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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, I don't - I've called people much worse and so have most people streaming competitive PvP on Twitch.
It's not something that should be your base behaviour if you want to grow your Twitch channel and cultivate a good viewer base, but it's normal for people to get pissed off sometimes, especially at people trying to harass them..
My God! Stop defending him!
What part of this Stream Team member does this every single day you don't get? Or are you trolling us all? You don't get that he does this constantly?
He is a narcissist, egocentric, and has I'm-a-God-of-pvp-and-you-all-suck attitude, he is constantly aggravating and denigrating players.
What part of that you don't get?
And even if it's one time that you call someone a <snip> it's enough.
Go to zone chat in-game and call someone <snip> one time, just one time, and see how it goes for you.
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragonnord wrote: »
My God! Stop defending him!
What part of this Stream Team member does this every single day you don't get? Or are you trolling us all? You don't get that he does this constantly?
He is a narcissist, egocentric, and has I'm-a-God-of-pvp-and-you-all-suck attitude, he is constantly aggravating and denigrating players.
What part of that you don't get?
And even if it's one time that you call someone a <snip> it's enough.
Go to zone chat in-game and call some <snip> one time, just one time, and see how it goes for you.
Genuine advise: if you don't enjoy a streamer, don't watch them.
There's a lot of streams I don't watch because I don't like the personality of the streamer or I don't find the content engaging... similarly there's a lot of streams I enjoy watching because their banter (spoiler: includes mean words) is fun to listen to. To me, it can even be funny to watch a League streamer crash out in a flurry of slurs and rage - it's all just content.
Don't enjoy the content? Find content you enjoy.
There's not enough time in the universe to try remove all the things you don't like from it.Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on February 16, 2025 8:12PM5 -
AaronMB✭✭✭There seems to be a few people that claim to know a lot about this streamer even though they don't like him. How often are you watching?
I'm wondering where this video came from if the VOD was taken down. How many of the trolls in here watch him on a regular basis and record his gameplay? It's all very convenient that there was a screen recording and three (four?) of you were in his chat ready with things to say.
How many of you were in that ball group or are members of that ball-group's guild? And, how many of you have unique forum names that don't match your ESO name? Be honest now.
I watch A LOT of streamers. And indeed the streamer in question gets spicy with his verbiage. But I rarely (if ever?) have seen him teabag and any hate-whisper conversations appear to be started by other players - he shows all this in his stream.Edited by AaronMB on February 16, 2025 7:00PM7 -
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Swarm Mother actually doesn't respect collision either, it just doesn't have a delay - the pull is instant. You can notice this if you block a projectile with it while speed jumping into line of sight or with a very well timed Shade/Streak/Arcanist Portal etc etc, the game won't have time to calculate your position in game (positional desync).
The only time it'd have time to calculate for a collision check (which I don't think even exists, and if it does it's just wasted server resources) is if you've been behind LOS for 1-2s before that projectile lands, which is a very rare scenario.
Rush of Agony pulls everyone that was within 12m after a 0,8s delay, so you have much more time to get behind an object but not enough time to account for the positional desync. So even if they added one, game would still think you're out exactly where you were when you gap closed since the server delay for player position is more than 1s typically.
Don't know how to tell you this but I've been testing it a lot recently.
Swarm mother, at least when the strand intersects with terrain, will immediately cancel the pull (but still apply the stun) on any NPC that I try to move behind walls or even short walls. (making sure to teleport as soon as I see the damage tick appear on my screen. Maybe it's different for players? But I've also tested this in duels.
And for Rush of Agony, you can easily see that it's constantly updating the position it's pulling enemies to if you do something like Lotus Fan + Vault (as soon as you see the chains come out). Like it's trying to pull the entity as close to you as possible, rather than to a single point, as though it's pullpoint is constantly updating with your coordinates until the entities actually reach close enough to you.
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Intent also matters - no harm, no foul. I test things all the time in game, I find many exploits and I report them... because I tested these exploits in game I technically also exploited -> ban? It doesn't work that way.
