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RIP ESOU
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✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).
Bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....
ya, better to just throw random numbers out there like 1% and 4%. I cant with you guys. Where did you even come up with that?
Just forum things.
Anyways it's not surprising most people are indeed don't care about anything that do not directly affects them without consideration of a broader community or overall health of the game. In-game isn't that different from irl at that. If that's not in my yard that's not my issue... no matter nearby houses are already on fire. It's fine.18 -
washbern✭✭✭✭✭i left this damn game on update 35. I played for over 3 years and came to realize that this game has never, ever been community first. It's sad to see Nefas being treated this way. He was the truly one of the biggest proponents of our community and i guess the managers could not allow for that. How dare anyone put community first?!
it is absolutely disgusting the way he was treated. Disgusting but not surprising. We as a whole have been treated this way this entire time, we are just not content creators so, who cares, right?
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JiubLeRepenti✭✭✭✭✭i left this damn game on update 35. I played for over 3 years and came to realize that this game has never, ever been community first. It's sad to see Nefas being treated this way. He was the truly one of the biggest proponents of our community and i guess the managers could not allow for that. How dare anyone put community first?!
it is absolutely disgusting the way he was treated. Disgusting but not surprising. We as a whole have been treated this way this entire time, we are just not content creators so, who cares, right?
I absolutely agree. 100%.11 -
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✭If he was the first to leave Eso for reasons, it would be worth discussing for me. Starting with “Tamriel Foundry” and so many great guilds and communities that have sacrificed their time, work and money, this is unfortunately a bad tradition. Unfortunately, the same reasons are always given.
I wish him the very best for his future and believe that he has made a good decision for himself.
Thank you!Edited by Wolfshade on January 2, 2025 2:07PM9 -
alpha_synuclein✭✭✭✭✭In his video he also mentions that the developers sent out some sort of communication that they were hosting a meeting for the stream team members to attend regarding Matt Firor’s end of the year letter.
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Especially the fact that these stream team members had to go to a debrief about the studio directors letter… I really wonder what that was about.
Interesting indeed. The only reason I can imagine is they were very well aware that it won't be welcome with happiness, so the damage control started beforehand.
Nefas case aside, this whole video is full of examples of corporate bull...dozers10 -
Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's interesting how some parties, some lofty 'authorities' from the community who have many times in the past been known to be *sharply* critical with their opinion and biased towards certain folks (not a reference to ZOS or Mods), have seemingly lost their house over shifting sand. You did so much, yes you did but did you ever stop and think that ... perhaps you were doing too much?
If you are looking for the way forward, yes sometimes you have to take a step back to move on but sometimes too you need to accept some of the blame and take responsibility even if you didn't start it. It's easy as pie to sit on your horse and judge others but the real measure of a man is who are you when that power is no longer yours and that house that you built is at the bottom of the challenger deep.
Some of us have not had it as easy as others, have not had thousands of friends and followers, we didn't have it all, all we had/have is what we got. But the difference between us is you are now learning what all of us have known, fought against and experienced frequently over many years. And you are just now learning what it's like to be on the other side. Might want to think about that the next time you try and lead others in being overly critical of someone over a matter that never concerned you... that might be a start is putting yourself first next time and take care of home before trying to fix others.
As for me and mine all is well, ESO is still great, and my opinion hasn't changed much.
*Stars, Rainbows and Pots of Gold*
Edited by Vulkunne on January 2, 2025 4:33PMToday Victory is mine. Long Live the Empire.6 -
Pepegrillos✭✭✭✭✭alpha_synuclein wrote: »In his video he also mentions that the developers sent out some sort of communication that they were hosting a meeting for the stream team members to attend regarding Matt Firor’s end of the year letter.
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Especially the fact that these stream team members had to go to a debrief about the studio directors letter… I really wonder what that was about.
Interesting indeed. The only reason I can imagine is they were very well aware that it won't be welcome with happiness, so the damage control started beforehand.
