See ? Now even Force is pissed with this game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

aegis156 wrote: »

FayaSDL wrote: »

So what you basically say is he is important?
Go by this, then come again why this one person should be more important then everyone else on this forum.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

I understand he is making a more professional "post" about the bug TESO is, but there it ends.

Because his Point of view and opinions are seen by 350 thousand people. How many people do you influence?

Id doubt 10% of his supposed subbers actually saw the video.

aegis156

crush83 wrote: »

We're not "bashing on force". We're bashing on the idiots who follow force as if he is a deity. That fact that you think he's a "somebody" is quite funny. He's only a "somebody" in your relatively small circle. This is clearly evidenced by the overwhelming majority of gamers who have mentioned that they have no idea who "force" is.

So again. No one is bashing against force (except a very small number of idiots). We are bashing people like you who hold this guy's opinion above another's, and act as though his clout is so great that he matters more to Zenimax than the voices of thousands of casual gamers who are equally paying their bills.

I would say there is a difference between people who play a game and actual Gamers. Force is a source of information. While you may claim it all as his opinion, video archives are hard to dispute. Like everything there is your side my side and the truth which lies some where in the middle.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

aegis156 wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

We're not "bashing on force". We're bashing on the idiots who follow force as if he is a deity. That fact that you think he's a "somebody" is quite funny. He's only a "somebody" in your relatively small circle. This is clearly evidenced by the overwhelming majority of gamers who have mentioned that they have no idea who "force" is.

So again. No one is bashing against force (except a very small number of idiots). We are bashing people like you who hold this guy's opinion above another's, and act as though his clout is so great that he matters more to Zenimax than the voices of thousands of casual gamers who are equally paying their bills.

I would say there is a difference between people who play a game and actual Gamers. Force is a source of information. While you may claim it all as his opinion, video archives are hard to dispute. Like everything there is your side my side and the truth which lies some where in the middle.

Source of info?\
He is no source of information.
He is a source of opinion. And as we all know opinions and *** are the same, everyone has one and they all stink.

Shimond

aegis156 wrote: »

Because his Point of view and opinions are seen by 350 thousand people. How many people do you influence?

lol what is this guy, a 'force' of nature? Please, he isn't "influencing" even half the people that subscribe to him. We only have one person this entire thread who admits that this guy caused him to buy the game.

aegis156

Extremely limited thought processes I see. Yes he voices opinions and shows game play, in game examples of the game world, combat model. There is a plethora of information if you actually think rather than just react.

I will admit that his videos helped in my decision to buy the game, not his opinion but the examples of the game and its system he showed.

Shimond

aegis156 wrote: »

I will admit that his videos helped in my decision to buy the game, not his opinion but the examples of the game and its system he showed.

Very well, I concede defeat. He's now influenced two people thus far.

Truly a media mogul, this Force.

Leesha

Who?!?! Just because some morons are self proclaimed "professional youtubers" doesn't make their opinions matter more.

If you enjoy the game, play it. If not, stop. Most of us couldn't care less about these people you mentioned or their opinions.

aegis156

I'll keep my "opinions" of your critical thinking skills and intellectual capacity to myself since it will probably get me warned for not playing nice again.

Orizuru

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I love how all the irrelevant people in the forums bash on force.

The simple fact is , he is well know enough , that he got 350k subs in his channel , he is well know enough , that he was called to the closed beta server and managed to make videos about the veteran ranks before the game was even out, he well know enough , that i bet the devs will fix HIS problems before fixing the problems other threads here got.

He might not be TB , but he is still somebody in the gaming industry , while i can bet most if not all here are nobody.

I doubt any threads in the Player Helping Players forums will ever contribute in any way to the priority ZOS gives bugs.

This entire thread is really just a big rant using a popular youTube channel as a form of support for an argument that was made in the wrong place.

While the issue does need to be fixed, this thread is fairly meaningless and highly unlikely to contribute anything of value beyond giving people a place to vent.

Lalai

So.. the video has some good points and all, but I hardly see Force calling for people to not get the game, nor complaining that the game hasn't been fun overall... or even saying straight up that he's not gonna sub anymore (admittedly I didn't watch the whole thing cause.. spoilers). From other videos though, guy seems more level headed than the fear mongering "fix this now or F2P incoming!" crowd. In fact, if I were to watch the guy's channel, I would actually want to give the game a try as he's had a ton more good to say about it than bad, and I do take that kind of stuff into account. One rant video is not condemning to the game, nor do I think Force meant it that way.

