Weekly endeavor: Kill 50 World Bosses

Calastir · November 25

ESO has become a chore for me now, like a second job with targets to meet except no holidays and no weekend off.

Taril · November 25

50 WB's is kind of silly. Such a large grind, even if there's an event going on where people are more frequently fighting WB's.

5 BG's... Nah, I have some paint I can watch dry which will be more thrilling.

500 kills... Should be fine. When there was a "100 kills" daily I had it complete before even finishing my normal dailies. 500 kills over a week that I can supplement with additional High Isle dailies (I.e. Clearing a Vent) shouldn't be too bad. But I guess this sucks for people who don't do PvE activities regularly.

Ingenon · November 25

opalcity wrote: »

It's a win-win for Zos, so they're unlikely to revert things.

If you put up with it and do them, then they get engagement and they win.

If you don't do them, you don't get seals so you don't buy stuff, and therefore they don't have to give away something for free. They win.

But what if ... some players get upset about the change, and stop engaging?

Less daily player population in an MMO is not a win.

Gabriel_H · November 25

Lugaldu wrote: »

50 Worldbosses or 500 enemies... Well, can I please get some holidays to spend so much time to do this?

500 enemies is around 10 dungeons or 20 Chapter world events or 30 minutes in Alik'r doing dolmens while spamming AoE

Its_MySniff · November 25

500 enemies was 3 and a half dungeons for me. It was quick. Don't act like it's hours of game play.

Orbital78 · November 25

Yes 50 seems a bit steep. I would say 20-25 would be more reasonable. I am just going to do IA and get the 500, but even that is a bit excessive. Something more around 250-300 seems more fitting. IMO endeavors should be something you can easily do during each normal play time. Not having to go out of your way to craft specific things, etc.

Dojohoda · November 25

We're back to ESO being "Endeavor Seekers Online" again? Where's the game in the game?
"Ain't nobody got time for this!" as the famous quote goes.

AzuraFan · November 25

The 500 enemies one isn't too bad if you don't mind running dolmens or dungeons. I did three dolmens (for the chests) and ran one dungeon, and I'm already more than halfway there. But if you don't like those activities, you could do public dungeons. Otherwise it will be a slog. I suppose the IA would work too, but that would be a slog too.

I refuse to do the 50 WBs. Didn't do it the first time it appeared and won't do it now. That's too much waiting around, even if you're flitting between WBs to try to catch more than one every five minutes.

DenverRalphy · November 25

Its_MySniff wrote: »

500 enemies was 3 and a half dungeons for me. It was quick. Don't act like it's hours of game play.

So much this. I'm at 485 and haven't even hit a dungeon yet. Just doin my dailies in High Isle/Galen on 3 characters. And I'm just casually playing. IMHO Kill 500 Enemies should be a daily, not a weekly.

ZOS_Kevin · November 25

Hi All, just wanted to follow up here. We've shared the concerns around endeavors feeling like they are missing the mark. We have shared this thread and the daily endeavor thread from yesterday with the team to evaluate. Nothing else to share yet, but will circle back once the team has some time to review feedback. Just noting that since we are entering the holiday season, we may not have feedback for this until the New Year. With that being said, thank you for raising this with us.

Vrienda · November 25

Called this when they announced they were changing them and adding more a while back. Glad I stopped bothering overall.

ElderOfTamriel · November 25

joergino wrote: »

50 world bosses? Wow. Endevors have really become so bad recently, the best choice seems to be not to bother with them anymore at all.

Has this been the intention all along?

honestly i do it exactly like that and im now at 25k, bought a horse for 16k like 2 years ago. new mounts mostly dont look great anyways so ill just save them for whenever something comes around which i really want to have. I think ive bothered about the endeavors like the first 2 weeks, never did them on purpose after that.

Wuduwasa13 · November 25

The endeavours are optional multiple choice activities. If you encounter one’s you are not prepared to do, the impetus is solely on you. 500 adds are easy when spread over a week or just go to craglorn and run a few laps killing adds & be done in 10 mins.