Nefas case aside, this whole video is full of examples of corporate bull...dozers
If anything, the video shows how corrosive the content creators teams have been. Not the content creators themselves (although some were), but the system as a whole. It creates unorganic dependencies between them and the company, which ends up in all sorts of toxic behaviours going both ways.6 -
Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So does this mean we're losing Tamriel Trade Centre?
No, TTC is run by someone else. There was a “new and improved” site by Nefas that will be going but TTC itself will still be here.PC/NA Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS/Heal), Trialist (DPS/Tank/Heal), and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore- CP 2000+
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JiubLeRepenti✭✭✭✭✭It's interesting how some parties, some lofty 'authorities' from the community who have many times in the past been known to be *sharply* critical with their opinion and biased towards certain folks (not a reference to ZOS or Mods), have seemingly lost their house over shifting sand. You did so much, yes you did but did you ever stop and think that ... perhaps you were doing too much?
If you are looking for the way forward, yes sometimes you have to take a step back to move on but sometimes too you need to accept some of the blame and take responsibility even if you didn't start it. It's easy as pie to sit on your horse and judge others but the real measure of a man is who are you when that power is no longer yours and that house that you built is at the bottom of the challenger deep.
Some of us have not had it as easy as others, have not had thousands of friends and followers but the difference between us is you are now learning what all of us have known, fought against and experience frequently over many years. And you are just now learning what it's like to be on the other side. Might want to think about that the next time you try and lead others in being overly critical of someone over a matter that never concerned you... that might be a start is putting yourself first next time and take care of home before trying to fix others.
As for me and mine all is well, ESO is still great, and my opinion hasn't changed much.
*Stars, Rainbows and Pots of Gold*
The flower is in its pot. I repeat: the flower is in its pot.
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✭JiubLeRepenti wrote: »ESOU was a very useful platform to me. I used it countless times regarding trials builds as a Healer.
I don't think people always understand how precious and essential these kind of people are for a MMO. Losing a person who made dozens of optimized builds/tutorials/explanations is very harmful for the rest of the community.
Second this.
ESOU (and also Project Vitality) were a great addition for endgame and extremely helpful for optimizing builds.
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DeadlySerious✭✭✭Whole lot of people in here seem to still be annoyed by his toxic casuals video huh? Lol.
Love or hate the guy or his content, people should watch the whole thing for context (which he provides for the no streaming moment). [Snip]
[Edited for trolling]
The irony of that video is, well, ironic if you think about it. I also think that is why some chose not to heed the wise words and ignore the mountains of content he's created to help all ESO players, even those saying they have no appreciation for him in this thread. They still greatly benefited from his efforts.
There are known reasons that ESO has been tanking since U35. Not listening to and appreciating content creators like Nefas is one of those reasons.
With far too many loyalty is a one way street and in the long run everyone suffers when that happens.10 -
Koshka✭✭✭.DeadlySerious wrote: »Whole lot of people in here seem to still be annoyed by his toxic casuals video huh? Lol.
Love or hate the guy or his content, people should watch the whole thing for context (which he provides for the no streaming moment). [Snip]
[Edited for trolling]
The irony of that video is, well, ironic if you think about it. I also think that is why some chose not to heed the wise words and ignore the mountains of content he's created to help all ESO players, even those saying they have no appreciation for him in this thread. They still greatly benefited from his efforts.
There are known reasons that ESO has been tanking since U35. Not listening to and appreciating content creators like Nefas is one of those reasons.
With far too many loyalty is a one way street and in the long run everyone suffers when that happens.
That + a lot of players are very attached to the game and seem to take any criticism of it personally. Even if it's constructive criticism. This happens in many fandoms, actually.12 -
DeadlySerious✭✭✭Finedaible wrote: »I'm more concerned about the ethics going on within Zenimax studios than Nefas leaving, especially since Deltia and a few others decided they had enough with the company recently.
