RIP ESOU

Valion

SilverBride wrote: »

I've played a long time and I've never been to that website.

Interesting. Well, I guess then you're also not among those few people who watched his videos, which, at times, were the most precious explanation of ESO content you could find.

7.500.000 views, that is.

SilverBride

Valion wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I've played a long time and I've never been to that website.

Interesting. Well, I guess then you're also not among those few people who watched his videos, which, at times, were the most precious explanation of ESO content you could find.

7.500.000 views, that is.

I don't watch any streamers, so no I never watched him.

Warhawke_80

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...


I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

So?

Anyone with any actual knowledge understands that bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

True. It's almost certainly underestimating the number of people who engage with trials.

Point taken...

But we can see with our own eyes very few people are participating in Trials...and the sad truth of it is that ZoS isn't going to cater more to an audience that isn't there...and Trials are the single most expensive content that can be developed

Soarora

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...


I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

So?

Anyone with any actual knowledge understands that bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

True. It's almost certainly underestimating the number of people who engage with trials.

Point taken...

But we can see with our own eyes very few people are participating in Trials...and the sad truth of it is that ZoS isn't going to cater more to an audience that isn't there...and Trials are the single most expensive content that can be developed

What makes you think trials are the most expensive content? You need like, less than 10 voice actors (quest giver, friendly NPCs, and the bosses, if they even have any lines). You can reuse assets from existing content (Asylum having Clockwork City assets, Kynes Aegis having Western Skyrim assets, Sanity’s Edge has some new assets but also takes you through existing areas). You need to design the fights but so do you for all the worldbosses, delve bosses, wandering world bosses, etc. in overland. You have to design 4 pieces of gear, but you also design crafted and overland gear for overland…

People who do trials also seem to spend a lot on crown crates and are also hooked into buying new DLC if any part of it contains gear that would be useful or a new trial attached.

Not to mention the loss of overlanders that will happen with TES6.

moderatelyfatman

@Soarora
I agree. Trials are a tiny proportion of the playerbase but has some of the biggest fish when it comes to spending.
All that farming for gold gear to have the sets needed for tanks and healers is especially the case.

spartaxoxo

Vaqual wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

I don't know how long this thread will stay up but this is a huge blow for the ESO community.

ESOU is shutting down.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c8gX0CFz5MQ

For me this link leads to an alligator video.

That's a good dog.

sleepy_worm

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Bashing and Slanderous Comments: We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

Is this still true or are we ignoring this rule now?

boi_anachronism_

alternatelder wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

Elderscrolls University. The largest source of information and builds for ESO.
It was run by Nefas who is probably the largest content creator for ESO on youtube. (Skinnycheeks probably had more subscribers but focussed mostly on builds).

Largest source but probably not as popular as you make it sound. This is the first I've heard of it and I've played since 2015. I've also been following Nefas for a while. 🤷

Were ya watching his vids on mute? I started 5 years ago and i know what project vitality and eso u were.. and yeah its a loss. One of my first raid teams was a project vitality team.

spartaxoxo

I think anytime someone who makes something like ESO-U leaves a game community, it's a loss.

However, it seems like game had taken him to a toxic place where everything was perceived harshly. That is not a good work or play environment. It's probably for the best he leaves. For his own sake, as a person, regardless of right or wrong about the whole Twitch thing.

moderatelyfatman

@StarOfElyon
Thanks for the concern.
One of the moderators @ZOS_Lunar was nice enough to comment on this thread and encourage us to keep things cool, so I think it's going to be ok.

@spartaxoxo
I agree that it was past time for him to move on but I do think he stayed because he cared about the community and hoped that things would get better.

OutLaw_Nynx

Soarora wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Does anyone have suggestions for another website for set info and the such? I used the website for that mostly..

ESO-Hub, that's what I use for seeing what scripts and sets do. ESO-Skillbook has skills but its run by the same group (Alcast). Alcasts builds may be bad, but the websites are good haha.

Thanks

Grega

SilverBride wrote: »

Grega wrote: »

I’m not a medical professional but I’m pretty sure shingles are caused by dormant small pox virus and not everything that was happening in relation to eso.

Shingles are caused by the chicken pox virus. After we have chicken pox the virus lies dormant in the nerve cells near the spine and can become active at any time.

Someone that has never had chicken pox can actually catch it from someone that has shingles because it's the same virus.

The more you know . Thanks!

We agree then, it was not caused by ESO. 🤷‍♂️🙃

Faulgor

I watched the whole video, before reading any comments even, so I didn't know what to expect outside of the title and picture he chose.