If a streamer mega jumps into a keep and somehow solo captures it and affects the campaign then yes, he's exploiting - if a streamer jumps into a keep just for fun and jumps back out then we're back in the "no harm no foul" part.
Similarly (hypotethically, there's a death barrier in place if the gate is closed nowadays) if someone with RoA intentionally pulls a person from opponent faction through the Scroll Gate and allows the person to capture the scroll, that'd be exploiting.
Pulling someone through a pillar that they could walk around anyway in 2 seconds is wildly different and this should be obvious.
The clip doesn't, however the streamer has apparently from what I've learned reported these same people multiple times as they've been following him around for a long time now, and before him another person whose name these people used for the Youtube channel.
Your claim that he was "trying to pull people into a wall" is entirely speculative - I see no people being pulled into a wall, only through it.
A nice try though - I'm sorry your "legitimate gameplay" of running after outnumbered people was disrupted, maybe this gives an idea of how those outnumbered people feel like when they just try to play Cyrodiil and find good fights.
I’m not part of that yellow ball group, nor do I ball group at all. But even if I were, the difference is that they’re playing within the constraints of the game—not ignoring wall collision, exploiting sets, and disrupting fights using unintended mechanics. The group is playing the game as designed, the streamer is abusing broken interactions to interfere with legitimate gameplay.
As for your claim that this is “targeted harassment,” where’s the proof? You’re quick to dismiss actual evidence of exploiting, yet somehow expect people to take vague accusations at face value. If you have concrete proof like the clips already provided against him, then by all means, share it. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.
And honestly, trying to argue semantics about whether people are being pulled into or through a wall is just embarrassing. No matter how you word it, it’s still an exploit, and everyone else seems to understand that except you.
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
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Genuine advise: if you don't enjoy a streamer, don't watch them.
There's a lot of streams I don't watch because I don't like the personality of the streamer or I don't find the content engaging... similarly there's a lot of streams I enjoy watching because their banter (spoiler: includes mean words) is fun to listen to. To me, it can even be funny to watch a League streamer crash out in a flurry of slurs and rage - it's all just content.
Don't enjoy the content? Find content you enjoy.
There's not enough time in the universe to try remove all the things you don't like from it.
My Gooooooooooooooooooooooood! Is it really you Decimus? I'm beginning to doubt that at this point.
Situation here is not "Stop watching a streamer if you don't like them", but a Stream Team member violating the ToS and calling players all type of things every single day.
I know, this is the part where you reset the conversation, as you have been doing with several uof us already, and start again talking what is and what is not against the ToS.
It's very clear this "<snip>" and "S**K my..." is against it, coming or not coming from a streamer.Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on February 16, 2025 8:10PMSERVER: NA | PLATFORM: PC | OS: Windows 10 | CLIENT: Steam | ESO PLUS: Yes8 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »
I’m not part of that yellow ball group, nor do I ball group at all. But even if I were, the difference is that they’re playing within the constraints of the game—not ignoring wall collision, exploiting sets, and disrupting fights using unintended mechanics. The group is playing the game as designed, the streamer is abusing broken interactions to interfere with legitimate gameplay.
As for your claim that this is “targeted harassment,” where’s the proof? You’re quick to dismiss actual evidence of exploiting, yet somehow expect people to take vague accusations at face value. If you have concrete proof like the clips already provided against him, then by all means, share it. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.
And honestly, trying to argue semantics about whether people are being pulled into or through a wall is just embarrassing. No matter how you word it, it’s still an exploit, and everyone else seems to understand that except you.
On top of that he thinks calling people r****ds and telling them to s*** your d*** is okay. He said that he's done worse on his stream. It isn't worth engaging with that person.Edited by Teeba_Shei on February 16, 2025 7:21PM7 -
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✭TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »
I’m not part of that yellow ball group, nor do I ball group at all. But even if I were, the difference is that they’re playing within the constraints of the game—not ignoring wall collision, exploiting sets, and disrupting fights using unintended mechanics. The group is playing the game as designed, the streamer is abusing broken interactions to interfere with legitimate gameplay.
