This pushing people into PVP is WRONG

huskandhunger

I feel the same about the crafting events, boring [snip], id much rather do pvp and eat players with my werewolf 😄

[edited for profanity bypass]

Mathius_Mordred

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.


This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

Whilst I agree with your overall premise, just run a battleground, and make sure you have the Test of Mettle quest from Battlemaster Rivyn. You can drop and reacquire the quest until you get test of mettle. Then you only need to earn 1000 points to get the event ticket. I am not a PvPer but my WW can give a good account of himself, usually getting at least 5 kills and plenty of assists, so 1000 points is quite easy. You can also try a vampire bow build, quite effective in Battlegrounds. I would never go to IC for this event, bad choice, full of griefers, PvE should never be mixed with PvP imo.

spartaxoxo

JustLovely wrote: »

Someone who just furnishes homes can't do anything other than furnish more homes. It takes imagination to do housing in ESO, but it takes zero skill or experience.

Totally untrue. My homes now are far better than my earliest homes. It took time and experience to push housing to the limit.

I've also seen plenty of PvPers be absolutely trash in even basic vet dungeons, and vice versa with PvErs falling over very easily.

They are different skill sets. And while I have no doubt that many of the top .1% are skilled at both, ignoring 99% of a data set to make such a sweeping claim does not make sense. Especially since PvP often needs to PvE to get things as they level but the same is not true the other way around. So, they naturally have more exposure to PvE content.

DizzyMac

its strange that PVE'rs lose it over having to do 1 event per year that requires PVP. most PVP'rs are forced to do PVE constantly just to be able to have gear they need, get gold to be able to pay for everything AND for every other event during the year.
Should PVP'rs be able to nominate that they are PVP and be given access to ALL vet trial gear without actually doing trials? NO? why not? they are being forced to do it, and that is the equal of your complaint against PVP

spartaxoxo

DizzyMac wrote: »

its strange that PVE'rs lose it over having to do 1 event per year that requires PVP. most PVP'rs are forced to do PVE constantly just to be able to have gear they need, get gold to be able to pay for everything AND for every other event during the year.
Should PVP'rs be able to nominate that they are PVP and be given access to ALL vet trial gear without actually doing trials? NO? why not? they are being forced to do it, and that is the equal of your complaint against PVP

The Equal of the complaint wouldn't be gear because Event Tickets are cosmetic. It would be "should all event tickets come from PvP too?"

TDVM

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.


This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

Then just buy the tickets if you don't want to suffer, it's simple.

Jaimeh

SilverBride wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

You're trying to argue that playing house is as equally difficult as building a house. All it takes to play house is an imagination. It takes skill and experience to build a house. The level of difficulty is not even remotely the same.

I am not arguing any such thing. I am saying that no, PvP isn't the true test of skill in ESO as was claimed in this post.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

PvP is the true test of skill in ESO.

Yes, you are.

Excelling at PvP is the true test of a players skill in ESO. A top tier PvP player can complete any content in the game and is welcome in end game PvE trials. Someone who just furnishes homes can't do anything other than furnish more homes. It takes imagination to do housing in ESO, but it takes zero skill or experience.

I will never agree that PvP players are more skilled than those that PvE so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

That is not an informed view; like others have mentioned in this thread, good PvPers can more seamlessly transition to high end-game content (meaning score-pushing and trifectas), the opposite is less true. And it makes sense: PvE has a finite set of rules and parameters, mechanics are specific and always have the same conditions, so the flow of the fight is prescribed (and in organized groups even positioning is arranged). In PvP the flow of the fight changes every second, nothing is prescribed and you have to recalculate depending on your opponent and the surroundings at every moment. There is a reason why DDs in PvE are often said to 'tunnel vision', because fight goes the same way every time, so the rotation becomes mindless. I'm not writing this for you specifically, since you made up your mind, but for the benefit of others it has to be said that it's quite a misinformed take.

peacenote

I've told this story before, I believe. But the first time I was in Cyrodiil was one of the worst experiences I had in game, because I didn't know better and I had a slow horse so I spent about two hours running, with maybe a total of five minutes fighting as I would get killed immediately when I found any action. I did not understand how anyone would find the endless running/riding fun.

But I leveled my horse, got better builds, learned the tricks of traveling around Cyrodiil, learned to get a feel for when a battle would end before I got there, and now I have a great time in Cyrodiil.

It absolutely shouldn't take an hour and a half to get the IC ticket done. Sometimes, it's worth it to learn a little more about what you are trying to do, to get better at it, even if it is not where you want to spend most of your time. I hate doing laundry but it has to be done, and slowly over the years I've learned tricks to make the chore go faster. There are tons of tips in here on how to quickly and easily get tickets during MYM. But in addition to that, every MYM we see the same threads, and there are always very helpful people who jump in and share the same helpful tips. There's also usually someone who posts a guide on a PvE'ers guide to getting the PvP tickets.