ESO has some pretty big issues. Luckily those issues seem to be happening for only a small percentage of the player base (500 players, or even 1000 getting a bug is a big number to us, and looks gigantic on the forums, but is actually a very small percentage of the total player base). The good thing is that means a majority of people don't hit the major ones, the bad thing is from a developer standpoint the bugs are a lot harder to isolate, replicate, and then fix. That isn't to say the bugs shouldn't be fixed, or that the bugs don't suck.. but it's a launch thing, and they're working on it.

MMOs do recover from horrific launches. Yes, SWTOR failed, but it wasn't cause of a bad launch. FFXIV still has strong sub numbers according to the game director and people literally couldn't even play that for at least a week after it was released (they locked character creation on all servers and halted digital sales). FFXIV even had an issue where players were getting their banks robbed while in the main cities.. and they've consistently done at least two "emergency maintenances" a week since launch.. with very few weeks having only one.

Bugs during launch are not the reason MMOs fail. If those bugs go unaddressed for months.. yeah, they can be a reason, however ESO seems to be patching quests okay, starting with the lower ones that most people are hitting first.. and the number of quests I can complete is waaaay better than it was in beta (personally I've only had problems with around 6 so far, I'm level 34 now), so there was definitely improvement from beta to launch.

TL;DR Bad on the OP for trying to turn a level-headed Youtube game reviewer into the omen of F2P-ness, and attempting to fear monger.

xshadowclawzz12

I agree with force. He also made that video on dungeon trolls and I completly agree with that too. Let this video be known so that zenimax can fix this issue for other people as well.

siegbjam

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

Kingslayer

Drone drone drone all mmos have had their fair share of bugs at launch its how fast they fix them which makes a difference. So far they seem to be on top of it. I've seen Plenty of Gm's in game hanging round coldharbor and places like that. People need to stop being so melodramatic. The bug he means is not widespread i know that much

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

Angry Joe has got nothing to say that I am interested in hearing. Ans sick of the sight of him. As for Force, yes he is brilliant and in fact most of my knowledge of this game came from him. I do think the type of exposure he can bring will help in the long term.

but please your F2P comment is stupid, like really stupid. Its like "OMG this game is soooooo bad and lame, its worst game ever, it will be in the $5 section in a week". Its amazing just seeing that F2P immediately made me dismiss everything else you wrote. Yes this game has some nasty problems at the moment, like all MMO's. Making the game go F2P will just make these type of problems last longer. here in the real world you get nothing for nothing.

kemp.garretub17_ESO1

This game is not as buggy as people say. Also stop overreacting to a reviewers.

jimredtalon

Etchesketch wrote: »

Hakuichi wrote: »

Ahh one of the thousands of internet personalities you kids watch these days? Meh.

P.S. Can you explain "professional game reviewer"?

Surely.

It means he has a boat load of viewers and gets paid in a couple of ways. Advertising on his channel, sponsorships.. whatever.

He has 350k +subscribers which is MORE than any show on msnbc or cnn have viewers.

That's what it means and ZoS would be even dumber than they already appear if they don't see the problem.

Pretending to not know, or actually not knowing the impact of youtube vids is sooooo ten years ago.

Your argument has some flaws there buddy.

Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of August, 2013)

CNN/HLN: 99.292 million HHs

CNBC: 96.242 million HHs

FNC: 97.186 million HHs

MSNBC: 94.519 million HHs

Fox Business: 75.501 million HHs

Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2014 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

that really was one of the most unsubtle tirades I have heard, I immediately lost all the respect I had for Force. Yes it is an issue and yes it needs to be fix but his impersonation of the GM's was awful and rude, they are human beings to doing a job, they aren't game changing devs, as for his poor friend who quit, some people really should play MMO's at launch. Wait a few weeks until the humans beings abilities to fix things can match the unreal expectations in your head.

wrlifeboil

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

jimredtalon

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

I want to make this clear that I am not trying to single you out but your the last one I saw making this kinda post so...

All other things aside about the game the problem I have with this is the fact that there are those that think he is a professional. But I ask you do you really believe that this kind of behavior is what you would call acting like a professional. For example would it be acceptable for one of the Zenimax CS representatives to act like that and use that tone when replying to your complaints. I think not because they are supposed to be professionals. So I can in no way take his opinion seriously since he is being very unprofessional and childish.

circilion

I just can't believe Force has that many viewers...

How can I be awesome like that guy!!!

Makkir

Ventroff wrote: »

He says he could go PVP but that is a roll of the dice also. He could end up like me unable to access my main character because the game won't load and just stuck in loading screen for three days. I was hoping the maintenance today would fix it but just tried logging in and turned the game off after waiting 15 minutes for nothing to happen.

