See ? Now even Force is pissed with this game.

spyritwind

It's a fair complaint. He likes the game, but can't progress. He could pvp, or level an alt, but if this is something that isn't affecting many people then it could take several weeks (months?) before it's fixed. I could see people not subbing over this.

jimredtalon

spyritwind wrote: »

It's a fair complaint. He likes the game, but can't progress. He could pvp, or level an alt, but if this is something that isn't affecting many people then it could take several weeks (months?) before it's fixed. I could see people not subbing over this.

I see your point but the problems I have are with his attitude and behavior which sets the wrong example for the community. Also this time you and he claim it will take to fix is just speculation at this point making it a presumption that, since the game was released earlier this month, there is not enough patch and support history to base this claim on.

jmido8

I got stuck in Coldhabour for 3 days at level 50. The Army of Meridia quest had me following phantom quest markers forever. I finally managed to finish it but there was no way I would have if a guildie didn't come and show me where to go for everything since all my map markers were messed up for the quest. Even still, my quest kept bugging out and wouldn't update after I completed certain events in it and I had to abandon and restart like 20 times. It was the most frustrating experience ever and it lasted 3-4 days until I finally got it completed.

jimredtalon wrote: »

spyritwind wrote: »

It's a fair complaint. He likes the game, but can't progress. He could pvp, or level an alt, but if this is something that isn't affecting many people then it could take several weeks (months?) before it's fixed. I could see people not subbing over this.

I see your point but the problems I have are with his attitude and behavior which sets the wrong example for the community. Also this time you and he claim it will take to fix is just speculation at this point making it a presumption that, since the game was released earlier this month, there is not enough patch and support history to base this claim on.

No, things like this need to be voiced, otherwise it'll never change. I mean look at the effect of his video. This thread on the forums has over 200 comments and has probably already been noticed by Zenith.

jimredtalon

jmido8 wrote: »

I got stuck in Coldhabour for 3 days at level 50. The Army of Meridia quest had me following phantom quest markers forever. I finally managed to finish it but there was no way I would have if a guildie didn't come and show me where to go for everything since all my map markers were messed up for the quest. Even still, my quest kept bugging out and wouldn't update after I completed certain events in it and I had to abandon and restart like 20 times. It was the most frustrating experience ever and it lasted 3-4 days until I finally got it completed.

jimredtalon wrote: »

spyritwind wrote: »

It's a fair complaint. He likes the game, but can't progress. He could pvp, or level an alt, but if this is something that isn't affecting many people then it could take several weeks (months?) before it's fixed. I could see people not subbing over this.

I see your point but the problems I have are with his attitude and behavior which sets the wrong example for the community. Also this time you and he claim it will take to fix is just speculation at this point making it a presumption that, since the game was released earlier this month, there is not enough patch and support history to base this claim on.

No, things like this need to be voiced, otherwise it'll never change.

But you got to play, and you did it with a guild so it couldn't have been the worst thing or you would have not done it. Some times surviving these things with your guild mates, friends, or just strangers is part of the fun of being the first in a new MMO. Down the road when new player start coming in and all us Vets are still around we can tell the horror stories about TESO early days like so many are telling about other MMO's past. Its almost like a right of passage I think. I find it very interesting that you can give people a game with little or no point like minecraft or DayZ and may find very interesting stories all their own without the game telling them were to go or what to do.

Inactive Account

I'd have to say that I will like a game if I like it, or not like a game if I don't like it. I will never give up my own personal opinion because some random person has some sub base that follows them.

Drachenfier

Rolled a new Templar last night, got him to level 9 before I realized I don't even have the main quest. Prophet never appeared to me, I have no quest to go to the Harborage to kick the main story off. I have all three of the other classes, and on each one of those prophet appeared to give me the quest as soon as I dinged level 4.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

Force is not a professional.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

Force is not a professional.

adjective
adjective: professional

1.
of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
"young professional people"
synonyms: white-collar, nonmanual More
"people in professional occupations"
antonyms: blue-collar
2.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.

Oh really?

Fanboi's are so funny

Ragnar_Lodbrok

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

Force is not a professional.

adjective
adjective: professional

1.
of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
"young professional people"
synonyms: white-collar, nonmanual More
"people in professional occupations"
antonyms: blue-collar
2.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.

Oh really?