I am sympathetic because I love the indriks, and I'm sorry to hear you had a bad time in the game. But I don't agree that ZOS "forces" us to PvP just because there is an event twice a year that awards tickets and the quests are in PvP zones. As the years go by, I don't even support this whole PvE vs. PvP debate. It's so polarizing and not really a fair representation of the ESO experience. It's not just "PvE" and "PvP." There are many features throughout the game and there's no way that all of them can be everyone's favorite. Housing, Companions, Tales of Tribute (which, by the way, has some "PvP"), Dungeons, Trials, Questing, Fishing, Crafting, Battlegrounds, Duels, Cyrodiil, IC (which is divided into the city part and the sewers), Antiquities, Multiple Classes, Vampires, Werewolves... there are tons of awards and achievements scattered throughout these activities and more across the game and primarily the point is to provide variety and enjoyment for the people who enjoy the activities. But someone might like Cyro but not IC. They might like dungeons but not fishing. They might like Battlegrounds and Questing but not like Housing or Cyro. It's not as simple as "PvP" vs. "PvE."

There are so many decision points that resulted in you spending an hour and a half in IC and getting frustrated. You chose to get tickets from this event, specifically. You didn't look ahead of time for tips and tricks. You stayed in IC when you were having a bad time when you could have gone to Cyro or a different instance of IC, or logged back on during a less populated time. You also could skip one day of tickets (or one portion of the tickets, like, I'll do IC today and Cyro tomorrow). Things not going well in a session? Say, OK, this is stressing me out, I'll do it later or tomorrow.

I say these things not to be harsh, but because we generate less stress as humans if we get into the more empowering mindset that we make our own decisions and are in control of our own destiny, as opposed to getting stuck in a helpless mindset that we are forced to do something or someone else made us feel a certain way. There is almost always another option and another path. I truly hate to see someone resorting to medication because of a video game. Yes, there are things we can't control in life that we have to deal with, like if our house was hit by lightning, but ESO is not one of those things. I hope this is a helpful perspective.

Icy_Waffles

This is so messed up. I am a PVE player and I look forward to mid year mayhem. I look up some builds find one I like prepare my character and go “hardcore” questing lol, and surprise surprise, the build is modestly effective and I am able to complete my objective fairly quickly.

No one is forcing you into pvp… especially for one ticket. You are going in with a less than helpful mindset and perspective, ungeared, unprepared and then complaining about pvp in a pvp area.

I suppose the reverse is very true when you think about it. If you are a PVP player you generally are forced to do a lot of PVE as well. And if you have ever tried to do PVE content using a PVP build and gear it is equally awful.

Four_Fingers

It is a darn shame they don't have a daily endeavor, "Complain about PvP X times on the forum".

driosketch

Everyone knows about Arena district. Arboretum and Memorial are also fairly easy, part of the quest can be completed from the platform. If your alliance controls one of these, it makes it easier because you can just quickly respawn back on the platform if you die. Don't take death personally, just get up and run to the next objective. A Nightbblade or even a stage 4 vampire are pretty useful for this. Even a stealth potion may help you get past a troublesome player to grab an objective.

Fun fact about the skeletons in Memorial district, you can run up and activate while the mobs are starting to aggro, then run off to the next before they attack. It's how I've been grabbing my IC tickets.

reazea

spartaxoxo wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

Someone who just furnishes homes can't do anything other than furnish more homes. It takes imagination to do housing in ESO, but it takes zero skill or experience.

Totally untrue. My homes now are far better than my earliest homes. It took time and experience to push housing to the limit.

I've also seen plenty of PvPers be absolutely trash in even basic vet dungeons, and vice versa with PvErs falling over very easily.

They are different skill sets. And while I have no doubt that many of the top .1% are skilled at both, ignoring 99% of a data set to make such a sweeping claim does not make sense. Especially since PvP often needs to PvE to get things as they level but the same is not true the other way around. So, they naturally have more exposure to PvE content.

And that's why a good PvP player can complete all the content in the game; because they have to be good at both PvE first, then also good at PvP. Anyone can excel at housing. Like other posters pointed out, housing takes no skill or experience. Anyone can do it. The same can not be reasonably asserted about a player that struggles through vet dungeons and never engages in any of the challenging content in ESO.

spartaxoxo

reazea wrote: »

And that's why a good PvP player can complete all the content in the game; because they have to be good at both PvE first, then also good at PvP

Uh no. Getting good at PvE is what made them good at PvE.

