Official Stream Team Member Exploiting and Being Offensive Toward Viewers

forum_gpt

AaronMB wrote: »

forum_gpt wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Deci - You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
These "people" in here brigading. None of them are sincere in their positions.
I wouldn't waste your energy on them. Should ZOS listen to this nonsense it would only be a direct reflection of weaponized reporting systems.
Shame on these people for Virtue Signaling. But given that I know who some of them are it is done with malice and ill intent. If they can get ZOS to remove/ban/act on such a fickle thing as this. You can bet they will be targeting and attacking the remaining people who stream.

I am very sincere in my position that sexually abusive language and slurs are bad things and cannot be excused with "everyone does it" (false) or "it's just PvPers being PvPers." I am extremely sincere in my position that such people should not be officially representing this game through officially promoted streams. I am also quite sincere in my position that the set in question was not intentionally designed to pull people through/into walls.

I am not thrilled to be referred to as "people" (with quotation marks), as if anyone who thinks this behavior is abhorrent isn't actually a real person. Ever think that maybe dehumanizing people may be part of the issue?

I'm also not thrilled with how caring about concepts like professionalism, respect, and empathy is being derogatorily referred to as "virtue signaling." Just because someone can't comprehend caring even a little bit about anyone other than themselves or their friends doesn't mean everyone else is lying when they say they do.

So you were watching when it happened or are you second hand offended?

The clips are in this thread.

But you stated on page one that you were watching the stream at the time. Convenient.

Correct, I was, the person quoted wasn't.

UrQuan

Grec1a wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

The poll never should have been closed and directed to this thread, where there discussion is much broader than the very specific question in the poll. Very poor moderation decision by ZOS.

The thread may have been closed, but it looks like you can still vote in the poll.

Good point.

Everyone in this thread, please go and vote in the poll here that is about a very specific question arising from this thread, but without muddying the waters with all of the other things being discussed here. <snip<

<snipped for Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation>

TheAwesomeChimpanzee

The behavior displayed by this streamer is completely unacceptable, especially for someone representing ESO in an official capacity. Allowing a member of the ESO Stream Team to openly use slurs, harass players, and double down on that behavior without consequence directly contradicts the standards that ZOS enforces on the rest of the player base.

If this were just an independent content creator, it would be one thing, but as an official representative of the game, their actions reflect on the entire ESO community. What kind of message does this send to new players when an ESO Stream Team member is allowed to violate the same Terms of Service that apply to everyone else? This directly undermines the integrity of the Stream Team and the game itself.

At this point, the question is not whether action should be taken—it’s why it hasn’t been taken already. The ESO Stream Team is meant to highlight the best of the community, yet this individual has repeatedly shown behavior that goes against the values the game stands for. Furthermore, there is clear evidence that the player base at this moment at the very least overwhelmingly supports their removal, as shown in this poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos#latest

If all of this is still not enough to warrant removal, then it raises serious concerns about favoritism towards Stream Team members. Any regular player exhibiting this same behavior would already be facing a suspension or ban. There should be no exceptions—the rules must be enforced equally for everyone, especially for those who represent the game.

spartaxoxo

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Furthermore, there is clear evidence that the player base at this moment at the very least overwhelmingly supports their removal, as shown in this poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos#latest

The poll doesn't have enough votes yet to come to this conclusion (currently sitting at 30 votes).

I would personally support a temp suspension and voted accordingly, but it's just not enough votes at the moment to draw any conclusions.

UrQuan

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Furthermore, there is clear evidence that the player base at this moment at the very least overwhelmingly supports their removal, as shown in this poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos#latest

The poll doesn't have enough votes yet to come to this conclusion (currently sitting at 30 votes).

I would personally support a temp suspension and voted accordingly, but it's just not enough votes at the moment to draw any conclusions.