Yep. It's not just Nefas leaving. It's Deltia and many others that have moved away from ESO over the last couple years. And the tutorials and builds and everything else has gone elswhere with them unfortunately.
It's a real shame that the casual Elder Scrolls solo questers don't seem to understand how important content creators are for an MMO's quality and longevity. ESO was designed to be an Elder Scrolls themed MMO, not to be the next Skyrim. (something that was hugely disappointing to me at first, then I grew to love ESO and I'll never go back to that solo questing yawn fest I find the older games to be by comparison)24 -
DeadlySerious✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
Can you please provide us with your source for these statistics? Only 1% raids and only 4% PvP are wildly inaccurate numbers in my experience. So please provide us where you're getting your numbers. Thank you.10 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.DeadlySerious wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
Can you please provide us with your source for these statistics? Only 1% raids and only 4% PvP are wildly inaccurate numbers in my experience. So please provide us where you're getting your numbers. Thank you.
I would guess from Achivements reported by the platform for all players of the game on that platform. These numbers need to be corrected for "lookie-loos" that never make it to level 50, though. For example, one platform reports that only 6% of gamers have unlocked Level 50.10 -
Koshka✭✭✭.DeadlySerious wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
Can you please provide us with your source for these statistics? Only 1% raids and only 4% PvP are wildly inaccurate numbers in my experience. So please provide us where you're getting your numbers. Thank you.
I would guess from Achivements reported by the platform for all players of the game on that platform. These numbers need to be corrected for "lookie-loos" that never make it to level 50, though. For example, one platform reports that only 6% of gamers have unlocked Level 50.
If true, that makes the reported number of accounts much less impressive.
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✭.DeadlySerious wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
Can you please provide us with your source for these statistics? Only 1% raids and only 4% PvP are wildly inaccurate numbers in my experience. So please provide us where you're getting your numbers. Thank you.
I would guess from Achivements reported by the platform for all players of the game on that platform. These numbers need to be corrected for "lookie-loos" that never make it to level 50, though. For example, one platform reports that only 6% of gamers have unlocked Level 50.
If true, that makes the reported number of accounts much less impressive.
number of accounts includes accounts from free trials, so yeah.5 -
Ishtarknows✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Normal trials *are* easy. Loads of my guilds ran them naked over the Christmas period8 -
Valion✭✭✭I am sure the ESO community appreciates the recent attempts at better communication efforts, evident from all the pinned messages from Gina or Jessica for communication, while putting the issue of excessive moderation in official stream chats aside. I do not play a lot recently but the efforts are visible to me.
I agree with you. As does Nefas, if I understood him right. Because "the staff" that is communicating in a professional, positive manner, is @ZOS_Kevin - whom even Nefas mentions to be a great person to work with.
As for "the rest", it will show in what direction they lead their endeavour. At this point, I just hate the way some treat us.
(Not baiting, not bashing, just me being honest.)
Since the game is getting old, and the new stuff is always shiny, to keep its relatively dominant stance as a triple A title in the MMORPG world, this game will need the love of its veterans, and a solid identification combining the efforts of the dwindling crew working on the game - and us, the community.
Seeig all that expertise going IS alarming at this stage, since others will not be able to even experience the game and its journey throughout the 12 years like these folks did. They were in on it.
Trying to be objectively speaking, there are just a few good sources for guidance left on YouTube by now.
I couldn't even stand to read the "Brain Drain" thread, since this all feels like rowing on a sinking ship.
It just makes me sad since I listened to these voices time and again, with my pen and my self made character sheets, working on my builds. Which - always - were not up for the tasks ahead.
The factual gap between Zenimax and the ESO community does not make things easier.
I'd love to see mutual, sure, bold steps of convergence at this point.
Transparency and the end to censorship on one hand, and constructivity and solidarity on the other.
Since yes, the is a workers' struggle still unsolved as far a as I know. Same boat, mates!
