Should Auction House be Public or Guild only?

Tetujin

I really don't know. I voted no just because I think there is some time yet warranted to see how it plays out.

You don't have to think of a trade guild in any way the same as you would a regular one. Just turn off chat, I would bet 99% of them will not care, or even welcome it. Use one of the 5 spaces for your traditional, friends guild. Or maybe leave chat for a good one on and use it for direct trading if that suits you.

Based on the current game design, what will prices hit? Will the price or iron hit 1 gold because everyone can mine and sell it, more than enough to let everyone level up their mining from a few quest-rewards? Will that happen with hemming/etc and everything else? Or will it find a balance point at which most of the time mining it yourself is too poor an investment of effort versus the just buying in bulk. Maybe they would have to revisit the core of their design for a lot of things, restrict mining, crafting, lower drop rates. Force everyone to require the auction house. Maybe the artificial barriers here hamper some mass market phenomena that they want to control for in the name of other desigb goals.

Or maybe not. But I'm sure they ruled this out for reasons they carefully considered, whether correctly predicted or not. I'm more willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and see how it goes, it may become good in its way over time, and I'm sure they'll adjust as necessary.

Having said that, I would a thousand times--a million times over like to see quality of life improvements to the current guild store UI, especially the searching/filtering.

Jonoarc

A public auction house, it makes trading more ambitious, engaging and ultimately more fun, with larger fluctations of prices (up and down).

Morthur

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Spryt

For public AH to work they need to reduce the amount of stuff that drops and make a lot more things bop. Or market will just get flooded and AH will only be used to powerlevel crafting or for RMAH gold farmers.

Morthur

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Spryt

Morthur wrote: »

Spryt wrote: »

For public AH to work they need to reduce the amount of stuff that drops and make a lot more things bop. Or market will just get flooded and AH will only be used to powerlevel crafting or for RMAH gold farmers.

Why? EVE has a global AH with well over 2 billion transaction per day and WOW has server-wide AHs that never caused any problems that the devs couldn't handle. But I guess those games also have devs that are competent enough to notice that perhaps a search feature would be helpful for an AH so maybe you are right after all....

Well Eve is build around trade and combat. Imagine Eve market if no ships, modules or wares could get destroyed. Just resold over and over indefinatly.

That is how it would work in TESO as it is now. People would use gear and when they out lvl it just resell it on market. Most trash gear is still tradeable even after you have used it. Gear does break in but it never gets competly destroyed like in Eve.

Wow has a lot more gear that binds when you use/loot it so you can't resell it. Like most mmo with global or server public AH systems.

Morthur

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Spryt

Morthur wrote: »

If RMAH trading, gold farming, exploiting or resource-balance is such a problem that a global AH would be impossible then the devs should solve those problems instead of just pretending that those problems don't exist and instead forbid decent trading.

Thats why I said a global AH would need quite a few big changes to the way the game is designed. Not adding a global AH was a design choice, not something they just forgot to add. So to make it work they would need to make some changes to the way loot works. They would also need to make a lot of server and tech changes to handle the amount of data a global AH would require.

Yes it's possible. But for me I would much rather they spend time on fixing current content and adding new actual gameplay (yes I know some people like playing market.) content then spending time trying to add a feature that was never designed to be in the game in the first place and imo not really needed.

But guess we will see as so many are asking for it maybe they will feel they actually do need to add it at some point.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

Only change should be a cross guild (all 5 if you have) listening of your sales
I hate to go guild by guild searching

Morthur

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therover8511

It would be nice to have both actually, have some sort of penalty to posting to the Public AH. Like listing fees are higher. To steer players to a guild based AH but still to have a large one because of the volume. The other thing to consider is due to the megaservers it may or may not be realistic. With a huge number of players listing constantly it may be difficult.

Jeremy

tdgeddesub17_ESO wrote: »

II think it is going to be fun for the traders and farmers supplying niche markets, this guild buys a lot of cloth, this one fish. .

Something like this might could happen. But I still think the size of the individual guild markets are just too small for it to ever generate a thriving economy. Even if they focus on specific products. Not to mention a lot of players would likely be shut out of these niche markets due to population controls.

The problem with the wait and see approach is it leaves a lot of players like me who want to fully utilize their crafting professions while leveling stuck in the mud.

So I would prefer they give this issue some immediate attention and hand us a workable economy as soon as possible. That or add NPC vendors who sell the rarer crafting materials we need to improve and trait our gear using crafts.