I personally don’t have any issue with the endeavour system and nothing I have encountered has ever been so severe as to be 1) not achievable 2) outside the reasonable framework of the games play-style & tools at players disposal.

XSTRONG · November 25

I got home from work loged into Eso did 3 daily quest in High isle, Arc 1 and 2 in IA then a random daily dungeon.

Half way in the dungeon I got the weekly endeavour 500 kills so I really dont get what people are upset about.

I wasnt even after the endeavour i completed it just by doing this...

code65536 · November 25

They killed the Q3 dungeons. They killed the Q4 zone. And their way to compensate for all that lost "engagement" is through the kinds of insultingly stupid things that belong in f2p mobile games. Amped up endeavors and Golden Pursuits.

No thanks.

FabresFour · November 25

I agree that 50 world bosses is overkill, but... 500 enemies is... Okay? I mean, without even looking at the endeavors, I've already defeated 419 LOL.

allochthons · November 25

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Suddenly everybody wants to pretend that the majority of the playerbase is not currently farming the bejeebus out of the Colossus in Greymoor Caverns, or not zerg mobbing the WB's in High Isle/Galen?

Why farm the Colossus? What'd I miss? Is it dropping something new?
(serious question)

valenwood_vegan · November 25

Some feedback to add - if the concern behind this is that endeavors are eating into crown store profits, I would counter that imo reduced quality and variety of offerings on the store this year; and a lack of player engagement due to reduced content, may be responsible for lower crown sales.

It's not like I'm gonna go out and buy more crates because the endeavors become more of a pain. If I'm not subbing / buying crowns, it's because I'm bored of the game, and / or because there is little of interest on the store. Basically it's not the endeavors - it's that if I'm active and happy, I'm spending on the game. If I'm bored because there's a long period with nothing substantial that's new; lonely because my friends list and guilds are dead; and tired of bugs, nerfs, performance issues, balance issues, grindy low-effort events... well I'm not spending. Simple as that.

Just my personal take on it, of course.

As for the topic at hand, I think 50 wb's is total overkill. 500 enemies isn't really that bad, but I think the point of these complaints has more to do with the fact players believe the endeavors *generally* keep being difficulty-crept and time-crept. Imo arguing over whether one specific endeavor is easy for you or not kinda misses the point. 500 enemies used to be more like 300 enemies. 50 wb's used to be like 20. 2 trials (for a daily) used to be 1 trial. THAT is the point. People want a fun and engaging game to play, and new things to do; not ever-increasing lists of [the same] chores.

valenwood_vegan · November 25

allochthons wrote: »

Why farm the Colossus? What'd I miss? Is it dropping something new?
(serious question)

There is a new gold furnishing plan that drops from the Colossus (see https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dwarven_Glass_Armonica )

allochthons · November 25

I agree that the recent endeavor inflation is really missing the mark. I'm glad they've actually taken it back to the devs.

Having said that, the Western Overlook boss just north of Daggerfall is fairly easy to solo, even on low-level toons. I soloed it on a level 12 tank, with crafted gear. Took a minute, but it's possible. And when there are endeavors, there are always people at that boss, since it's so close to a wayshrine. Kill it 10 times (takes an hour with a 5 minute respawn) on each of 5 days. Still very unpleasant, but doable. But it would not be my first choice this week.

I did kill 500 enemies in my 'normal' gameplay: 2 arcs in the IA (which I do anyway) and a volcanic vent.

But, if I didn't do the IA or have the event DLCs, on a low dps toon I would go the the Obsidian Scar public dungeon in Rivenspire. There's a square room on the left, which respawns about as fast as I can go around it on a low toon. I level in that room a fair amount.
On a high toon, I go to Sunhold public dungeon in Summerset. Which is still ESO+, but should be base game next year?
Surprising number of groups of enemies in there. And it's usually deserted.