Same boat.
(Edited for wrong quotation! Sorry @SilverBride! I honestly don't know how that happened.
And I was SO glad we'd agree on at least something!
) Edited by Valion on January 2, 2025 6:20PM"What does not redound to the swarm's advantage, that does not serve the single bee either."
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DeadlySerious wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »What's ESOU?
What indeed...
Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...
I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?
big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.
Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?
Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.
Can you please provide us with your source for these statistics? Only 1% raids and only 4% PvP are wildly inaccurate numbers in my experience. So please provide us where you're getting your numbers. Thank you.
I would also like to know where those "facts" come from, because I've searched around and can't find any evidence to support the numbers. Also, a recent forum poll paints a very different picture of what ESO players focus on in game: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/671306/what-is-the-main-activity-you-do-when-playing-eso Keep in mind that the poll only focuses on players' MAIN activity, meaning that someone who mostly runs dungeons could also still indulge in a bit of PVP or trials on the side.7 -
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✭✭✭✭DeadlySerious wrote: »It's a real shame that the casual Elder Scrolls solo questers don't seem to understand how important content creators are for an MMO's quality and longevity. ESO was designed to be an Elder Scrolls themed MMO, not to be the next Skyrim. (something that was hugely disappointing to me at first, then I grew to love ESO and I'll never go back to that solo questing yawn fest I find the older games to be by comparison)
This is an interesting thing to consider.
I know I started playing ESO because of the solo questing part, but I've gotten more and more into the MMO aspects over time, and particularly in the last two years. I'm actually at the point that I'd rather they focus their energy into making better group bosses rather than trying to make one-time-only story bosses with interesting mechanics - sure they're fun, but would I really want to go through all of the quests on an alt? Especially since most ESO quests are perfectly linear and treat the player character like they have the memory and intelligence of a goldfish?
If I want to go play some solo story-driven thing, I've got BG3. I've actually had a huge hankering to go beck to Skyrim since I did the Elsweyr storyline (which I really wanted to like but despite a fun story and plot, I hated basically every character involved) and I want to do more Dragonslaying. But yeah, ESO is fun to explore the world and make characters, but the solo questing has me less and less interested each update.
And that is the thing - if the majority of the playerbase is here because of Elder Scrolls, then as soon as TES6 finally releases and they hop over there, ESO will have basically no players. ESO should focus more on what makes it unique among TES-series games, which means the MMOs stuff: the group content and PvP (both things which... are not generally popular among the playerbase). Otherwise, it should focus on showing off areas of Tamriel that we don't get to see in the mainline games... and the letter implies that they will release fewer zones.
I've actually been thinking about what I'd like to see in the future, and it doesn't involve the solo questing at all. I really want a new class or two to play with alts, I'd love to get more dungeons and fun boss mechanics (and the associated fashions), and I think more zones should be added... but likely without involved questlines. When they talked about 'harder overland content,' my mind immediately went to the possibility of Solstheim as an OG Craglorn-level zone, with hard-hitting mobs, group delves, and intense bosses, and no real story. There's nothing in Solstheim at this point in history anyway, so just have a handful of repeatable quests (like the Trials of Aevar Stone-Singer) and no railroady excuse story.
I will say that I don't put much stock in which creators do or don't show off the game much, but I do recognize that MMOs do have a symbiotic relationship with their creators and things have not been good this year in particular. The big thing I'm seeing as someone who is on PTS every patch is the fact that PTS is treated as a hype ground and any feedback is blatantly ignored, even when bugs end up live that were reported weeks previously on PTS. And I'll admit the same thing that many disgruntled creators are saying - "why am I bothering if the game doesn't care about me?"