As for your claim that this is “targeted harassment,” where’s the proof? You’re quick to dismiss actual evidence of exploiting, yet somehow expect people to take vague accusations at face value. If you have concrete proof like the clips already provided against him, then by all means, share it. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.
And honestly, trying to argue semantics about whether people are being pulled into or through a wall is just embarrassing. No matter how you word it, it’s still an exploit, and everyone else seems to understand that except you.
Wow, someone sounds agitated.
I can be a bit too smart sometimes so I understand if it's hard to keep up, sorry about that!
Here's the deal: there's no "unintended mechanics", the set is simply poorly designed considering the constraints in the game (mainly positional desync).
Streamer isn't exploiting any more so than I am when doing double speed jumps with a heavy attack to regain stamina while escaping a fight for example.
That went straight over your head - ok, in layman's terms: streamer is simply utilizing the way the game's engine works with an incorrectly designed set. The streamer is not getting into places streamer should not get into, the streamer is not instakilling people by pulling them into death barriers, the streamer is not pulling people inside walls to trap them... streamer is playing the game.
I'm not accusing anyone of targeted harassment, merely providing context - as I mentioned earlier: I don't care. Streamer in question has proof, streamer can handle it - and apparently has by sending a report. This is the correct course of action, not starting some forum crusade and trying to deplatform people because they said mean words on stream and annoyed someone by pulling them in PvP.
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TheAwesomeChimpanzee✭✭✭✭Synapsis123 wrote: »
On top of that he thinks calling people r****ds and telling them to s*** your d*** is okay. He said that he's done worse on his stream. It isn't worth engaging with that person.
Yes and the fact that he not only thinks this behavior is okay but has admitted to doing worse on his stream says everything. And honestly, anyone still defending his exploiting and harassment at this point isn’t just enabling him—they’re just as bad. It’s almost impressive how far some people will stretch reality just to convince themselves that breaking the game and insulting people for calling it out is somehow acceptable. But hey, if they want to live in that level of delusion, that’s on them.15 -
TheAwesomeChimpanzee✭✭✭✭
Wow, someone sounds agitated.
I can be a bit too smart sometimes so I understand if it's hard to keep up, sorry about that!
Here's the deal: there's no "unintended mechanics", the set is simply poorly designed considering the constraints in the game (mainly positional desync).
Streamer isn't exploiting any more so than I am when doing double speed jumps with a heavy attack to regain stamina while escaping a fight for example.
That went straight over your head - ok, in layman's terms: streamer is simply utilizing the way the game's engine works with an incorrectly designed set. The streamer is not getting into places streamer should not get into, the streamer is not instakilling people by pulling them into death barriers, the streamer is not pulling people inside walls to trap them... streamer is playing the game.
I'm not accusing anyone of targeted harassment, merely providing context - as I mentioned earlier: I don't care. Streamer in question has proof, streamer can handle it - and apparently has by sending a report. This is the correct course of action, not starting some forum crusade and trying to deplatform people because they said mean words on stream and annoyed someone by pulling them in PvP.
Ridiculous.
Oh wow, no need to get so worked up over this! It’s really not my intention to make you feel like you need to explain things in layman’s terms—I promise, we’re all keeping up just fine.
But let’s be real here—pulling people through walls is not just “playing the game.” Calling it poor design doesn’t magically make it not an exploit, especially when it’s being intentionally abused. You can try to dress it up however you like, but at the end of the day, it’s still using unintended mechanics to gain an unfair advantage.
And as for the crusade comment—yeah, totally, holding a Stream Team member accountable for violating multiple platform ToS is just so unreasonable. Imagine expecting people who represent the game to follow the same rules as everyone else. Wild concept, I know.14 -
Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragonnord wrote: »
My Gooooooooooooooooooooooood! Is it really you Decimus? I'm beginning to doubt that at this point.
Situation here is not "Stop watching a streamer if you don't like them", but a Stream Team member violating the ToS and calling players all type of things every single day.
I know, this is the part where you reset the situation and start again talking what is and what is not against the ToS.