I would bet thats not his main source of income. If it is, a call to the IRS might see his "paycheck" shrink quite a bit.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

Force is not a professional.

adjective
adjective: professional

1.
of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
"young professional people"
synonyms: white-collar, nonmanual More
"people in professional occupations"
antonyms: blue-collar
2.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.

Oh really?

I would bet thats not his main source of income. If it is, a call to the IRS might see his "paycheck" shrink quite a bit.

You new to the internet?

Theres 100's of people that use youtube as a main source of income. They all state that it pays rather well once you start getting up in the 100's of thousands of subs.

Your comment is probably one of the funniest things I've ever read. Please continue.

crush83

There's no way he's making enough money off of his YouTube channel to support himself. Seriously. It sounds like you have no idea how much YouTube gives you for viewers because it's no where close to him making a decent living off of it. Maybe he's getting donations behind the scenes, or from a website, or something else as well, but certainly NOT from his YouTube channel alone. You get less than $.001 per unique viewer.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

crush83 wrote: »

There's no way he's making enough money off of his YouTube channel to support himself. Seriously. It sounds like you have no idea how much YouTube gives you for viewers because it's no where close to him making a decent living off of it. Maybe he's getting donations behind the scenes, or from a website, or something else as well, but certainly NOT from his YouTube channel alone.

Agreed only naive people would believe youtube/google will pay your bills.

Pretext

Hardly seen any bugs myself, but then I am not racing to top level.

The OP is Veteran rank 6. Read that again, Vet 6! So he has found some bugs, I am hardly surprised.

Its just as well there are some bugs to complain about or he would be asking "Where are my next 50 levels?"

drwoody44b14_ESO

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

There's no way he's making enough money off of his YouTube channel to support himself. Seriously. It sounds like you have no idea how much YouTube gives you for viewers because it's no where close to him making a decent living off of it. Maybe he's getting donations behind the scenes, or from a website, or something else as well, but certainly NOT from his YouTube channel alone.

Agreed only naive people would believe youtube/google will pay your bills.

http://newmediarockstars.com/2013/05/how-much-do-youtubers-make-the-top-20-earning-creators-adsense-salaries-revealed-infographic/

Come again?

zydrateanatomy

Some youtuber is angry? Alert the media.

crush83

Sure, there are YouTuber's who make a ton of money.

Force isn't making a ton of money ... yet. He's probably making about ~$35k a year judging by his views per video (~25k per video/month). Which, is a good living in some people's mind. Personally, I wouldn't call that a good living.

However, the good thing about YouTube videos is that once they are made, they are made, and you can continue getting hits on them forever. So, the more videos he makes, his earnings will only continue to grow.

So while, he's not making a ton of money now, he could easily get to a point where he could retire and have continuous income from YouTube.

He's had some extremely popular videos too. One with 2.2million views. One with 1.5 million views.

The thing is that YouTube doesn't pay you per view all the time. Most of the revenue comes from clicking adverts.

If you are extremely popular, which Force is getting that way, then you can start getting per view, but the rate is extremely low.

Aellikor

Who is Force? Ohhh a youtube person aha, well that tells it. ZOS better get on top of it! A Youtuber is complaining! Argghh!

What are they doing sitting on a Guar, twiddling their thumbs, ruminating about Kynareth's behind?

I can relate to Force, they spent all their patience. I can also relate to Force's frustration at support, often Support seems so disconnected from the customer. Telling them, "did you restart computer?" Or things of that nature... they should already know that line of help just pisses people off.

Although, I think ZOS has a major investment and interest in making ESO right. Bugs are being fixed as they get fixed. Feedback is taken into consideration and implemented where they can and where it makes sense in their grand scheme to do it. I cannot imagine anyone at ZOS having a chuckle about poor game experiences.

On to problem. I suspect as with quest problems I have had in ESO, it is related to phasing. Some combination of phased instances has caused his NPC to go POOF!

Since it is critical to progression I would first abandon all quests in my journal, all of them. Log out, close client, restart. Begin "broken" quest again.

Now I didn't hear he tried much beyond abandoning the one quest - so of course I might be wrong.

I think this would reset the phases and possibly clean up issue. Unless it is from a combination of completed quests that altered the instances... yikes!

I think phased questing is cool technology, but it also has a huge string of variables. I suppose its just hard to account for the possibilities.