Comparing a novice PvPer to an expert PvErs and then saying it's not the totally different amount of experience, but PvP, that makes them better is just ridiculous.

Housing not taking skill is objectively incorrect. Anyone who does housing gets better at it overtime, like any other skill. It's very easy to tell a novice house to a someone who has a talent or skill for it.

Highwayman

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Housing not taking skill is objectively incorrect. Anyone who does housing gets better at it overtime, like any other skill. It's very easy to tell a novice house to a someone who has a talent or skill for it.

I think the only way to settle this is pick some objective judges and have a speed decorating competition. We'll need some method to measure apm while placing furnishings to settle any ties.

VisitHammerfell

I feel the same way about having to do random dungeons with group finder for transmutes, it's torture. Undaunted Event is my personal hell that I have to suffer through for the Opal pages. We all have something we don't like. Get your quests done ahead of time to turn in if it's that big of a deal.

LaintalAy

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ToRelax

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

PvP was literally a sales pitch for this game.

Keep in mind, that was 10 years ago and lest you forget the dark times that was pre-pivot, ESO was not in a good place prior to One Tamriel. Mount Specific Training, VR ranks, no Craft Bag, empty Cadwell's Silver/Gold servers, etc. People keep bringing up that PvP was an original marketing strategy, but how many people are still here from those day? What % of the population are they and if they did exist during those dark times did they come for PvP and stay or come because it was an ES game?

Ah yes, the dark age of 2014.

Of course most players who tried out a new MMO ten years ago aren't playing it now. People's lives change over a time like that. Some of them were teenagers back then.
For the ones who remain in my contact list and keep coming back, the draw was usually both. Elder Scrolls and (good) PvP. Same as now.

darvaria

You pick up scouting quests. Then you check maps. Most of the time I can port to a keep somewhere and "scout". Sometimes I do it on DC and sometimes on EP. I never have to walk far.

2nd way. Tank up. Go to a thinly populated server. Get a capture resource. Go to the center and set a fire balista in front of the flag group. You can kill all with one fire ballista. Just tank and hold block. I've soled capped 100's of resources like this. Aggro as few NPC's as possible. Just hold block for one in tower while capping. Meats do more damage but fire ballista will kill anyone in front of it. You just sort of stretch in front of it and pull npcs there and fire. You don't have to kill all npcs to cap only ones on flag. I know the aggro terrain so well I can often cap with only killing the 4 in center if you do it right.

Trick: Pick up quests on server where your faction doesn't hold much. Then you get a close resource or scouting mission. Then go to a map where your faction holds most of the map. That way you can port close.

When you are done, simply port to IC (avoids a lot of riding). And then port back to any server and turn in.

spartaxoxo

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I feel the same way about having to do random dungeons with group finder for transmutes, it's torture. Undaunted Event is my personal hell that I have to suffer through for the Opal pages. We all have something we don't like. Get your quests done ahead of time to turn in if it's that big of a deal.

Housing isn't an APM thing. Honestly you can ask good builders to show your the first thing they ever decorated and the latest thing and you'll see the difference for the majority. Assuming they haven't modified them. If someone thinks it takes the same skill to build a ship from Star Wars out of random household items as it does to put a flower in a pot, then idk what to tell you. Interior decoration is also a skill. Even if you aren't creating elaborate cobbles.

sarahthes

Y'all comparing Monet and Simone Biles with your insistence that housing and endgame PvE/PvP are the same skill set.

Comparing PvP and PvE is more like Biles and that pommel horse guy. PvE skill is a subset of the skills you need in PvP (buffs/debuffs, light attack weaving, burst windows, etc).

spartaxoxo

sarahthes wrote: »

Y'all comparing Monet and Simone Biles with your insistence that housing and endgame PvE/PvP are the same skill set.

Comparing PvP and PvE is more like Biles and that pommel horse guy. PvE skill is a subset of the skills you need in PvP (buffs/debuffs, light attack weaving, burst windows, etc).

Nobody said it was the same skill set. Some of us argued that Monet simply has a different skill set to Simone. Others have argued that what Money does, does not take any skill or experience.

sarahthes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Y'all comparing Monet and Simone Biles with your insistence that housing and endgame PvE/PvP are the same skill set.

Comparing PvP and PvE is more like Biles and that pommel horse guy. PvE skill is a subset of the skills you need in PvP (buffs/debuffs, light attack weaving, burst windows, etc).

Nobody said it was the same skill set. Some of us argued that Monet simply has a different skill set to Simone. Others have argued that what Money does, does not take any skill or experience.