It's very clear this "You all <snip> is against it, coming or not coming from a streamer.
Question: why are you acting like you know me? I've used those very same words on many, many, many occasions about many people who have been harassing me. I've typed things way over the line that have gotten me banned in game and I've used way worse language than that on stream about <snip> who want to ruin my content out of malice or jealousy.
I'm also someone who learns from things, someone who hasn't typed over the line things or anything really in game since then - not because I don't want to, but because it's against the Terms of Service.
If I typed those words in game right now then yes, I would get banned. Permanently.
If I say them on Twitch? Lets put it this way: this is the kind of language myself and almost every competitive PvPer across any category frequently engage in on a "tilt moment" - it's something that hasn't gotten me a single warning on Twitch over the 4-5 years I've been streaming.
You're basically expecting special treatment for people who decide to stream ESO on Twitch, where it already struggles to gain any traction... this is what doesn't sit well with me.
If you don't like a streamer, don't watch them. There's many people who watch streamers who are passionate about what they do, have emotions and make fun of people trying to harass them because it's part of their content.
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »
Yes and the fact that he not only thinks this behavior is okay but has admitted to doing worse on his stream says everything. And honestly, anyone still defending his exploiting and harassment at this point isn’t just enabling him—they’re just as bad. It’s almost impressive how far some people will stretch reality just to convince themselves that breaking the game and insulting people for calling it out is somehow acceptable. But hey, if they want to live in that level of delusion, that’s on them.
Ah one more thing to point out: the original poster did a little bit more than just "call out imaginary exploiting" - the original poster was also being extremely obnoxious in the streamer's chat... I have seen the chat logs - I would've reacted very similarly was it my stream and someone randomly came in accusing me of exploiting and didn't listen to me explaining how the game works - maybe could've roasted the person a bit longer & could've been a bit funnier with the delivery before banning the person but this is all nitpicking.
You all must be new to the streaming world.3 -
VoxAdActa✭✭✭✭✭Lets put it this way: this is the kind of language myself and almost every competitive PvPer across any category frequently engage in on a "tilt moment"
If that's true, it's all we need to know about the ESO PvP community.
The idea that using slurs and sexually abusive language is both vastly common and entirely uncontrollable (or not worth putting in the effort to control) is terrifying to normal adult people just trying to play a game. It's like trying to watch football with someone who believes screaming and throwing things is a vastly common and entirely uncontrollable response to their team losing.
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've used those very same words on many, many, many occasions about many people who have been harassing me. I've typed things way over the line that have gotten me banned in game and I've used way worse language than that on stream...
I'm also someone who learns from things, someone who hasn't typed over the line things or anything really in game since then - not because I don't want to, but because it's against the Terms of Service.
If I typed those words in game right now then yes, I would get banned. Permanently.
So you got banned? Fairly. Then he deserves a ban for the same thing.
In-game, in YouTube, in Twitch, etc., ToS and Code of Conduct applies for all, also competitive or not, angry response or not, regardless any situation and/or emotions.
Maybe that's the part you don't understand.SERVER: NA | PLATFORM: PC | OS: Windows 10 | CLIENT: Steam | ESO PLUS: Yes7 -
EvilGoatKing✭✭✭Im glad this person is part of the stream team, anything that besmirches ESO at this point is a net positive in the long run.
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
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If that's true, it's all we need to know about the ESO PvP community.
The idea that using slurs and sexually abusive language is both vastly common and entirely uncontrollable (or not worth putting in the effort to control) is terrifying to normal adult people just trying to play a game. It's like trying to watch football with someone who believes screaming and throwing things is a vastly common and entirely uncontrollable response to their team losing.
That's all you need to know about any PvP community in any game. I urge you to open a random League of Legends or CS stream, see what kinda language you're met with from streamers who have more viewers than every streamer in ESO category combined.
You might not enjoy harsh language & players who take gaming very seriously, but there are a lot of people who do.
Good thing there's different streams & streamers for everyone to pick from.