Tusnelda

I hate this concept to be forced to be in guilds and not to have the possibility to search serverwide for an item I want to buy.
Against guild stores. Look at other MMOs how they do it. This is a concept for a singleplayer game with multiplayer option, not for a MMO.

Spryt

Morthur wrote: »

Also, the excuse about a server-wide AH requiring so much resources or stronger servers is a total joke - when the EVE devs started out they were basically working out of their mom's basement and didn't have millions of people throwing 70 bucks a piece at them and they also managed. So it can't be that much of a problem for a big, supposedly professionally run company.

Long time since I played Eve. Maybe I remember it wrong but isn't seach and trade limited to system? So if you are in Jita you wont be able to buy/sell stuff over the entire galaxy? Also isn't Eve like 300k people were alot prob are same person with multi accounts?

I know Guild Wars 2 had true global AH and that had loads of problems at launch due to amount of people using it. Works fine now. But at launch they had to shut it down so they could make major upgrades.

But I know next to nothing about tech stuff. So all I can do is make guesses on past experiances.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against global AH. But as it isn't in now and would prob take a lot of work to add. Maybe it shouldnt be top priority for them.

I have yet to find anything I so desperately need to to buy or sell that I feel like I am really missing a AH. I'm not even in a trade guild. I just craft and trade with friends. But that said I am not 50 yet so no idea how it will work later.

Morthur

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Medic_Droid

Personally, I believe in paying The Iron Price.

I pull what I want from a corpse that I make; I don't skip down to the market and buy pretty trinkets to match my fine clothes.

An auction house is where one goes to pay The Gold Price, which I do not believe in doing.

More to the point, an Auction House will worsen the botting problem. They already exist in infuriating numbers; camping elite spawns, spamming zone, my mailbox, and sending random invitations to their guild (aptly named after their website).

Spryt

Morthur wrote: »

Sure, EVE is a smaller community but I still think it's not a bad example because the amount of goods being traded is extremely large in EVE (there are countless dedicated traders that do nothing but play the market day in day out).

That is kind of why Eve comparison isn't so good example. Eve was designed with trade to be a big part of the game. Systems were in the game from the start to make this possible. It's not like they launched game and then noticed people on forum wanted a to trade. So they did a quick fix and patched it in.

Global trade is such a big part of any mmo and can have a huge affect on how the game is played. So imo they need to do some serious thinking and changes before they add anything like that here.

Morthur

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Shoken

Guild only!! the game is and should be different than other games

Morthur

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Chelo

This game need an Auction House like right now...

Jeremy

Chelo wrote: »

This game need an Auction House like right now...

I agree Chelo. The sooner the better.

Shoken

I find no Auction House. Why? Personally, I do not see any sense.

StuppyJoe

The current guild store system has turned out to be a game killer for me. It subverts all other guild functions and turns guild into trade bodies only. I'm pretty much out of the game in the next few days if this doesn't change. I'm a solo player but I want a social element too and the current system kills any hope of that.

Shoken

To the beauty and depth of Elder Scrolls - now fits really no auction house.

Selstad

Since we're on 1 server, and we have all together, having a public AH would flood the market with items. Having a guild bound AH setup, prevents the market from being flooded by items and prevents inflation and devalue of gold.

I think it's better for the mega server's economy that there are certain limitations to how many items you're able to access at the same time. This works best for a mega server structure like ESO is running on.

Nox_Aeterna

Keep it up people , with some luck , the devs will take notice at some point.

Having an AH instead of my 4 "groups of people to profit over" would be much better.

Vorpedagel

No to public AH. Just stop being so lazy.

This would open up a huge gateway for botters so sell their goods farmed from botting.

Arreyanne

I think the guild thing is intuitive, it also keeps the gold sellers from making money on items they loot unless you want to buy something from someone in zone chat with a name of JAHDGWETOSK

As someone in an earlier topic said Auction Houses end up with even lowbie gear jacked up in price.

So I will assume the masses for this want to make exorbianant amounts of gold off others?

What your guildies wont pay you 100,000 gold for a level 5 Blue?

Vorpedagel

Medic_Droid wrote: »

Personally, I believe in paying The Iron Price.

I pull what I want from a corpse that I make; I don't skip down to the market and buy pretty trinkets to match my fine clothes.

An auction house is where one goes to pay The Gold Price, which I do not believe in doing.

More to the point, an Auction House will worsen the botting problem. They already exist in infuriating numbers; camping elite spawns, spamming zone, my mailbox, and sending random invitations to their guild (aptly named after their website).

This entirely, 100% Agree.