Should Auction House be Public or Guild only?

Tarelyn

pls vote and discuss. no trolling pls. keep it civil

Nox_Aeterna

I would vote for a public AH any day of the week. Would be able to leave 4 guilds with this change also.

With that said , dunno if the devs will ever change it.

Tarelyn

cant see any valid reasoning for Guild Only. Does anyone have any input on why its like that in the first place?
ive only played one other MMO (-DDO-) so maybe im bit clueless that way.
is it like this in other games?

Eris

I voted guild only mostly because I feel that server wide auction houses just lead to market manipulation and price gouging. People just sit there all day buying up the cheap stuff and listing it for way more than its worth artificially inflating the value of items.

Tarelyn

Eris wrote: »

I voted guild only mostly because I feel that server wide auction houses just lead to market manipulation and price gouging. People just sit there all day buying up the cheap stuff and listing it for way more than its worth artificially inflating the value of items.

i understand what you mean. but dont u think they will still do that in Guild anyway?
i mean, in theory, no... but people r people anyway. and greed is still greed.
i just dont get it.

Eris

Manipulation in an isolated economy is easier to notice and people can be kicked from guilds. Not saying they will or should, but if the guild as a whole decides to create rules about it, the market will be easier to regulate. You cannot kick someone from a global auction house, but a guild market you can.

Myself, I haven't found a need for an auction house of any kind, I keep all my stuff for myself and my alts and then give the rest to my friends or make stuff and give it away.

Seraseth

I think the guild stores has just as many flaws and problems as an AH, and is far more inconvenient to boot, which I've mentioned in

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70211/auction-house-is-a-must/p1

Samriel

The whole point of guilds, at least in other games, is a group of players joining together for common goals and helping each other. Every guild I have ever been in, and in every MMO I've ever played has had the philosophy of GIVING items to guild members who need it and SELLING items to members outside the guild. The guild store goes directly against this and is an utterly pointless feature in my opinion and should be replaced with a public auction house.

sully73

I feel a server wide auction house would destroy the economy in this game. Since there are only 2 severs NA and EU so many people will be posting the same item that it will tank the price. Especially on low level mats when selling to a vendor grants you 400 per stack

Eris

Samriel wrote: »

The whole point of guilds, at least in other games, is a group of players joining together for common goals and helping each other. Every guild I have ever been in, and in every MMO I've ever played has had the philosophy of GIVING items to guild members who need it and SELLING items to members outside the guild. The guild store goes directly against this and is an utterly pointless feature in my opinion and should be replaced with a public auction house.

The guild store makes it easier to give items to guild members. You just throw it up for a nominal price (like 100 iron for fee+5 gold) and everyone is happy. Guild crafters can check the guild store for the mats they need, make stuff, and list finished stuff for fee+5 and leveling guild members can pick stuff up as needed. Even if there is a global auction house added, this is still an excellent option for guilds to have.

Atreidus

I think it shall be public. It is making no sense to having it only in one guild.
1st reason: more small auchtionhouses instead of 1 big(and better priced) one.
2nd reason: to much trade Guilds -> wasted Guildspaces.
and finaly: TESO is in need of an real economy.

wrlifeboil

ZOS devs gave the fast levelers and the pts group a big enough headstart. Those players have many if not most of the good crafting receipes by now or will have those receipes by the end of this week.

I think the power users will give their blessing to the ZOS devs that it is now okay to start thinking about opening up trade so they can sell their wares before the rest of their slower leveling breathren begin to get those receipes too. Or maybe they'll wait until Craglorn is released.

imowen70_ESO

I could already manipulate the economy of the game. I am in three guilds. One sells a stack of mats for 100 gold. I could buy it and then sell it on another guild store that has a stack of mats going for 1000 gold. It would actually be easier to manipulate the market this way than on a server wide auction house.

Greydog

Can't vote. Your choices are either one or the other when neither is the better option. The answer is somewhere in between.