Also as a side note using your example, you think those football players don't swear and curse and punch things after a bad game? Because I can guarantee you a lot of them do.
I can also link you some great videos of the world's best chess players absolutely losing it after a bad/high stakes tournament too if you want - Magnus throwing a water bottle is a classic.4 -
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✭Dragonnord wrote: »@IIILaaLaaIII ping @ZOS_Kevin because this is very serious and ZOS can action that since it's in their TOS too, that people must behave even in YouTube, Twitch, etc.
By the way, this SAME STREAM TEAM MEMBER that does pvp is constantly calling <snip> to group of players, guildmates playing together, and anyone that ganks or kills him.
His streamings are recorded in Twitch, so it's easy to show proof.
I'm opening a report to ZOS because, if we can't say anything in zone chat, and I 100% AGREE WITH ZOS in that, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT that, if TOS says that you have to behave and ZOS can take action even outside TESO if you don't follow their TOS, this disgusting behaviour (of this Stream Team member) should be actioned.
This is the right thing to do.
Look, it doesn't matter who it is ok, being part of things like, "The Stream Team" and so forth is a privilege, similar to working for ZOS, that would also be a privilege, not a right, same as it is where I work (not at ZOS obviously). At my work they remind us of this fact all the time. This type of behavior shows an exceptional level of contempt for the audience, for the streaming platform, for ZOS, for everyone involved and it deserves an appropriate response.
I understand you have some people leaving the game, (one or two notably whom maybe I'm not that fond of), but it's sad that ZOS has chosen to replace them with this? That's insulting and pathetic and leaves one to wonder about why ZOS wouldn't allow this kind of behavior on the forums (and as Nefas had said they dinged him for minor things), but then it's alright for people to behave in this way and represent not the just the stream team but ZOS as well?
No one using the R word or telling people to 'pull them' should be in any kind of professional theater or represent anything that marketing would care about.
Anyone who would treat me this way or would talk to me like this is -NOT- someone I would waste any time with, personal or professional wise and the fact nothing is said about this from ZOS is strange given how hard others have been hit for doing as much or for 'lesser transgressions' in the past.Edited by Vulkunne on February 16, 2025 8:42PM8 -
thejadefalcon✭✭✭✭✭
✭But this still stop these creeps from sending in game mails and even mails to my forum account. If I send you a hate tell and I am offline I do NOT want a response of any type. You do not have the right to send mails because someone is offline. AND if you do not want tells, go OFFLINE yourself.
Absolutley deranged take. "I want the right to send nasty words to anyone I like and if you're not offline like I am because of rampant paranoia, it's your own fault! And don't even THINK about responding in any way, because that makes ME the victim, even when I initiated the hostile exchange!"10 -
Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragonnord wrote: »
So you got banned? Fairly. Then he deserves a ban for the same thing.
In-game, in YouTube, in Twitch, etc., ToS and Code of Conduct applies for all, also competitive or not, angry response or not, regardless any situation and/or emotions.
Maybe that's the part you don't understand.
I've been banned, yeah - couple of times justifiably and once for nonsense. I sat out my sentence and learned from it.
The ToS and Code of Conduct you agree to applies to any platforms controlled by Zenimax Online Studios, it does not apply to platforms such as Twitch or Discord, to what you say outside to your friends etc etc.
These other platforms have their own Terms of Services & Codes of Conducts which you have to follow when you interact on those platforms.
It is not against Twitch Terms of Service to call someone the R word - it is against the ToS to call someone the N or F word though for example & this quickly results in you taking a vacation from the platform.
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VoxAdActa✭✭✭✭✭Also as a side note using your example, you think those football players don't swear and curse and punch things after a bad game? Because I can guarantee you a lot of them do.
I think you're massively underestimating the number of adults who have learned emotional regulation skills, and who don't feel the need or the desire to verbally abuse other people with slurs and sexual harassment when they get frustrated or mad.
I take my job much more seriously than anyone (should) take non-professional gaming, and I don't throw staplers or shout sexual threats at my coworkers when a freelancer messes up and makes me re-edit an entire page of copy. I think anyone who has ever held a job in the real world knows how important it is to not do that.
