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ES game that is not truly an ES game
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✭cliveklgb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »
It's an opinion, there's nothing to prove or to invalidate
No it isn't. When someone like the OP says you can't explore the whole world with one character and you actually can, that isn't opinion that correction is a fact.
When someone says the past systems didn't have class definitions when they did, the second isn't opinion it is fact.
But I didn't say these things. I expressed my disappointment without saying those things.
Yet, your comment was directed towards me, as indicated by you quoting me in your response.0 -
repflope✭
Perhaps in the future when I can press skip for the first 50 levels.. Thats what will happen to ESO anyway that has happened to ever other "generic mmorpg" that the old content has been ruined by the changes. So perhaps in few years when the bugs have been fixed and when I can skip the levels.you arent tubed.. just to mention it. It is just your level. And you can discover it all: at the end you will get an 1st quest for an other possible reality. Do it please.
/edit: dont forget the dungeons which you have to manual discover(no no group instances.. the open world ones).
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Atreidus✭✭✭you never can skip here
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/edit: Like i wrote: i am at this possible reality already. Veteran stuff.Edited by Atreidus on April 21, 2014 4:04AM1 -
albinokitten✭✭✭All your alts will be the same/have the same fate. There is no role play side to this game because we have no options for different dialog.
On top of that, if I wanted to do the other factions story lines then I would have rolled that faction. I no longer wish to try out Daggarfall after going through the same quests on my AD.
The replay value has fallen a bit for these decisions.2 -
repflope✭you never can skip here.
/edit: Like i wrote: i am at this possible reality already. Veteran stuff.
As the previous posters have stated before me its "generic MMORPG" when the first expansions come out there is a pressure to get those players to the level of the expansion. Pretty many thing can be estimated for ESO since it copied level caps from WOW and features from other games. if the expansion content is 50+ level then the players have to be quickly made 50+ or they don't share the content.. It will happen when time passes.0 -
Dominulf✭✭✭You're all forgetting one important thing: This is a MMORPG.
An MMORPG that plays like a very linear, poorly made single player game that requires no interaction with others unless you need to party for the very few instance dungeons even available.
The Elder Scrolls Online - Where the best spells are AoEs and the strongest weapon is a Shield!
"I used to be the most beloved roleplaying series of a generation... but then I took $14.99/mo to the knee."1 -
selisa86✭✭@repflope - If you can't lighten your expectations and enjoy the game for what it is instead of lamenting what it is not, then I suggest you move on. Sorry for sounding harsh, but there is really no point in complaining about it on the forum. The game developers can't please everyone - they went in a different direction and tried something new, so if you're just looking for sympathy - well, it's unlikely it will be overflowing here.
The game is what you make of it.
(This is the customer support area of the forum - "Find assistance for in-game and technical problems." They aren't going to rewrite the entire game, scrap the alliance war or lift the class system simply because you a/o other fans feel it doesn't follow with TES franchise down to the letter. That is a matter of opinion. They needed to make changes in an attempt to balance the game as it is no longer singleplayer - so balance will be quintessential. Whether they attain it or not will remain to be seen. But all of these elements are already set in stone and the very system the game is built on).Edited by selisa86 on April 21, 2014 5:08AM0 -
repflope✭@repflope - If you can't lighten your expectations and enjoy the game for what it is instead of lamenting what it is not, then I suggest you move on. There is really no point in complaining about it on the forum. The game developers can't please everyone - they went in a different direction and tried something new, so if you're just looking for sympathy - well, it's unlikely it will be overflowing here. The game is what you make of it.
This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new. They went and copied every gliche from mmorpg genre. That is not new but something that more experienced players already got from other games.
I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
As you can already read from the post itself and the replies there are people that have mutual feelings with me. With answers that are not troll made. So there is reason that Zenimax employees and also Bethesda should keep eye on this thread. Because its about what people did not like about the game. It might help either make this game better or the next elderscroll online better which might not be made by Zenimax.
Constructive critisism should be embraced not shunned.0 -
Moobs✭✭✭Everyone was warned from the beginning that this won't be skyrim online. Should have done some research.0 -
Mizumi✭
From that all i understand is you bought something you knew you disliked, wich i dont get, or you bought something without knowing what it was, wich i dont get either.This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new. They went and copied every gliche from mmorpg genre. That is not new but something that more experienced players already got from other games.
