Upcoming Patch Highlights & In-Progress Updates

  • FezzikVizzini
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    Pre Tuesday patch: Grr..... Those damn boss farmers.... I can't get a kill.
    Patch Announced : Great ! I will be able to kill bosses.
    Post Patch: Dear CS. How come I can't kill a public dungeon boss even though I have never been in that dungeon ?

    I will believe it when I see it. Personally I would not trust these guys to time an egg.
    Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.
  • Devilfish85
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    Just yesterday, I finally let things get to me and joined in the chorus of people complaining about an infrequency of fixes and updates, after I'd otherwise maintained a positive attitude. This new patch/in progress patch not only addresses almost everything I consider an issue with the solo game in some way, if not always MY way... but it shows Zenimax's willingness to take our often-over-the-top feedback seriously. I wish I had held my tongue one more day, so I wouldn't have to write this now. Thanks for the massive upgrade/update, Zenimax team. Sorry I doubted you.
    Edited by Devilfish85 on April 15, 2014 1:23AM
  • megrampsrwb17_ESO
    What about fixing the access code so I can resub please.
  • Falassion
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    They should just make public dungeons a daily drop or unique item. :) That would fix botters and gold farmers.
  • Targanwolf
    We need to be able to ignore gold spammers a lot faster.ACTION to eliminate them needs to be more aggressive.
  • Monsoon
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    Thanks for the small update but you guys are aware that the MAC client is unusable in Cyrodill for more than 5 minutes right? Looking at the mac tech support and you will see that the whole forum is filled with crash reports. 50% of the game is not playable for us. It has been a week I have been unable to go to Cyrodill...which is why I bought the game

    ETA on memory leak fix?
  • shaun101ab14_ESO
    I think the biggest probably with Public Dungeon Bosses is that fact that they melt in seconds when a handful of people are fighting it. Instead of putting a timer on them, make their health scale depending on the number of people around, that way there is an actual fight and people can get their needed hits in.
  • awkwarrd
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    100% appreciate the communication efforts :smiley:
  • derpmonster
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    Rothguard wrote: »
    Thank you for fixing the boss's in public dungeons. I requested this back in beta and I don't care who you *** off doing this! It's way too easy of a gold farm.

    So in your mind the solution to them being easy is to make people not want to bother with them at all?

    Instead of increasing how difficult they are to kill? If there are 20 people around waiting to kill a boss it should spawn with 120k hp and 1 shot anyone who is not specced as a tank backed by a healer.

    Putting a loot timer on them is an absolutely lazy way of "fixing" the problem that is only going to make the game worse than it was before the fix. And it doesn't even fix the problem. If 5 people are near the boss it's still going to die instantly as it spawns. It's still going to be hard to get credit for it. So in the end this fix isn't a fix at all.

    Edited by derpmonster on April 15, 2014 1:50AM
  • byghostlightrwb17_ESO
    I think the biggest probably with Public Dungeon Bosses is that fact that they melt in seconds when a handful of people are fighting it. Instead of putting a timer on them, make their health scale depending on the number of people around, that way there is an actual fight and people can get their needed hits in.

    then the gold sellers will just hire more farmers and we will see even bigger crowds than we do now. My idea of a good time fighting a boss is not to get one or two swings in, just enough to get loot. Adding more hitpoints just magnifies the problem. They have to find a way to make farmer/camping an unattractive and unsuccessful operation. If it means i can only kill the boss once an hour or something, then so be it, at least that one time will be fun and not frustrating.
  • nudel
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    That language is a little fuzzy. Since it states 'public dungeons and delves', I'm interpreting 'delves' as any dungeon that is
    -- not instanced
    -- has a non-quest achievement boss
    -- is not topside
    I would really love to be wrong about my interpretation of 'delves' here. If not, then this is more of a nerf on legitimate players than bots. Let's say the timer is 20 minutes...hell even 15. I can easily reach another dungeon in less time without even quick traveling. Since this timer is universal, I could come to the end of a second dungeon and be unable to complete it b/c my timer isn't up yet from the first.

    To all those praising this change, this isn't honestly going to curb botting. If anything, it makes botting the only means of reliably getting the boss' named loot. The harder you make it to get something through the normal course of play the more likely people will cheat the system to get it. If normal players don't have a hope of getting rare tempers/ tannins from their own drops, they will instead turn to buying gold from the goldsellers and using it to buy the tempers/ tannins from the botters. If anything this is a boon to goldsellers and botters.

    I'm all for making each named boss loot unique so you can only pick up one from each boss. That would at least still allow you to kill other bosses afterwards without having nothing to show for it. Also botters would be unable to get that rare loot from the boss b/c they could only pick up one. But this change. Honestly, no matter how long the timer, it's not gonna put a dent in botting. And if it's any longer than 5 minutes, it's punishing legitimate players.
  • derpmonster
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    Verranicus wrote: »
    Rothguard wrote: »
    Thank you for fixing the boss's in public dungeons. I requested this back in beta and I don't care who you *** off doing this! It's way too easy of a gold farm.

    So in your mind the solution to them being easy is to make people not want to bother with them at all?

    Instead of increasing how difficult they are to kill? If there are 20 people around waiting to kill a boss it should spawn with 120k hp and 1 shot anyone who is not specced as a tank backed by a healer.

    Putting a loot timer on them is an absolutely lazy way of "fixing" the problem that is only going to make the game worse than it was before the fix. And it doesn't even fix the problem. If 5 people are near the boss it's still going to die instantly as it spawns. It's still going to be hard to get credit for it. So in the end this fix isn't a fix at all.

    Farmer spotted.

    You might think that and you'd be wrong. Farming in an mmo is just about the most un fun thing I can imagine a person can choose to do.