Which is why I'm hoping more people will vote on it. Doesn't help that it was locked and referred to this thread, despite the fact that this thread is discussing much more than the one specific question in that poll, and despite the fact that a poll serves an entirely different purpose than a discussion thread like this one.
So everyone reading, go vote in the poll if you haven't already!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos

Dragonnord

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Furthermore, there is clear evidence that the player base at this moment at the very least overwhelmingly supports their removal, as shown in this poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos#latest

The poll doesn't have enough votes yet to come to this conclusion (currently sitting at 30 votes).

I would personally support a temp suspension and voted accordingly, but it's just not enough votes at the moment to draw any conclusions.

The thread was closed by a MOD. Most users won't click on a closed thread.

spartaxoxo

Dragonnord wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Furthermore, there is clear evidence that the player base at this moment at the very least overwhelmingly supports their removal, as shown in this poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/673473/should-someone-be-removed-from-the-stream-team-for-speech-on-twitch-that-violates-tos#latest

The poll doesn't have enough votes yet to come to this conclusion (currently sitting at 30 votes).

I would personally support a temp suspension and voted accordingly, but it's just not enough votes at the moment to draw any conclusions.

The thread was cosed by a MOD. Most users won't click on a closed thread.

Yes, and that will limit it's ability to be useful for sure.

It still does not change that only 30 votes is not a big enough sample to draw conclusions.

mook-eb16_ESO

offensiveness in a twitch stream is twitches domain and you should report the streamer on their streamer page there 3 dots that you click to report the stream.

VoxAdActa

Can we talk some more about the explicit admission that ESO PvP is more important than IRL lives, and that level of importance is what entitles PvPers to use slurs, sexual harassment, and any other type of verbal abuse they desire when they get "frustrated", from which they should be exempt from any form of consequence whatsoever?

I feel like that mindset probably deserves some comment. Because that's really going to be the crux of this entire thread: Whether the behavior of this streamer is cool and good because ESO PvP is the most important thing in the universe to that person/some people. And if we don't understand that, there's something wrong with us ("not familiar with the competitive mindset or being exceptional at anything," or whatever), not the PvP/streamer community. The idea that "excellence" necessarily requires unfettered use of verbal abuse and sexual harassment.

We're definitely not going to convince anyone that this streamer was out of line if that's what their defenders actually believe, and there's not really any further point to this thread now that ZOS has been informed and can make a determination on it. You can't argue against that kind of ideology, regardless of how terrifying it is to the people who are stuck dealing with it.

Northwold

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Also as a side note using your example, you think those football players don't swear and curse and punch things after a bad game? Because I can guarantee you a lot of them do.

I think you're massively underestimating the number of adults who have learned emotional regulation skills, and who don't feel the need or the desire to verbally abuse other people with slurs and sexual harassment when they get frustrated or mad.

I take my job much more seriously than anyone (should) take non-professional gaming, and I don't throw staplers or shout sexual threats at my coworkers when a freelancer messes up and makes me re-edit an entire page of copy. I think anyone who has ever held a job in the real world knows how important it is to not do that.

It's abuse. And the fact that you believe it's perfectly fine to verbally abuse people for any reason, much less such a trivial and silly reason as gaming, makes me very concerned.

I'm with you on this. Some of this thread is jaw dropping. Like, how are these people capable of functioning in the real, adult world? And utterly bizarre points such as that someone doesn't say things because they're against the terms of service but would otherwise, without reflecting that the terms of service of pretty much any social outlet have been designed to require the bare minimum level of respect grown adults would expect from people in, you know, any interaction between human beings.

If people's lives are reduced to channelling their inner rage via video games, well, perhaps they need to get lives.

silky_soft

I've missed a lot of this, but reddit is more censored then these forums.

Decimus

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Can we talk some more about the explicit admission that ESO PvP is more important than IRL lives, and that level of importance is what entitles PvPers to use slurs, sexual harassment, and any other type of verbal abuse they desire when they get "frustrated", from which they should be exempt from any form of consequence whatsoever?