I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
You have unrealistic expectations that stop you from enjoying the game for what it is, and that will most likely happen with most games.
Here im just happy the pvp is close to daoc (no 8vs8 tho,meh).
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repflope✭
Its "elderscrolls online" not "anchor online". People should be able to expect that this game was brought to players with same devotion and love as other TES games. I feel that is it not.Everyone was warned from the beginning that this won't be skyrim online. Should have done some research.
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repflope✭
From that all i understand is you bought something you knew you disliked, wich i dont get, or you bought something without knowing what it was, wich i dont get either.This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new. They went and copied every gliche from mmorpg genre. That is not new but something that more experienced players already got from other games.
I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
You have unrealistic expectations that stop you from enjoying the game for what it is, and that will most likely happen with most games.
Here im just happy the pvp is close to daoc (no 8vs8 tho,meh).
Sorry Mizumi but vanilla UO was game design wise probably more close to TES online that ESO ever is. It had open world, classeless system.. It was released 1997 way way before ESO. Sure it had open world pvp back then that did not fit every player and they introduced trammel that broke the economy and so. UO is different topic on its own but when you say "unrealistic expectations" sorry they were already made at 1997 with smaller team probably than ESO today.
There are dozens of people going on about "unrealistic expectations" this is really sad because those things I listed in the post HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER GAMES. So who is wrong is you not me.Edited by repflope on April 21, 2014 5:23AM0 -
selisa86✭✭
Yes they did. They tried something new for them in The Elder Scrolls series. They have not made an MMORPG before. It all depends on perspective, friend. When you move into a new arena - things change.This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new.
I didn't say you don't have a right to post on the forum. I said that your post is not a real customer support/technical issue. You can post it, but it is an opinion/discussion post.I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
I'm not trying to troll you. You have every right to your opinion. That being said, I don't think your opinion will change their minds. Bethesda seems to me to be very set in their ways. When they want to implement a certain system or gameplay style - they seem to stick with it, whether the players love it or hate it. Many TES games have annoying little quirks that players modded out. You can say to them, "YOU DID IT ALL WRONG!" but I'm sure they reserve the right to disagree with you.As you can already read from the post itself and the replies there are people that have mutual feelings with me. With answers that are not troll made. So there is reason that Zenimax employees and also Bethesda should keep eye on this thread. Because its about what people did not like about the game. It might help either make this game better or the next elderscroll online better which might not be made by Zenimax.Edited by selisa86 on April 21, 2014 5:31AM0 -
Mizumi✭
From that all i understand is you bought something you knew you disliked, wich i dont get, or you bought something without knowing what it was, wich i dont get either.This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new. They went and copied every gliche from mmorpg genre. That is not new but something that more experienced players already got from other games.
I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
You have unrealistic expectations that stop you from enjoying the game for what it is, and that will most likely happen with most games.
Here im just happy the pvp is close to daoc (no 8vs8 tho,meh).
Sorry Mizumi but vanilla UO was game design wise probably more close to TES online that ESO ever is. It had open world, classeless system.. It was released 1997 way way before ESO. Sure it had open world pvp back then that did not fit every player and they introduced trammel that broke the economy and so. UO is different topic on its own but when you say "unrealistic expectations" sorry they were already made at 1997 with smaller team probably than ESO today.
There are dozens of people going on about "unrealistic expectations" this is really sad because those things I listed in the post HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER GAMES. So who is false is you not me.
Its not the same, and comparing UO, wich was an isometric, sprite based game that ran on 128mb of ram to a game thats using a megaserver with god knows how many instances in it is kind of silly.
Thats not even why i labeled your expectations as unrealistic, but instead, because expecting TESO to be like UO, and like WoW, and like Daoc, and like super mario bros will inevitably dissapoint you in the end. TESO is TESO, and thats it, enjoy it for what it is, or dont, its up to you.0 -
repflope✭Yes they did. They tried something new for them in The Elder Scrolls series. They have not made an MMORPG before. It all depends on perspective, friend. When you move into a new arena - things change.
MMORPG wise ESO does not bring anything new. My hopes for ESO was that even some innovation had brought into the genre from RPG game that was so original and different and this game even its not bad one. Was big let down when you expect "TES" name to carry that devotion and love for the game as the single player games had. ESO in generic MMORPG that is nothing new. Sure for "TES" brand it is yes but its big misfire.