Forgive if I am ignorant (quite possible) or if someone already suggested this.

crush83

An interesting link for some of you. It's quite ambiguous on how much money Force is actually making, but it makes it clear that he is making a decent bit of money. I'm not sure I'd call it a living:

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/ForceSC2Strategy

$2.3K - $19.4K
ESTIMATED MONTHLY EARNINGS

$27.9K - $232.4K
ESTIMATED YEARLY EARNINGS

I doubt he makes the upper end of that, but it all depends on his deal that YouTube partner has given him, which the details of that are undisclosed.

---

EDIT his partner is with RPM (http://www.rpmnetwork.com/) but I'm unable to find a lot of hard information on how much he gets paid per view. It doesn't sound good though, from what I've been reading. Somewhere around $1 per thousand views. He's had upwards of 3 million views total in the last 30 days though (which is +13% which is a substantial increase, so he's definitely getting more popular, and his video library is growing quickly since he's publishing a new video 2-3 times a day it seems). That works out to roughly $3.8k before taxes. Not terrible but still not a good living. $45k/yr before taxes. Of course, he has no benefits if he is self employed (unless he's paying for that from what he's making).

Here's another tidbit that you might not know. Views don't have to come from YouTube's site. There are many ways he can get views without them counting towards his pay for adverts. Apparently mobile views is also vastly underpaid. So in other words, I could be over-projecting what he's making by quite a bit.

The best thing to do would be try to get an official response from him on how much he's making, but he might not want to reveal that information *wink*.

Orizuru

BETAOPTICS wrote: »

The thing that bothers me is that the mission bugs should not have been any problem to begin with, yet the game is riddled with them and people seem to be fine about it. This is why we have server downtimes?

To fix the game we bought with money and that should have been in working condition in the first place on release. It is sad that a growing trend is to make and publish a bones of a game and then later on finishing it up at the expense of customers.

That is a ugly practice but at least ZoS is one of the more involved companies out there now so at least they are not the worst in the industry.

Bugs happen. Look at Windows XP. It was released more than 12 years ago and people are still finding and reporting bugs. Many corporations have invested millions of dollars with MS for the sole purpose of ensuring their businesses will continue to receive support from MS now that the product has gone End of Life.

While its frustrating to deal with, it's silly to complain. Report the bugs when you encounter them. Feel free to discuss them in the forums even, but the discussions should be focused on helping other players be aware of the bug, what causes it, and any known work-arounds. Coming to the forums to complain like a petulant child though really needs to stop, and that is what most of the bug threads are doing.

To expect any software manufacturer to release a completely bug-free program is a foolish notion though.

nimbli

We all know bugs exist and nobody is asking for bug free. From most posts I've read it seems most of us on forums are vet MMOers. The progression blocking bugs are too much. If CS tickets (which you get a tracking number for but are unable to track) were handled with the rapidity in which threads are shut down, a lot of issues could be fixed.

wrlifeboil

crush83 wrote: »

An interesting link for some of you. It's quite ambiguous on how much money Force is actually making, but it makes it clear that he is making a decent bit of money. I'm not sure I'd call it a living:

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/ForceSC2Strategy

$2.3K - $19.4K
ESTIMATED MONTHLY EARNINGS

$27.9K - $232.4K
ESTIMATED YEARLY EARNINGS

I doubt he makes the upper end of that, but it all depends on his deal that YouTube partner has given him, which the details of that are undisclosed.

---

EDIT his partner is with RPM (http://www.rpmnetwork.com/) but I'm unable to find a lot of hard information on how much he gets paid per view. It doesn't sound good though, from what I've been reading. Somewhere around $1 per thousand views. He's had upwards of 3 million views total in the last 30 days though (which is +13% which is a substantial increase, so he's definitely getting more popular, and his video library is growing quickly since he's publishing a new video 2-3 times a day it seems). That works out to roughly $3.8k before taxes. Not terrible but still not a good living. $45k/yr before taxes. Of course, he has no benefits if he is self employed (unless he's paying for that from what he's making).

Here's another tidbit that you might not know. Views don't have to come from YouTube's site. There are many ways he can get views without them counting towards his pay for adverts. Apparently mobile views is also vastly underpaid. So in other words, I could be over-projecting what he's making by quite a bit.

The best thing to do would be try to get an official response from him on how much he's making, but he might not want to reveal that information *wink*.