I feel like that mindset probably deserves some comment. Because that's really going to be the crux of this entire thread: Whether the behavior of this streamer is cool and good because ESO PvP is the most important thing in the universe to that person/some people. And if we don't understand that, there's something wrong with us ("not familiar with the competitive mindset or being exceptional at anything," or whatever), not the PvP/streamer community. The idea that "excellence" necessarily requires unfettered use of verbal abuse and sexual harassment.

We're definitely not going to convince anyone that this streamer was out of line if that's what their defenders actually believe, and there's not really any further point to this thread now that ZOS has been informed and can make a determination on it. You can't argue against that kind of ideology, regardless of how terrifying it is to the people who are stuck dealing with it.

That's a nicely spun story, too bad that you only got half the picture apparently.

If you have a competitive mindset and dedicate your life to anything, you are going to have stronger emotions about it. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about video games, chess, football, ice hockey - you will have stronger emotional responses to success, but also failure.

That's how life works, but as someone who clearly hasn't ever competed at anything or been exceptionally good at anything in their life this might not be comprehensible concept, which is fine... until you start disrespecting people different than you while preaching something as ridiculous as not using swear words when talking to people.

No one said that

excellence necessarily requires unfettered use of verbal abuse and sexual harassment.

, it's very disingenuous to put words in peoples' mouths who are trying to argue in good faith, or trying to twist their argument to fit your apparently very narrow world view.

Honestly though, I do love all the "get a life" comments that people throw at me when they can't be better than me at what I do, all while commenting on the forums (or in game/stream) of said game. It's been absolute cinema, thank you for the laughs.

TheHealingWhisperer

Wow meow, I see way too many jealous HUMANS here!🐱It’s honestly ridiculous how some people will jump at any chance to attack a successful streamer just because they’re part of the ESO Stream Team. Let’s be real—this isn’t about “fairness” or “exploits.” This is about jealousy and gatekeeping.

Some people can’t stand seeing others succeed, so they look for any excuse to tear them down. If this were any random player, no one would care. But because it's a known broadcaster, suddenly it’s a witch hunt? Give me a break. The ESO Stream Team members work hard to entertain, educate, and promote the game. Yet the second they make a minor mistake (or even something perceived as one), the jealous mob comes running, foaming at the mouth.

If you don’t like a streamer, don’t watch them. But pretending to be the "moral police" while clearly just trying to take them down out of spite? That’s embarrassing. Instead of whining in chat, maybe try supporting the community instead of dragging it down with petty, envious attacks.

Dragonnord

TheHealingWhisperer wrote: »

Yet the second they make a minor mistake...

With "the second..." you mean every single day of his streaming, correct?

Also: "This is my stream and I will call you <snip> all I want, even if I'm not allowed to say that, I will continue to say it, I don't care" (so he knows he is breaking the rules and still will do it - I'm quoting him, his words, not mine), you mean that a minor mistake too, correct?

Most Stream Team members do that, entertain, educate and so, yes, but this person does not educate anything. Opposite to that, he is constantly aggravating and denigrating players of the pvp community, mostly those that are below his skill level.

Jestir

I have watched some streamers and dipped out for good when they started spouting vile stuff. If it was too bad I would report it where needed and move on, which was exactly like 1 time.

This very much does feel like an attempt to witch hunt/brigade at this point.


Also with how many times they have had to moderate this topic I don't see how it is still open, it's just a breeding ground of toxicity.

forum_gpt

TheHealingWhisperer wrote: »

Wow meow, I see way too many jealous HUMANS here!🐱It’s honestly ridiculous how some people will jump at any chance to attack a successful streamer just because they’re part of the ESO Stream Team. Let’s be real—this isn’t about “fairness” or “exploits.” This is about jealousy and gatekeeping.

Some people can’t stand seeing others succeed, so they look for any excuse to tear them down. If this were any random player, no one would care. But because it's a known broadcaster, suddenly it’s a witch hunt? Give me a break. The ESO Stream Team members work hard to entertain, educate, and promote the game. Yet the second they make a minor mistake (or even something perceived as one), the jealous mob comes running, foaming at the mouth.