I thought I did mention already in the post that there is not proper place for such post in this god forsaken forum! There is general discussion but you can't post under it only its sub categories that don't match the topic. You cannot post to developer discussion either.I didn't say you don't have a right to post on the forum. I said that your post is not a customer support/technical issue.
This forum thread is about feedback to Zenimax. I could not figure better forum for it. I wanted a developer comment that was more than "unrealistic expectation" or "this is not skyrim online". I understand that Zenimax is busy fixing issues but this is survey that was not asked when I cancelled my subscription as usually is done in MMORPG games. When you can turn into better forum go ahead please.
Its already pointed in dozen of other posts as well that ESO does not have proper forum and categories. I see french and german forums even I have english selected. Why? Why there are not proper categories in the forums? You copied design from other MMORPG is it SO difficult to copy the forum boards as well?
If you read my post over you can see that I have also given positive feedback not only bad. I also did not say many things about the bugs because the board is already full of that. So I am not saying that "YOU DID IT ALL WRONG!" I am saying "YOU DID PLENTY OF THINGS WRONG!"I'm not trying to troll you. You have every right to your opinion. That being said, I don't think your opinion will change their minds. Bethesda seems to me to be very set in their ways. When they want to implement a certain system or gameplay style - they seem to stick with it, whether the players love it or hate it. Many TES games have annoying little quirks that players modded out. You can say to them, "YOU DID IT ALL WRONG!" But I'm sure they reserve the right to disagree with you.
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repflope✭Its not the same, and comparing UO, wich was an isometric, sprite based game that ran on 128mb of ram to a game thats using a megaserver with god knows how many instances in it is kind of silly.
Thats not even why i labeled your expectations as unrealistic, but instead, because expecting TESO to be like UO, and like WoW, and like Daoc, and like super mario bros will inevitably dissapoint you in the end. TESO is TESO, and thats it, enjoy it for what it is, or dont, its up to you.
That 128mb ram isometric game was really popular.. And was one of the first games starting this MMORPG mumbo jumbo. To refer to UO I simply state that some things already existed back in 1997. That things have been done with less money. Yes todays standards are different and you need to need to consider todays standards.
Now ESO copies designs from many games and implements some of those features worse than the games they were copied from.. THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO.
Edited by repflope on April 21, 2014 6:57AM0 -
Nightstrider wrote: »Had to log in and post. ESO *IS* an ES game, period. What makes ANY of the previous games Elder Scrolls games? The Lore, pretty much. This game is FULL of ES Lore. Every region is represented, the names and people you've read about, the deadra, the nine, even the mystic artifacts which have been in all of the games are still here in this one. There is more freedom to explore this game than Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind, PUT TOGETHER. Seriously... these lands and MORE are in ESO.
All other elder scrolls games I could feel the love and care devoted to those games. With ESO its cheap design decision even really bad ones. Sure ES brand games have had some not so nice design but on each ES game you could feel that they make game design advancement. With ESO its just cheap generic MMORPG design without same devotion and love. Thats whats wrong. Sorry that you can't see that.
Seriously? You're obviously running from one quest marker to another and not enjoying the trip. Wander around in the woods and you'll find ancient skeletons hanging from trees above decaying crates where they killed themselves... you'll find the remains of people that have crawled into hollowed out logs to heal or hide from something, and died there. The upper half of a skeleton clutches it's chest, and points off to the north, following it's trail leads to chest, hidden in the overgrown forest floors. The diary and journal entries you find that are not quest related, that have nothing to do with quests (I know, click real quick and you don't have to read them, just follow the markers!!!) are often funny or poignant, and reveal so much lore and detail. Beautiful dungeons like Elden Hollow or the haunted old Manse in Reapers are hand crafted with the environment screaming a story to you, that you'll never even read about. There was MUCH love and devotion by the devs when putting this game together. I'm sorry it's lost on you.1 -
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Yes they did. They tried something new for them in The Elder Scrolls series. They have not made an MMORPG before. It all depends on perspective, friend. When you move into a new arena - things change.This is exactly funny you say "they went in a different direction and tried something new" the exact problem is that they did not try something new.
I didn't say you don't have a right to post on the forum. I said that your post is not a real customer support/technical issue. You can post it, but it is an opinion/discussion post.I still have right to the forum. I paid 80€ from this "design copy paste" MMORPG game. I will use that since that is part of the subscription that is included in the game.