Good post. Many people who play video games, especially the older set (and they are around on the forums, go read the 'old farts' thread on this forum), don't realize how big business Youtube is and that thousands of Youtubers actually make decent livings from their videos. The pay structure is probably like what I imagine it is in the entertainment business where the top Youtubers with rock star status pull in the really big money and the pay curve falls fast after that. Something like the direction that the U.S. overall is headed where the top 1% of Americans now own more than 50% of the assets in the U.S.

Enfinityx

Regardless of what he makes, doesn't he state that he still enjoys the game but the bugs are ridiculous? You're paying 15 a month to not be able to play how you want due to bugs for at least a week or longer. I don't know why everybody is throwing a fit over him voicing bugs that are affecting not only him but others as well. If he didn't make a video, others would. If they don't want bad publicity they should just fix the bugs in a timely manner like they should be doing in the first place.

jimredtalon

wrlifeboil wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

An interesting link for some of you. It's quite ambiguous on how much money Force is actually making, but it makes it clear that he is making a decent bit of money. I'm not sure I'd call it a living:

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/ForceSC2Strategy

$2.3K - $19.4K
ESTIMATED MONTHLY EARNINGS

$27.9K - $232.4K
ESTIMATED YEARLY EARNINGS

I doubt he makes the upper end of that, but it all depends on his deal that YouTube partner has given him, which the details of that are undisclosed.

---

EDIT his partner is with RPM (http://www.rpmnetwork.com/) but I'm unable to find a lot of hard information on how much he gets paid per view. It doesn't sound good though, from what I've been reading. Somewhere around $1 per thousand views. He's had upwards of 3 million views total in the last 30 days though (which is +13% which is a substantial increase, so he's definitely getting more popular, and his video library is growing quickly since he's publishing a new video 2-3 times a day it seems). That works out to roughly $3.8k before taxes. Not terrible but still not a good living. $45k/yr before taxes. Of course, he has no benefits if he is self employed (unless he's paying for that from what he's making).

Here's another tidbit that you might not know. Views don't have to come from YouTube's site. There are many ways he can get views without them counting towards his pay for adverts. Apparently mobile views is also vastly underpaid. So in other words, I could be over-projecting what he's making by quite a bit.

The best thing to do would be try to get an official response from him on how much he's making, but he might not want to reveal that information *wink*.

Good post. Many people who play video games, especially the older set (and they are around on the forums, go read the 'old farts' thread on this forum), don't realize how big business Youtube is and that thousands of Youtubers actually make decent livings from their videos. The pay structure is probably like what I imagine it is in the entertainment business where the top Youtubers with rock star status pull in the really big money and the pay curve falls fast after that. Something like the direction that the U.S. overall is headed where the top 1% of Americans now own more than 50% of the assets in the U.S.

Old Farts unite. no wait thats a bad idea....
But your kinda right that its big business but more for youtube and less for youtubers. Unless they are super popular they don't make enough to pay for what they spent and still turn a great profit. But too many of these youtubers and their fans think this is all new stuff. I hate to say it but they aren't any different than the radio shock jocks of the 80s and 90s. Come on how many youtube personalities can you think of that remind you of Howard Stern.

wrlifeboil

jimredtalon wrote: »

Old Farts unite. no wait thats a bad idea....
But your kinda right that its big business but more for youtube and less for youtubers. Unless they are super popular they don't make enough to pay for what they spent and still turn a great profit. But too many of these youtubers and their fans think this is all new stuff. I hate to say it but they aren't any different than the radio shock jocks of the 80s and 90s. Come on how many youtube personalities can you think of that remind you of Howard Stern.

I want to know how much money Psy made from the 5 billion official and unofficial views of Gangnam Style on Youtube. :O

Aria

Who?

jimredtalon

Can you imagine how freaked out and pissed off all these people would be if they had to go back to playing a game on 20 floppies and DOS.

mowind

26,846 Hits on that video...someone is watching.

26,846x$15=$402,690.00 ....Zos should also be watching.

crush83

Just because people watch the video doesn't mean that they care what Force had to say, or agree with him. In fact, it's likely that a large majority aren't caring.

Furthermore, I'd be willing to bet a lot of people clicked the video just because it showed up in their subscribed feed. When they realized they didn't really care about it (after 20 seconds), they just closed the window.

So trying to say that all 26,846 hits are considering unsubscribing is absolutely, positively ridiculous.

mowind

Whatever you say man...

crush83

mowind wrote: »

Whatever you say man...

So you're saying that you agree with every YouTube video you've ever watched, and that you always watch the entire video?