It's abuse. And the fact that you believe it's perfectly fine to verbally abuse people for any reason, much less such a trivial and silly reason as gaming, makes me very concerned.Edited by VoxAdActa on February 16, 2025 8:05PM13 -
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✭✭✭I've been banned, yeah - couple of times justifiably and once for nonsense. I sat out my sentence and learned from it.
The ToS and Code of Conduct you agree to applies to any platforms controlled by Zenimax Online Studios, it does not apply to platforms such as Twitch or Discord, to what you say outside to your friends etc etc.
These other platforms have their own Terms of Services & Codes of Conducts which you have to follow when you interact on those platforms.
It is not against Twitch Terms of Service to call someone the R word - it is against the ToS to call someone the N or F word though for example & this quickly results in you taking a vacation from the platform.
I hope this clears things up.
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imPDA✭✭Oh, I missed the video attached to one of the messages. Unfortunately, it’s only the second part, which is a real shame because it feels like I’m missing a lot of important context. Anyway, I wanted to share my thoughts. I recognized the guy in the video, and I have to say - he’s genuinely a positive person. I’ve followed his content for a while, and he’s always come across as someone who’s respectful, thoughtful, and just all-around decent.
As I watched the video, I couldn’t help but notice that the way he’s responding feels like he’s being cornered or pressured into saying things he wouldn’t normally say. And here’s the thing: there’s no full context provided. No visible user messages, just these random phrases popping up without any explanation. It’s like someone cherry-picked moments to make him look bad. What’s even more suspicious is that the YouTube account hosting this video was created specifically for these two videos. There’s no other content, no history, nothing - just these clips. To me, that screams intentional setup, like it was deliberately created to harass him, twist his words, and damage his reputation. It’s frustrating because this kind of thing can really harm someone’s image, and it’s not fair if it’s all based on half-truths or manipulation.
P.S. Mods, please don’t delete this message. I used Google Translate, so I believe it’s clear now what I want to say.6 -
Gizit✭✭✭Deci - You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
These "people" in here brigading. None of them are sincere in their positions.
I wouldn't waste your energy on them. Should ZOS listen to this nonsense it would only be a direct reflection of weaponized reporting systems.
Shame on these people for Virtue Signaling. But given that I know who some of them are it is done with malice and ill intent. If they can get ZOS to remove/ban/act on such a fickle thing as this. You can bet they will be targeting and attacking the remaining people who stream.
I do the things! for the team, score points! win the day by *** the stuff! HELL yeah!10 -
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I think you're massively underestimating the number of adults who have learned emotional regulation skills, and who don't feel the need or the desire to verbally abuse other people with slurs and sexual harassment when they get frustrated or mad.
I take my job much more seriously than anyone (should) take non-professional gaming, and I don't throw staplers or shout sexual threats at my coworkers when a freelancer messes up and makes me re-edit an entire page of copy. I think anyone who has ever held a job in the real world knows how important it is to not do that.
It's abuse. And the fact that you believe it's perfectly fine to verbally abuse people for any reason, much less such a trivial and silly reason as gaming, makes me very concerned.
Where did I say one should verbally abuse people for any reason? Also, while you might consider something trivial and silly, it might not be for other people... For me working is irrelevant and trivial, it doesn't bring me joy or a sense of success while gaming does.
I also would consider playing any game at the very top level as "professional gaming", especially if you make money out of doing so - this is the case for a lot of streamers.
Back to the point though, if you randomly walk up to your coworkers for example and start insulting them then yes, you're in the wrong here - but if you're for example bullied at your school and you start throwing fists at or insulting people bullying you, are you in the wrong here? I don't think so.
Context matters, the intent of the other party matters. Coworker messing up by accident isn't being malicious, some random guy walking up to your office and thrashing it is - and I'd be swearing at that person for sure with zero regrets afterwards.4 -
forum_gpt✭✭✭✭Deci - You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
These "people" in here brigading. None of them are sincere in their positions.