I'm not trying to troll you. You have every right to your opinion. That being said, I don't think your opinion will change their minds. Bethesda seems to me to be very set in their ways. When they want to implement a certain system or gameplay style - they seem to stick with it, whether the players love it or hate it. Many TES games have annoying little quirks that players modded out. You can say to them, "YOU DID IT ALL WRONG!" but I'm sure they reserve the right to disagree with you.As you can already read from the post itself and the replies there are people that have mutual feelings with me. With answers that are not troll made. So there is reason that Zenimax employees and also Bethesda should keep eye on this thread. Because its about what people did not like about the game. It might help either make this game better or the next elderscroll online better which might not be made by Zenimax.
Sure, they do reserve the right to disagree with me.
But at least, speaking only for myself as I can't speak for anyone else, we DO still have the right to post our opinion of it, positive or negative. And I feel people are doing so in a respectful manner. It's really only a small handful of ESO fans that are having a hard time accepting the opinions of those of us that are disappointed, but I think most everyone is being civil.
And again, speaking only for myself, my intention is NOT to have the developers, or anyone else, agree with me. People who like the game have every right to that opinion as well, and I don't think anyone should try to dissuade them of that. If someone enjoys the game, more power to them. I'm happy for them, and I hope to develop that enjoyment of the game as well.
As far as the developers go, it's not their job to make a game that caters to me. It's their job to make a game, and then I decide whether it appeals to me or not. So I really have no desire to see them change the game to suit me. I saw what happened when a game is changed to suit a vocal minority. I lost my all time favorite MMO and one of my all time favorite games in Star Wars Galaxies to that. The devs should stand firm on what their vision is, of course addressing customer concerns to make the game better, but not giving in to a wild overhaul just because the OP, myself, or others, are disappointed. We'll live with a disappointing game. Not the end of the world. I still have my Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim to keep me occupiedEveryone was warned from the beginning that this won't be skyrim online. Should have done some research.
You're right, it isn't Skyrim Online, but it IS Elder Scrolls Online, so you'll have to forgive me for expecting / hoping for some of the core gameplay features that have been part of the Elder Scrolls series, at least in it's modern incarnation from Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Forgive me for hoping for a game that might blend Elder Scrolls gameplay features with the MMO genre (something other MMO titles HAVE done), and expecting more freedom and variety in my character development tools, or how to deal with a quest, or what have you.
Instead, the game is rather vanilla generic MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin on it, and very few actual Elder Scrolls gameplay features.
Meh, it is what it is. I am finding things about it that I do like, but I don't like it for the same reasons that I like the Elder Scrolls series, which in my opinion is a shame.Edited by amm7sb14_ESO on April 22, 2014 5:05AM1 -
cliveklgb14_ESO✭✭✭
If you can do that in the end level then I congratulate you that you get to experience that. The game bored me already heavy so I do not get to see that. Perhaps I will sneak and look one of my friends screens when they get so high to see how it will be like.
Yet here you are still posting. Go already then. But I doubt you've actually quit.
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repflope✭cliveklgb14_ESO wrote: »Yet here you are still posting. Go already then. But I doubt you've actually quit.
I read my email and since the forum has email notification I am informed of posts so I reply. I have not logged in almost since I started this thread...
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mdziur✭✭I like almost everything about the game. I've been playing it like I played oblivion and skyrim. The only issues I have are the boss fights and cyrodil. The bosses are unbalanced and too strong for a casual player, like me, to kill. I've been getting my character 3 to 5 levels above what ever the boss level is and I've been able to easily beat most of them. Just not Molag Bal. My VR1 Templar can't beat him. Very mad. Very frustrated.
And questing in cyrodil just sucks. I get ganked all the time trying to complete quests out there. Other than those two things I can live with the bugs I've encountered. Why!!!!! WHY!!!!! Can't there be some kind of white flag that lets your character quest in peace without gangkers killing you!!!!!
But bosses that are too difficult to kill!!!!!?????!!!?!?!?!?!? That makes me mad and stresses me out. I don't want a big challenge when I'm trying to have some fun. My live is too difficult and challenging as it is...WTF do I want my "fun" time to be challenging?!?!?!?!?!
Having fun shouldn't be a challenge.Edited by mdziur on May 1, 2014 4:14AM1