    It's exactly the opposite. I've sat at a boss TRYING to get kill credit only to see it disappear almost instantly as it spawns because they have 0 scaling. It's not the only place where this is an issue. Lets be real, any place the public has access to in random numbers needs to have scaling, right now they don't and it makes these places trivial.

    Why should I care about a timer when I can't even get kill credit? The fix does not fix the thing people are complaining about.

    But sure. Go on assuming things and go ahead and keep being wrong. I'm sure it works out great for you.
    Edited by derpmonster on April 15, 2014 2:00AM
  • Aenima_pt
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    Good to see the changes, especially the new chest system for group dungeons.

    But the timmer for public dungeons is just hurting the real players and does not solve the problem of the bots camping the bosses. No matter what is the timer the bots will remain there, the only ones hurted are the real players that now have one less spot to farm, for those that like to farm.

    What ZOS needs to do is placing a GM patrolling the dungeons and see whos botting and whos not, and ban them on the spot.
    Edited by Aenima_pt on April 15, 2014 2:04AM
  • Korusus
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    Lets be real, any place the public has access to in random numbers needs to have scaling, right now they don't and it makes these places trivial.

    Agreed. I still think the bosses need a timer, but that alone won't fix the problem when the real problem is how quickly these bosses die when just a few people are around, let alone with a room full of farmers and bots (whether that is legitimate or not, obviously the developers did not develop their game with the intention of players camping a boss spawn for drops every 2 minutes).

  • Glissando
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    "Missing Bank Slots, Stored Bank Items, and Skill Points – We're continuing to investigate the issue, and are working on a fix now. As soon as the fix is ready, we will push it out to the live megaservers. Please note: This may result in a second maintenance this week and when we do push the fix, it will not be retroactive. Know that we want to make this right for all impacted—we’re still exploring options to help those who have stored items/gold, and bank slots go missing."

    What does "retroactive" mean in this case? Can someone please explain?
  • MasterSpatula
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    Timers on loot? Timers? Yet another attempt to avoid hiring some GMs and therefore meeting the very barest minimum levels of customer service.

    congrats for missing all the other good stuff they are doing, to concentrate on the one you don't like. More customer service help isnt always the answer: greater systems, greater pools of intelligence to consult (which can only come from time) and a more human approach, would all be better than just increasing the amount.

    Oh, horse-hockey! I gave the original post itself an "awesome," because, for the most part, it was. I only typed a reply to one of the two things that are huge problems (The other one is that we're not getting our bank slots and gold back if we lost them. They say they're working on something to give us. I hold out hope for something equitable.)

    I don't have a problem with the timers per se. I have a problem with using them as a stop-gap, simple patch for a complex problem.

    They're trying to use software to do a person's job. Spammers and exploiters are humans. Software can only do exactly what it's told. Humans are clever and creative and devious. Create a game-mechanic to thwart humans; humans will find a workaround.

    The only thing that works against people is people. Human beings with creativity, perception, and judgment. You have to deal with exploiters at the moment of the exploit, not in big batch bans every week or two. Not by getting players to use up their 100 ignores in two weeks. By putting human being in the game to deal with the situation as it is happening.

    You say more Game Masters isn't the answer. I've seen no evidence that there are any GMs at all. They aren't there, and the spammers and exploiters know it.

    I'm not a black-and-white kind of guy, but sometimes a situation comes up that's black and white. ZOE either puts judges into the game and earns $15/month from us, or they do not put judges into the game and do not earn that $15.
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • andrantos
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    See lots of good things in these patch notes.

    I imagine some players will not like the bit about boss mobs and loot - but I think it's a step in the right direction. A change like this will most likely be iterative because it'll either be too much of a nerf or not enough. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

    I really do like the bit about chests in instanced dungeons. The only group I've been in had one player spending more time hunting down the chests than actually contributing to the group - so I'm glad to see this change (all for one, and one for all!)
  • Shinoe
    Shinoe
    I hope the quests "Messages Across Tamriel" and "Motes in the Moonlight" make it to the patch tomorrow...
  • Dallie
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    Frough wrote: »
    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    Missing Bank Slots, Stored Bank Items, and Skill Points – We're continuing to investigate the issue, and are working on a fix now. As soon as the fix is ready, we will push it out to the live megaservers. Please note: This may result in a second maintenance this week and when we do push the fix, it will not be retroactive. Know that we want to make this right for all impacted—we’re still exploring options to help those who have stored items/gold, and bank slots go missing.

    If you don't provide me with everything I had previously you will lose my subscription. You already promised we'd get everything back, here, let me refresh your memory:
    Tweek wrote: »
    If they're not needed then how are they getting there things back...the answer is they never will get them back..will they?

    We look at character data and history, and are able to see when things were purchased, sold, deleted, etc.

    I expect a full return of all items or a free 6 months of game time. That will be about the only thing keeping me from cancelling.


    Everything here I second. These were your exact words, and near exact words from the email replies I received. The only thing I might caveat is that a month of game time free, plus the money I lost from the slots and deposited gold returned to me immediately is borderline sufficient. You really should go a bit above and beyond on this, and the skill resets, it has set a poor standard of trust and brand quality already.
    Edited by Dallie on April 15, 2014 2:21AM
  • pjwrwb17_ESO
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    Any chance of:

    1. Text filter on Guild Stores
    2. Inventory manipulation between characters more easily? eg. Mail-to-self?
    3. Bags (or similar) for ingredients and runes?

    Also...just for clarification: are we talking a timer on the named bosses in public 'dungeons' like Dell's Claim etc? If so, great, so long as we can loot it a couple of times.

    Finally, account-wide across all bosses...does that mean each character on my account shares one timer across all bosses? Or that each character/boss combination has its own timer?
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