I really do hope that this can be turned around because I have come to love ESO. But after the difficult year that was 2024 and then the one-two punch of losing the NA meetup event and losing consistent updates of new zones and features... it's hard to be excited. I hope that this month's small reveal (which sounds like it'll be a handful of dungeons) and patch (which will probably touch combat as well) will be able to keep people interested through the reveal in April, and then I hope that can allow us to have some hope for the future again.15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭(Edited for wrong quotation! Sorry @SilverBride! I honestly don't know how that happened.
And I was SO glad we'd agree on at least something!)
I've done that too. Thanks for fixing it!
As far as agreeing on something, well stranger things have happened!
Edited by SilverBride on January 2, 2025 6:32PMPCNA5 -
Destai✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This video was pretty eye opening and further affirmed some sentiments I already have. I'll leave my more candid feedback for Reddit, but felt like I'd post here since it's clear the devs are watching.
For a company who demands such gentle treatment on every platform, posts letters about being nice to staff so they can keep streaming, it's unbelievable to see them treat a streamer like that. Let alone someone who has built so many resources and fostered people getting engaged with the game.
Treating people like that gives people license to treat one poorly in return. Gaming is a small world, and I feel like a lot of people are going to remember ZOS's actions more than his. If someone has a reputation for being nasty or snippy, then people are going to start with that. I'm not condoning rudeness here, but merely pointing some observations on human psychology.
After seeing this video, it was wise to cancel the NA expo. Based off what I saw in his video, and pairing it with the general communication I've seen over the years, there's some relationship building that needs to be done before any other expos can happen. It seems like some people need to be coached on setting expectations and clear communication.
ZOS needs to take people's feedback way more seriously. Two key moments stood out for me - the hate brigading he experienced and his feedback on U35.
Let's talk about the latter. If you make an update that invalidates the work of people building the community that supports you, both culturally and financially, then you should be going well out of your way to smooth things over.
Demanding constructive feedback all the time simply isn't realistic. Especially if you make changes that weren't asked for and largely don't stand up to scrutiny, and previous constructive feedback has been ignored.
If anything, his rant video on U35 should've been an invitation for empathy and reflection. Accepting responsibility is the first step in healing these kinds of rifts. At the end of the day, passionate people are the ones that drive a community; they can get upset because they care so much. The responsibility of any community manager is to manage that in a way in that doesn't feel dismissive. I get it, it's uncomfortable, but if the unwanted changes aren't reversed or improved, then that's the consequences.
And as for the optional meeting about Matt's letter, the letter should stand on its own merits. The game should stand on its own merits. If people have to be given talking points, then it sounds like there's a deeper problem that should be addressed first. Start there. Trust and credibility depend on the facts speaking for themselves. People see through things pretty easily.
All that being said, I'm sad to see his resources go away. While I didn't care for him personally, people like him really have a trickle down effect on the overall knowledge of the game. It'd be nice if the developers themselves put together similar resources. It can be hard to learn the game on its own. As discussed elsewhere, the brain drain is pretty concerning.Edited by Destai on January 2, 2025 7:26PM18 -
loveeso✭✭✭✭Rkindaleft wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »This doomposting over the last month is getting annoying now.
If he's done with the game, then let him be done with it. No need to draw any additional attention to it and let the rest of us enjoy ESO.
If he were truly done, he would have made it brief and to the point. But instead he posted a 40+ minute video that IMO is little more than a cry for attention.
Cry for attention? He got treated horribly and showed proof lol smh
That's not what I saw. What I saw was someone being smug and entitled disguised behind a facade of innocence. He knew he was doing exactly what he was asked not to do, pretended he wasn't aware ahead of time, demonstrated a complete lack of respect when reminded, and acted petulant afterwards.
I wish these forums had a disagree button.