If you don’t like a streamer, don’t watch them. But pretending to be the "moral police" while clearly just trying to take them down out of spite? That’s embarrassing. Instead of whining in chat, maybe try supporting the community instead of dragging it down with petty, envious attacks.

This has nothing to do with jealousy—it’s about accountability. Being on the ESO Stream Team isn’t just about ‘entertaining’ or ‘promoting the game’; it comes with a level of responsibility. When a representative of the game is caught exploiting and being openly toxic, it’s not a ‘minor mistake’—it’s a blatant violation of the rules. If it were a random player, they’d still be reported, but the fact that it’s a Stream Team member makes it even worse because they’re supposed to set an example. Deflecting with ‘jealousy’ just proves you have no real defense for what happened.

Kaidzen

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we close this thread? There seems to be a lot of heated debate on this subject, and does not seem necessary for the forums.

This witch hunt is ridiculous.

Dragonnord

Jestir wrote: »

...it's just a breeding ground of toxicity.

I don't see anyone insulting anyone here, not the ones in favor, not the ones against.

I just see users stating their opinions, not sharing other opinions several times.

And MODS having to moderate this thread 3 times, as they had to, in around 300 comments, is nothing.

Grec1a

TheHealingWhisperer wrote: »

Wow meow, I see way too many jealous HUMANS here!🐱It’s honestly ridiculous how some people will jump at any chance to attack a successful streamer just because they’re part of the ESO Stream Team.

If you don’t like a streamer, don’t watch them. But pretending to be the "moral police" while clearly just trying to take them down out of spite? That’s embarrassing.

I am definitely not jealous of a so-called 'adult' who makes a living (possibly) throwing tantrums and swearing on the internet! Some weird comments on this thread lol...

Dragonnord

Kaidzen wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we close this thread? There seems to be a lot of heated debate on this subject, and does not seem necessary for the forums.

This witch hunt is ridiculous.

Private profile, probably your first comment here, asking to close a thread on such an important matter. Sounds suspicious to me.

And it's not a witch hunt. The same way we collaborate reporting exploits, bugs, testing this and that, providing feedback, filling surveys, etc., etc., etc., we have the right to come and expose something that we understand is bad for the community and the game.
 

VoxAdActa

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Decimus

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Damn that sucks. It's so lame one can't have a constructive conversation on the forums without being personally attacked...

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

Kaidzen

Dragonnord wrote: »

Kaidzen wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we close this thread? There seems to be a lot of heated debate on this subject, and does not seem necessary for the forums.

This witch hunt is ridiculous.

Private profile, probably your first comment here, asking to close a thread on such an important matter. Sounds suspicious to me.


And it's not a witch hunt. The same way we collaborate reporting exploits, bugs, testing this and that, providing feedback, filling surveys, etc., etc., etc., we have the right to come and expose something that we understand is bad for the community and the game.
 

Luckily, your opinion on the matter means little on the subject. Whether I've been here for 10 years or 1 year, I have the right to have an insight on a public forum.

Going above and beyond to get this person banned because you don't like them...creating a forum, creating a poll etc, etc isn't a witch hunt? Spending days gathering support from people and attacking them.. isn't a witch hunt? The mods and devs are the ones who control these matters, not you. Report them if you wish and move on. It's not that hard of a concept.

UrQuan

Decimus wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Damn that sucks. It's so lame one can't have a constructive conversation on the forums without being personally attacked...

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

This you, bro?

Decimus wrote: »

That's how life works, but as someone who clearly hasn't ever competed at anything or been exceptionally good at anything in their life this might not be comprehensible concept, which is fine...

Man, check out how black that kettle is, am I right?

Decimus

UrQuan wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Damn that sucks. It's so lame one can't have a constructive conversation on the forums without being personally attacked...

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

This you, bro?

Decimus wrote: »

That's how life works, but as someone who clearly hasn't ever competed at anything or been exceptionally good at anything in their life this might not be comprehensible concept, which is fine...