I wouldn't waste your energy on them. Should ZOS listen to this nonsense it would only be a direct reflection of weaponized reporting systems.
Shame on these people for Virtue Signaling. But given that I know who some of them are it is done with malice and ill intent. If they can get ZOS to remove/ban/act on such a fickle thing as this. You can bet they will be targeting and attacking the remaining people who stream.
Regardless of anyone’s intent, the fact remains that multiple rules were broken here by an ESO Stream Team member. This isn’t some ‘brigade’ or ‘virtue signaling’—it’s holding an official representative of the game accountable for exploiting and toxic behavior. If ZOS actually enforced their own standards, this wouldn’t even be a debate.12 -
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Where did I say one should verbally abuse people for any reason? Also, while you might consider something trivial and silly, it might not be for other people... For me working is irrelevant and trivial, it doesn't bring me joy or a sense of success while gaming does.
I also would consider playing any game at the very top level as "professional gaming", especially if you make money out of doing so - this is the case for a lot of streamers.
Back to the point though, if you randomly walk up to your coworkers for example and start insulting them then yes, you're in the wrong here - but if you're for example bullied at your school and you start throwing fists at or insulting people bullying you, are you in the wrong here? I don't think so.
Context matters, the intent of the other party matters. Coworker messing up by accident isn't being malicious, some random guy walking up to your office and thrashing it is - and I'd be swearing at that person for sure with zero regrets afterwards.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Even if someone was being annoying in chat, that doesn’t justify an ESO Stream Team member breaking the rules, exploiting, and throwing out slurs. If they can’t handle criticism without resorting to that, maybe they shouldn’t be in a position that represents the game. Context matters, sure—but so do professionalism and accountability.11 -
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These "people" in here brigading. None of them are sincere in their positions.
I wouldn't waste your energy on them. Should ZOS listen to this nonsense it would only be a direct reflection of weaponized reporting systems.
Shame on these people for Virtue Signaling. But given that I know who some of them are it is done with malice and ill intent. If they can get ZOS to remove/ban/act on such a fickle thing as this. You can bet they will be targeting and attacking the remaining people who stream.
I am very sincere in my position that sexually abusive language and slurs are bad things and cannot be excused with "everyone does it" (false) or "it's just PvPers being PvPers." I am extremely sincere in my position that such people should not be officially representing this game through officially promoted streams. I am also quite sincere in my position that the set in question was not intentionally designed to pull people through/into walls.
I am not thrilled to be referred to as "people" (with quotation marks), as if anyone who thinks this behavior is abhorrent isn't actually a real person. Ever think that maybe dehumanizing people may be part of the issue?
I'm also not thrilled with how caring about concepts like professionalism, respect, and empathy is being derogatorily referred to as "virtue signaling." Just because someone can't comprehend caring even a little bit about anyone other than themselves or their friends doesn't mean everyone else is lying when they say they do.14 -
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If that's true, it's all we need to know about the ESO PvP community.
The idea that using slurs and sexually abusive language is both vastly common and entirely uncontrollable (or not worth putting in the effort to control) is terrifying to normal adult people just trying to play a game. It's like trying to watch football with someone who believes screaming and throwing things is a vastly common and entirely uncontrollable response to their team losing.
It's not true, for eso and generally not even other pvp communities; it's just that folks who act like that are very loud, visible and memorable. Most pvpers just enjoy a competition and trying to win.5 -
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Regardless of anyone’s intent, the fact remains that multiple rules were broken here by an ESO Stream Team member. This isn’t some ‘brigade’ or ‘virtue signaling’—it’s holding an official representative of the game accountable for exploiting and toxic behavior. If ZOS actually enforced their own standards, this wouldn’t even be a debate.
Where in the rules does it say you cannot place a shade here while using Agony?
Where in the rules does it say you cannot use a specific word on a Public Video Service that is 100% voluntary.?
If this is the case, I am willing to bet all of us have once spoken a bad word while playing. Might as well delete accounts. You start i'll follow.
I do the things! for the team, score points! win the day by *** the stuff! HELL yeah!5
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