Did you ever consider it was your computer being the rest of us are able to log in and play?

Makkir

Don't you kiddos think the lack of breadcrumbs make the game a bit more challenging? EZ Mode is over at Blizzard if that style suits you. Personally, I feel more immersed and challenged when I spent my 2 hours of play time only finishing a couple quests instead of making it a grind. Stop complaining already or I will craft you a box of tissues.

wrlifeboil

jimredtalon wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

I want to make this clear that I am not trying to single you out but your the last one I saw making this kinda post so...

All other things aside about the game the problem I have with this is the fact that there are those that think he is a professional. But I ask you do you really believe that this kind of behavior is what you would call acting like a professional. For example would it be acceptable for one of the Zenimax CS representatives to act like that and use that tone when replying to your complaints. I think not because they are supposed to be professionals. So I can in no way take his opinion seriously since he is being very unprofessional and childish.

He has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. What he does on Youtube is his profession. He gets paid real money. Thus, he is a professional. He has been throwing in more Francis-like attitude lately. All he needs is to wheeze more and break a few keyboards. Show biz, right?

jimredtalon

wrlifeboil wrote: »

jimredtalon wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

siegbjam wrote: »

Do we really need a 10 min video complaining about this blocked quest line. He said the same thing over and over. And to worry that the game will be doomed because this guy has this issue, please. Most players can't get 6 days of game time in the first 2 weeks of launch. The bugs will get worked out. Leave if you want. I'll have to read less whining in these forums

It's almost at that point where the professional reviewers like Force start moving on to their next project anyway. They usually stick around for a month after launch then it's sayonara and go to the next game to review (it's almost time for the closed beta of Warlords of Draenor).

All kidding aside, any broken quest line especially one which is required to get into another zone or phase of the game can be very frustrating.

I want to make this clear that I am not trying to single you out but your the last one I saw making this kinda post so...

All other things aside about the game the problem I have with this is the fact that there are those that think he is a professional. But I ask you do you really believe that this kind of behavior is what you would call acting like a professional. For example would it be acceptable for one of the Zenimax CS representatives to act like that and use that tone when replying to your complaints. I think not because they are supposed to be professionals. So I can in no way take his opinion seriously since he is being very unprofessional and childish.

He has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. What he does on Youtube is his profession. He gets paid real money. Thus, he is a professional. He has been throwing in more Francis-like attitude lately. All he needs is to wheeze more and break a few keyboards. Show biz, right?

So your saying he is a professional actor or show person. This I can accept but I never take the opinions of that kind of professional seriously any way.
So your arguing semantics at this point I think.

Dolenz

I just watched the video. I have not read the whole thread.

Yes, progress stopping quests suck. No argument here.

But hitting those bugs and being stuck for multiple days may be the price you pay for being on the leading edge of the leveling curve and being some of the first people to stumble upon the bugs. You are blazing the trail for everyone else.

It still sucks either way.

Makkir

I hope the ones complaining about bugs are submitting reports.

BETAOPTICS

The thing that bothers me is that the mission bugs should not have been any problem to begin with, yet the game is riddled with them and people seem to be fine about it. This is why we have server downtimes?

To fix the game we bought with money and that should have been in working condition in the first place on release. It is sad that a growing trend is to make and publish a bones of a game and then later on finishing it up at the expense of customers.

That is a ugly practice but at least ZoS is one of the more involved companies out there now so at least they are not the worst in the industry.

Morthur

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jimredtalon

Morthur wrote: »

Funny how the fanboi army always jumps in on these threads to try and defend the dismal quality of their oh-so-beloved franchise... You'd actually expect real fans to welcome criticism in the hopes of allowing their beloved franchise to actually thrive but seemingly all criticism is simply evil and groundless.

Such as simple world view must be extremely comforting on those cold lonely evenings.

There is a difference between criticism and constructive criticism, one is used to simply make yourself feel better and the other used to make other around you better. Why don't you try using the later and see how quick the game and the community improves. Oh and part of getting people to listen is being respectful, no one likes being talk down to so when you do that people have a tendency to either tune you out or get emotional. I am not saying your in the wrong just that we should keep the fighting and such in the game and keep it out of the forums.

rager82b14_ESO

I don't care about Force, but he makes a good point. If any one does not agree with it..well that is them, Most of us are tired of main story line quests not getting hot fix faster.

Blizzard got it right, You need two patch teams for future content two patches ahead, and a team that works on bugs. I bet you they only have one team going <.< reason it is taking so damn long to fix stuff.