Man, check out how black that kettle is, am I right?

That is just a factual statement.

Is there something wrong in being average or not being super good at something? So much underlying resentment here!

I'm very happy for people who live normal lives and enjoy them to the fullest. I am also very proud of what I've accomplished in mine, of all the effort I've put into something to excel at it. That brings me joy, is that wrong?

UrQuan

Decimus wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Damn that sucks. It's so lame one can't have a constructive conversation on the forums without being personally attacked...

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

This you, bro?

Decimus wrote: »

That's how life works, but as someone who clearly hasn't ever competed at anything or been exceptionally good at anything in their life this might not be comprehensible concept, which is fine...

Man, check out how black that kettle is, am I right?

That is just a factual statement.

Is there something wrong in being average or not being super good at something? So much underlying resentment here!

I'm very happy for people who live normal lives and enjoy them to the fullest. I am also very proud of what I've accomplished in mine, of all the effort I've put into something to excel at it. That brings me joy, is that wrong?

You know:

Decimus wrote: »

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

forum_gpt

Kaidzen wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Kaidzen wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we close this thread? There seems to be a lot of heated debate on this subject, and does not seem necessary for the forums.

This witch hunt is ridiculous.

Private profile, probably your first comment here, asking to close a thread on such an important matter. Sounds suspicious to me.


And it's not a witch hunt. The same way we collaborate reporting exploits, bugs, testing this and that, providing feedback, filling surveys, etc., etc., etc., we have the right to come and expose something that we understand is bad for the community and the game.
 

Luckily, your opinion on the matter means little on the subject. Whether I've been here for 10 years or 1 year, I have the right to have an insight on a public forum.

Going above and beyond to get this person banned because you don't like them...creating a forum, creating a poll etc, etc isn't a witch hunt? Spending days gathering support from people and attacking them.. isn't a witch hunt? The mods and devs are the ones who control these matters, not you. Report them if you wish and move on. It's not that hard of a concept.

There was no witch hunting involved. No names were even mentioned. This isn’t about personal attacks or targeting someone—it’s about pointing out bad behavior from an official ESO Stream Team member and making sure it’s addressed. Keeping things transparent and public is important, especially when someone representing the game breaks the rules.

JavaRen

The question for ZOS to address: " is this streamer's behaviour something we want our brand represented by?" And after the answer to that question is implemented we, the fans/ players can decide how we/our money will respond.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any chance you could facilitate this answer being announced?

Decimus

UrQuan wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Yeah, there's no point. I'm certainly not going to continue to engage with people who genuinely believe that slurs and sexually derogatory hate speech is acceptable just because they're so good at a video game that they have "stronger emotions" than literally anyone on the planet in any other hobby or profession.

There's also no point in trying to argue relative importance, or even professionalism, with people who don't have to pay their own bills.

Damn that sucks. It's so lame one can't have a constructive conversation on the forums without being personally attacked...

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

This you, bro?

Decimus wrote: »

That's how life works, but as someone who clearly hasn't ever competed at anything or been exceptionally good at anything in their life this might not be comprehensible concept, which is fine...

Man, check out how black that kettle is, am I right?

That is just a factual statement.

Is there something wrong in being average or not being super good at something? So much underlying resentment here!

I'm very happy for people who live normal lives and enjoy them to the fullest. I am also very proud of what I've accomplished in mine, of all the effort I've put into something to excel at it. That brings me joy, is that wrong?

You know:

Decimus wrote: »

You're assuming a whole lot of things about people you know nothing about but that's ok, I forgive you.

I don't have to assume anything, I know that someone who doesn't understand competitive mindset hasn't accomplished any #1s or even #2 or #3s or #300s in their life - it's pretty obvious from the way someone types and argues.

Nice try though.

spartaxoxo

I have won competitions and been good at things and I have never punched a wall or used a slur about it.

That's not a competitive mindset. It's poor sportsmanship.