Dev's put a lot of effort into this system and I see no reason to scrap it. If they create a way for all guilds to be open markets it could be saved.

Polaritie

Last I checked, weren't guild stores public at any keep the guild held?

Killum

I don't see the need for a global marketplace and I am a crafter. In every game that I have played that has them, prices become inflated and the economy gets out of hand or the system gets abused. A global marketplace is very hard to control but as others have mentioned a guild market can be controled by the guild members and is less susceptible to abuse. However I do think an Auction channel in chat is needed just to get people selling/trading items out of the main zone chat.

wrlifeboil

Polaritie wrote: »

Last I checked, weren't guild stores public at any keep the guild held?

One of the concerns that was discussed last year was that only players in the same Cyrodiil instance would be able to access any guild store as a non-member.

So to visit a guild store, you would have to hope that their keep in Cyrodill hadn't been overrun by enemy factions and then enter the specific Cyrodill instance as a guest if it isn't your main Cyrodiil instance. It is a pain just to browse a guild store if you're not a guild member. You need to jump through many hoops just for the chance to browse the store. That means wasted time especially if nothing in the store is what you need.

ZOS designed in many disincentives to trade in this game. You have to commit a lot of time to trading in ESO. While trade can be a metagame within an mmo, most people pay money to play the Elder Scrolls part of the game, not wasting time in trade. I know, spoiled consumers in the U.S and EU.

Seraseth

Eris wrote: »

The guild store makes it easier to give items to guild members. You just throw it up for a nominal price (like 100 iron for fee+5 gold) and everyone is happy. Guild crafters can check the guild store for the mats they need, make stuff, and list finished stuff for fee+5 and leveling guild members can pick stuff up as needed. Even if there is a global auction house added, this is still an excellent option for guilds to have.

I think it was lotro? that had the option when you posted something on the global auction house to list it for your guild only. Something like that added would allow people who prefer it to stick with the small 'guild' market while allowing the rest of the people to list to the world as they see fit.

Only thing with that is make sure when you're searching you can filter it out, because several pages of stuff you can't buy is just annoying.

Elember

Definitely wish they would scrap the guild store idea and the part that sucks about it the most is the fact that I have FIVE guild chats all scrolling by in chat all in green print and this makes it impossible to tell who the hell I am talking to and reading.

It is nothing but a complete and total mess and who ever thought this was a good idea needs to rethink this and play their OWN game with five BIG guilds all chatting at once, what a bloody mess!

Not to mention you can't even get to the public part of it until you get to level 10, who thought that was a good idea?

If they leave it as is at the very least put a proper search into the GUI for it because as it is there will NEVER be anyone who spends more then a few seconds using it before they realize what a POS it truly is.

Elember

sully73 wrote: »

I feel a server wide auction house would destroy the economy in this game. Since there are only 2 severs NA and EU so many people will be posting the same item that it will tank the price. Especially on low level mats when selling to a vendor grants you 400 per stack

I have played another mega server style MMO, Star Trek Online, and it has global AH and the economy works just fine. Now before you start saying STO is not nearly as big as ESO and therefore it can sustain its economy with a global AH go try playing it. They have over 2 million registered accounts this is a KNOWN fact in the industry.

So the argument that ESO's server would not be able to handle the lag of a global AH, well if that is the case then they screwed up developing the netcode part of their server structure.

Greydog

You can turn off any channel in your chat by clicking that little gear icon on the top right corner of your chat box then choosing the "options" option.

Elember

Greydog wrote: »

You can turn off any channel in your chat by clicking that little gear icon on the top right corner of your chat box then choosing the settings option.

The thing is why do I want to join a guild and then turn off the chat for it? What is the point of being a member of the guild if you never chat with the other members? Five guilds is to much, way to much.

Jeremy

Elember wrote: »

Definitely wish they would scrap the guild store idea and the part that sucks about it the most is the fact that I have FIVE guild chats all scrolling by in chat all in green print and this makes it impossible to tell who the hell I am talking to and reading.
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Agreed.