Sanguine's Demesne public dungeon in Shadowfen is also good, and usually not very crowded.

(crowd levels based on PS/NA)

Aashiana · November 25

All this feels like "if one endeavor is too hard/boring for me I won't bother with any of them." which just makes me want to roll my eyes. There is no way for them to provide a system like this that's going to be perfect for everyone every day. If you can't find 3 that are reasonable for you, so what? you're still getting the endeavors for the others you decide to do. You're getting free currency whenever you accidentally do something, which is frequently if you play at all. This is basically a crown replacement that you can get on accident, or a few more if you do them consistently.

I know a lot of people that do them every day because we've done most of the things and it's nice to have some randomness each day. Rarely are there 3 I can't/don't want to do, but mostly it's just something to do that's different every day. Some days they're super-easy and I wish I could do all 5. You don't HAVE to grind them, just like you don't HAVE to grind daily crafting, or daily dungeons, or battlegrounds, or IC, or events, or whatever. All those things give rewards, this is just one more - and one of the few that actually saves you real money if you would otherwise buy crowns.

Pick the things you like, no need to gripe about things you don't feel like doing. Play your way, as they say, and don't expect everything to be tuned to you. Because which of these are reasonable to do will totally depend on the player, their skills and interests.

Eclipse318 · November 25

allochthons wrote: »

Why farm the Colossus? What'd I miss? Is it dropping something new?
(serious question)

It's dropping the dwarven glass armonica as a furnishing pattern so you can put one in your house, right now that's only an emote. I'd love to get that pattern but sadly as a tank I never do enough damage to get any drops at all so I gave up trying. I wish they'd eliminate that nonsense of "only the top X percent of damage gets anything," it's extremely unfair to anyone who isn't a high level DPS. They just camp there and scoop up all the expensive patterns and make $$$ while the rest of us get nothing.

allochthons · November 25

Eclipse318 wrote: »

allochthons wrote: »

Why farm the Colossus? What'd I miss? Is it dropping something new?
(serious question)

It's dropping the dwarven glass armonica as a furnishing pattern so you can put one in your house, right now that's only an emote.

Oh, gotcha. Thank you!

Elvenheart · November 25

I chose the 500 enemies option, and this morning I already got 275 of them on one run all the way to the 10 fabled, 2/3/2.

N00BxV1 · November 25

We had this weekly endeavor during the week of November 4th (3 weeks ago): Kill 50 World Bosses Holy!

The last time we had this weekly endeavor it rewarded 230 Seals of Endeavor, but this time it's only rewarding 220 Seals of Endeavor...

opalcity · November 25

Ingenon wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

It's a win-win for Zos, so they're unlikely to revert things.

If you put up with it and do them, then they get engagement and they win.

If you don't do them, you don't get seals so you don't buy stuff, and therefore they don't have to give away something for free. They win.

But what if ... some players get upset about the change, and stop engaging?

Less daily player population in an MMO is not a win.

darvaria · November 25

Just do 5 bgs. You don't even have to win.

You can get 500 kills in Craglorn Spell Car in about 10 minutes.

ob1ken0bi · November 25

500 kills is easy. Level up a new character, level up a companion, 500 could easily be done in 60 min or less. Thats under 10 min per day and likely you will get this without even trying if you do dailies or play for 60 minutes

Lugaldu · November 25

I find it fascinating that some people say that killing 500 enemies is no big deal... You can do it quickly with 10 dungeons. Or a few arcs in the Endless Archive. But there are also people who only have an hour playtime in the evening. In that time I would like to do something other than run through the Fungal Grotto for the thousandth time. And we don't even start to speak about the 50 world bosses. Or two trials as a daily...
The Endeavors are becoming more and more user-unfriendly, at least for users who have also other things to do in real life.

SaphiraXxX · November 25

Just to add: My guilds aren't happy with this either. Most are treating endevors as non-existing. If one happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen, oh well seems like the game doesn't want me to do them anyway. It's really sad because we loved them so much in the beginning.