Exactly! There is a reason why they don't have it though and it's pretty transparent MMOs: ESO (PS & PC), GW2 (😍) & Souls/Elden (😍)6 -
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Thank you very much, TTC is hella important for me, and especially console players.Wishing for Lilmothiit race still! Or maybe Lilmothiit companion?1 -
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✭Those who don't understand the extent of the damage are probably casual players. What Nefas has done for the community is invaluable. The major content creators are the ones who bring visibility to the game, attract new players, help them understand the game and progress toward the endgame, and build communities (all things that ZOS has never done). Alcast, Skinny, Deltia, LuckyGhost, etc., and now Nefas. When all the biggest content creators leave (and no new content creators are emerging), it means the game is not in a good state.PC-EU23 -
Toanis✭✭✭✭✭I've said my bit about just going when you have to go and not expecting corporations to shed a tear no matter how much you invested in the other thread, but this here is also a lesson in not getting too invested in something you have no control over.
That he scales down expenses for a game he no longer plays (which frankly is long overdue) is completely understandable, but when Nefas was the pivot point and sole funder of so many critical parts of the ESO endgame community, then the problem is not the devs or casuals not appreciating his contributions but the endgame community that comfortably sat on one guy's shoulders.
When your discord server's owner is loudly venting their displeasure, you should have a backup plan, when there is even more relying on one guy, the successor talk should have been done long before the point of no return.Edited by Toanis on January 2, 2025 7:17PM0 -
Grega✭✭✭✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I’m not a medical professional but I’m pretty sure shingles are caused by dormant small pox virus and not everything that was happening in relation to eso.
Shingles are caused by the chicken pox virus. After we have chicken pox the virus lies dormant in the nerve cells near the spine and can become active at any time.
Someone that has never had chicken pox can actually catch it from someone that has shingles because it's the same virus.
The more you know. Thanks!
We agree then, it was not caused by ESO. 🤷♂️🙃
Not necessarily. Current knowledge does not have a definitive set of risk factors nor say why some people contract the Shingles while others do not. However there are studies that indicate that stress is one of the risk factors that can activate a Shingle's outbreak due to the effect of stress on the immune system. So it is plausible that stress was one of the factors triggering Nefas' case of the Shingles.
If that’s the case, then my original point stands. Nefas has HATED eso for at least 12 months, and was disinterested about anything regarding it, but continued to pump out stuff and maintenance mode played as a CHOICE (as he said “for the community” but also as he said “ppl gotta eat” - without alternative it is money …).
It’s a choice. He made a choice. He knew what it meant.
I’ve worked jobs I hated before. Was around ppl I hated. Reasons irrelevant, it was a choice. And when there were side effect - I didn’t turn around and blame people I hated. - that is what he is doing now. He’s showing maturity level of a 5 year old and not taking actual responsibility for his OWN actions.
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✭I'm sure plenty of the people in this thread would make for great ESO content creators. They all seem very passionate about the game, regardless of which stance on the matter they take. Why don't we see this community here doing what those people who are leaving did?PC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the Templar Khajiit Werewolf
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fluffybunny✭✭✭Those who don't understand the extent of the damage are probably casual players. What Nefas has done for the community is invaluable. The major content creators are the ones who bring visibility to the game, attract new players, help them understand the game and progress toward the endgame, and build communities (all things that ZOS has never done). Alcast, Skinny, Deltia, LuckyGhost, etc., and now Nefas. When all the biggest content creators leave (and no new content creators are emerging), it means the game is not in a good state.
Agreed. [snip] so that isn't what upsets me - the diehard ZOS fans disregarding the effort and care Nefas put into the game does. I can't believe I'm seeing so much confirmation bias. Just because *you* don't use his resources does not mean others don't. And even if those resources aren't popular, it's important to have content creators, you know, *creating* things for players.
Incredibly weird they kept telling him to be "constructive" rather than emotional. I've always thought Nefas was incredibly tame and mild compared to the things I'd say. That goes for 9/10 players actually. He was always cool, calm, and collected while offering critique for certain things. Remember when he made that video about his discussion with ZOS a few years ago? That made me feel so hopeful for the game.
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[Edit for Bashing]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on January 2, 2025 7:54PM22
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