I kept waiting for the huge revelation, and then it was suddenly over. Overall It's just the accumulation of the small personal frictions that you always have when people interact.
I don't know if it's just cultural or generational differences, but I didn't hear anything in particular that would warrant this level of drama. E.g., to me and my friends, calling what happened at TwitchCon "public humiliation" seemed completely out of step with reality.

So, the communication between ZOS and their "Stream Team" isn't great. Okay. That is
a) not surprising, given communication with the rest of the community hasn't been great since the bi-weekly ESO live streams (remember those? I remember looking forward to them). Communication in the forums has improved somewhat, I'll say that much.
b) just makes me question why the "Stream Team" is even a thing. What kind of clique is this? Why should I, as a normal player, care about any of the behind the scenes streaming drama? Can't you communicate with me, the players, directly, without this cesspool of a middleman, ZOS?

Not to mention it leaves "content creators" in this wretched limbo between player and employee that makes my skin crawl. ZOS feels by supporting these streamers they also have to take responsibility for their content, e.g. protecting their developers from getting harassed, and streamers feel compelled to hype the game to stay in the club and get access to exclusive information. It's just a recipe for exploitation and drama.

Just burn the whole streaming thing is my advice to ZOS.

OtarTheMad

Sometimes business relationships go sour. Sometimes a corporation can come in and make some heavy adjustments and force the workers to do things in a way they haven’t before and it causes friction and sometimes they can be just overly mean.

The relationship between stream team member and ZOS seems pretty normal to me, you hype the game, give some constructive criticism and get rewarded. At least the way he described it.

I watched the video and nothing stood out to me besides ZOS being not great at communicating and that’s not a shocker. They are getting better on the forums thankfully and might get better other places.

Content creators come and go, I bet there is someone else out there who people will find and latch onto next. I also find some YT channels that just seem to be overly negative just for the sake of being negative and maybe getting more clicks for drama. Idk. Am I happy with ZOS? No. Will I buy another game from them? No. But ESO is still fun even though I am on a break atm due to grinding burnout.

All I see with this is the corporate side of business (even gaming business) getting ugly and it can, simply put. You learn, grow and move on. I’m glad Nefas is going to make content he is happy with, I personally never visited the website and I hope all learn from this situation, including ZOS.

Orbital78

Soarora wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Does anyone have suggestions for another website for set info and the such? I used the website for that mostly..

ESO-Hub, that's what I use for seeing what scripts and sets do. ESO-Skillbook has skills but its run by the same group (Alcast). Alcasts builds may be bad, but the websites are good haha.

I was a bit worried as for some reason I thought ESO-Hub was run by Nefas/ESOU but now that I remember years ago it was actually Alcast (and staff, who also pretty much left the game years ago too). I use the skill lookup/tooltip and even more so the Trade Hub (I find it more accurate than TTC). Using both ESO-Hub and TTC I find is a great way to average/estimate good sale prices for my trade guilds.

U35 kind of killed the whole hopes and dreams of project vitality, the trial community still hasn't fully recovered. At least in terms of raid leaders. They are out there, but way less. I was pretty excited for that project, at least he and the team tried to revitalize end game.

Sad to see more veteran content creators leave, but if you aren't enthusiastic for the game/community anymore it is for the best. TBH there really aren't that many left these days that I still follow, but then again the need for builds and such is not really needed with only a few build choices out there anyway. PVP I could see different but PVE there is like a dozen sets of the hundreds. I just hope the community can retain members like SkinnyCheeks and Hyproxies that do the math and really deeply investigate skills and mechs.

Franchise408

Not really gonna miss Nefas too much tbh

Noerra

How they treated Nefas... I just can't.... ZoS - y'all should be ashamed of yourselves....

OsUfi

I couldn't watch the 45 minute video on this, and any shorter ones on The YouTubes are hyperbolic rants, not summaries. So with that it in mind it's clear he's not happy playing this game and nothing ZoS can do will change that. It's time for him to move on. Thanks for contributions to the game Nefas, hope he enjoys wherever he ends up next.

manukartofanu

OsUfi wrote: »

I couldn't watch the 45 minute video on this, and any shorter ones on The YouTubes are hyperbolic rants, not summaries. So with that it in mind it's clear he's not happy playing this game and nothing ZoS can do will change that. It's time for him to move on. Thanks for contributions to the game Nefas, hope he enjoys wherever he ends up next.

Interesting, so you don’t have 45 minutes to watch the video, and that’s why you made a summary without even watching it?