I ended up having to filter them from my chat because of it.

It's just a very clunky and ineffective system and I really do hope they just add a public auction house - or at the very least address the shortcomings of the current system and make it better.

This is my only serious complaint I have with the game so far. All other imperfections I can deal with. But this is a big one for me that will be difficult for me to put up with because it's already starting to stifle my gameplay.

KingRebz

LIke runescape, they had the grand exchange..that was a great success it was for the whole public. Should be implemented here.

Greydog

Elember wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

You can turn off any channel in your chat by clicking that little gear icon on the top right corner of your chat box then choosing the settings option.

The thing is why do I want to join a guild and then turn off the chat for it? What is the point of being a member of the guild if you never chat with the other members? Five guilds is to much, way to much.

..and I agree with you. I was just letting you know there was a solution.

We need to remember that even if they relent and give us even a minimal change. It's not going to happen anytime soon. So it's probably in our best interests to use the what we're left with.

With that in mind turning off the channel is your best option atm.

Lalai

I put guild store. Not because I'm totally convinced that it's better, but I do think there are some benefits to be had. One of my merchant guilds already kicked a member who was caught trying to sell gold. Similarly, if someone is being a jerk with money, and upsetting other sellers/buyers, they can be kicked. I would like to give the currently system a chance (with an improved guild store interface) and see how it goes before deciding definitively which I think is better.

Holycannoli

I vote for a 3rd option: a dedicated market zone that works sort of similar to Everquest's bazaar from the Luclin era.

I don't remember much of it but I would like a separate zone where we can hire NPCs to sell our wares, who stand around stalls much like they do in the cities now. We pay a fee for the NPC, deposit what we want to sell and what price and that's it. We come back whenever we want to take profits.

The zone would have a search feature for buyers to locate NPCs who have the item they're interested in or a list of NPCs that have items that fit the search criteria. The search feature only tells them which NPC to browse and where to find them, they still need to run to that NPC and buy from it. If possible I'd want the search to work across multiple instances.

It's not quite an auction house but it does allow buying and AFK selling with your entire faction, not just one guild.

ExotypeGhost

Greydog wrote: »

Elember wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

You can turn off any channel in your chat by clicking that little gear icon on the top right corner of your chat box then choosing the settings option.

The thing is why do I want to join a guild and then turn off the chat for it? What is the point of being a member of the guild if you never chat with the other members? Five guilds is to much, way to much.

..and I agree with you. I was just letting you know there was a solution.

We need to remember that even if they relent and give us even a minimal change. It's not going to happen anytime soon. So it's probably in our best interests to use the what we're left with.

With that in mind turning off the channel is your best option atm.

I voted for guild, at least for now, just because of how unique it is. As for being in multiple guilds and seeing the same color of green for each, why not go change each to their own chat color? It's under Settings/Social.

Vorpedagel

Guild only. It an interesting change that I welcome, you actually have to put the effort in or establish solid connections in the game to acquire the goods you need.

AH will make the game too easy... Don't be so lazy!

But that's just my opinion. Trading guilds work really hard to provide their services.. A bit of realism for the game.

I agree, it's a unique feature and gets people involved.. I wouldn't like to see it go. Maybe lower the fees a little.. But otherwise I love it.

Sojan

Only you, can prevent price gouging. And by you, I mean us; public auction houses will only lead to over inflated pricing of items. Whenever I see someone asking an exorbitant amounts of money, I intentionally under bid them; everybody can do the same. Bottom line, we control the economy; if we do not make a stand, then they win.

Woodwanderer

"Trading guilds work really hard to provide their services..."
Really?
What does it mean? And what exactly do they do?

Couse how I see it's like 1 guy creates the guild (god bless him anyway) just to gather some planty of other folks to create some second best market just to be.

Then parhaps some folks get some money, load off their loot impossible to slot anywhere (another topic) , and he gets some even more money of it - that's what he kinda deserves for the effort; let it be. Perdiod.