OsUfi

manukartofanu wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

I couldn't watch the 45 minute video on this, and any shorter ones on The YouTubes are hyperbolic rants, not summaries. So with that it in mind it's clear he's not happy playing this game and nothing ZoS can do will change that. It's time for him to move on. Thanks for contributions to the game Nefas, hope he enjoys wherever he ends up next.

Interesting, so you don’t have 45 minutes to watch the video, and that’s why you made a summary without even watching it?

My response was 30 seconds of typing thanking him for contributions and wishing him well. The second line I gather from his general declining attitude of ESO over the last few months in particular.

I mean, you know, yeah. It's clear he's not happy in ESO, why not thank him for his contributions and wish him well?

Tra_Lalan

Wow, so many negative comments about Nefas.

I personally wached alot of his videos, he always seemed to be a resonable and positive guy. I really don't understand how can one not like him TBH.

This community should be grateful for all the work he provided to make it grow, I guess this thread just proves him that he made the right decision.

Good luck with your future projects Nefas, I hope Your hard work and dedication will find the appriciation that it deserves.

coop500

So does this mean we're losing Tamriel Trade Centre?

OsUfi

coop500 wrote: »

So does this mean we're losing Tamriel Trade Centre?

I actually thought we were losing that ages ago because the guy who runs it hasn't played ESO in years and was losing money on the hosting due to everyone having add blocker and not whitelisting his website. Which is entirely reasonable btw, why pay to host a service for a game you haven't played in years?

Defending

Regardless of how people might perceive NefasQS, it still doesn’t change the fact that he is someone who had dedicated a noticeably massive amount of his time to this game, ranging from content creation, guides, websites to community engagement.

Is it a big deal? No obviously, as Nefas is just one ESO account lesser in the grand scheme of things.

However, the negative posters need to take a step back and consider what is really being stated here.

I am sure the ESO community appreciates the recent attempts at better communication efforts, evident from all the pinned messages from Gina or Jessica for communication, while putting the issue of excessive moderation in official stream chats aside. I do not play a lot recently but the efforts are visible to me.

If people actually watched the video just halfway in, you will have already realised that the crux of the issue ultimately came down to poor communication (again) from certain* bad actors/people/managers in positions of power, from the one-sided interactions (accusations) or facilitating unsubstantiated complaints (v-tubers).

Ultimately everyone here is just a consumer and not a shareholder or key decision maker to influence anything, but i believe it will be beneficial to provide clarity/acknowledgement for both negative and positive feedback alike.

It takes courage to address unfortunate incidents like this, but the easier alternative is just delete this thread and pretend the “community” is forever smiles and sunshines.

the1andonlyskwex

Defending wrote: »

If people actually watched the video just halfway in, you will have already realised that the crux of the issue ultimately came down to poor communication (again) from certain* bad actors/people/managers in positions of power, from the one-sided interactions (accusations) or facilitating unsubstantiated complaints (v-tubers).

I think a lot of people have watched the video and come to different conclusions. It's not that people aren't watching the video, it's that people are watching it and, because of his behavior (both past, and in the video), are choosing not to take Nefas's narrative at face value.

JiubLeRepenti

ESOU was a very useful platform to me. I used it countless times regarding trials builds as a Healer.

I don't think people always understand how precious and essential these kind of people are for a MMO. Losing a person who made dozens of optimized builds/tutorials/explanations is very harmful for the rest of the community.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Grega wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Grega wrote: »

I’m not a medical professional but I’m pretty sure shingles are caused by dormant small pox virus and not everything that was happening in relation to eso.

Shingles are caused by the chicken pox virus. After we have chicken pox the virus lies dormant in the nerve cells near the spine and can become active at any time.

Someone that has never had chicken pox can actually catch it from someone that has shingles because it's the same virus.

The more you know . Thanks!

We agree then, it was not caused by ESO. 🤷‍♂️🙃

Not necessarily. Current knowledge does not have a definitive set of risk factors nor say why some people contract the Shingles while others do not. However there are studies that indicate that stress is one of the risk factors that can activate a Shingle's outbreak due to the effect of stress on the immune system. So it is plausible that stress was one of the factors triggering Nefas' case of the Shingles.

Lags

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...


I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

i cant with you guys lol. like where did you come up with those numbers?

Lags

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...


I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

Bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

ya, better to just throw random numbers out there like 1% and 4%. I cant with you guys. Where did you even come up with that?

loosej

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...


I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

Bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

ya, better to just throw random numbers out there like 1% and 4%. I cant with you guys. Where did you even come up with that?

About 73% of statistics used in discussions are made up on the spot.