Housing, while requiring some level of skill, doesn't really require gamer skill. It's more an aesthetic thing.

spartaxoxo

sarahthes wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Y'all comparing Monet and Simone Biles with your insistence that housing and endgame PvE/PvP are the same skill set.

Comparing PvP and PvE is more like Biles and that pommel horse guy. PvE skill is a subset of the skills you need in PvP (buffs/debuffs, light attack weaving, burst windows, etc).

Nobody said it was the same skill set. Some of us argued that Monet simply has a different skill set to Simone. Others have argued that what Money does, does not take any skill or experience.

Housing, while requiring some level of skill, doesn't really require gamer skill. It's more an aesthetic thing.

It doesn't require combat skills. It is not just an aesthetic thing. How you build things in a video game is completely different to real life. And this is hardly the only video game with housing.

SilverBride

sarahthes wrote: »

Y'all comparing Monet and Simone Biles with your insistence that housing and endgame PvE/PvP are the same skill set.

I said the exact opposite of this. I said that the skill sets for PvP and PvE and Housing are all different and therefore can't be equally compared because it's apples and oranges. BUT they all take skill relevant to their content, and no one is any more of an indicator of success than another.

Bithabus

You can get 2 tickets a day in cyrodil without doing any pvp at all. An easy way is to find a campaign where your team has nothing and go get a scouting quest, then switch to a campaign where your side owns the whole map and complete the quest. The bounty quests are also very easy and fast.

xDeusEJRx

PVE players get most of the events in the year and therefore most of the event tickets: I sleep

PVP players get 3 events in the year (imperial city event and 2 mayhems): Zos please delete pvp from the game

DinoZavr

@JimFord047 Dear OP, there are so many options for you.
No offense. i am utterly bad at PVP, though this is not a reason to skip the event for me.
(also - doing just one daily town quest in Cyro is normally fast and easy, less than five minutes)

1. You prepare quests in advance. You would need quite a lot of characters, but creating and raising a toon up to level 10 does not take an eternity. You do one scouting quest in Cyro and one district quest in IC. During the event you simply turn the quests in. No fighting necessary. For doing the scouting quests - you get the quest in the Campaign your Alliance controls minimum territory, but travel to the destination in the Campaign where it dominates, so you most likely travel within your Alliance land. For IC - two districts are easy - Elven Gardens might be done with stealth and no fighting at all, Nobles district - very little fighting. And there are off-peak times to complete the objectives.
(Multiple toons pays off in many other ways, though: crafting dailies, walking bags, etc)
(also, considering you need only ten tickets you can skip Imperial City part at all)

2. You hoard 10 tickets in advance and simply skip the entire event. Then you can buy the necessary fragment with no participation at all. I use this tactics for paywalled events i simply can not participate (and the last Q3 event this year is Gold Road one - i don't own a new Chapter, so i will hoard 10 tickets at the end of the second Q3 event (Undaunted))
(i have a habit to leave 10 ticket untouched at the end of any event unless something uber shiny is offered, because of - see next point)

3. You can skip an event with no hoarding tickets. It is not 100% guaranteed, but the last Q4 event (New Life) normally provides players an opportunity to "catch up" (offering a lot of tickets and previous quarters stuff) if they missed some events because of vacations, hospital, life, or other distractions.
(though it tends to work OKay if you miss only one event a year, or if several - if you decided to sacrifice Q4 reward for the previous quarters rewards (this is what i plan to do on my new alt account - if Q4 reward is not a house - i'll exchange it for a Doomchar Plateau fragments))

4. You can go into Cyro in a tank build, into IC in a stealth build. During off-peak hours. And it normally is not much a hustle.
(though if attacked - hold block, this signals your foe you are not intending to fight. sometimes it works. seldom, though
don't enter IC carrying TevVars, bank them first. respawning at a base is not much a drama, just an annoyance)
(also if your quest objective is heavily camped/contended - try changing the Campaign)

5. If it happens you have many PVP friends - go with your guildmates and friends blob! So you offer your true friends an exciting challenging daily quest "Protect the looney!" (jokes aside - ask your guildies for help, ESO is a MMO, after all..)

6. Also there is an option to buy Tickets for Crowns, though it is insanely expensive. But still - can be used as the last resort.

edit: fixed one typo.

Elvenheart

Pushing people into ESO is wrong 🤣

<Steps off joke box and hides under a rock>

RexyCat

Bithabus wrote: »

You can get 2 tickets a day in cyrodil without doing any pvp at all. An easy way is to find a campaign where your team has nothing and go get a scouting quest, then switch to a campaign where your side owns the whole map and complete the quest. The bounty quests are also very easy and fast.

There are several quest hubs in Cyrodiil which anybody can do which doesn't have any condition where need to kill any player at all.

All AVA Towns and Settlement work as quest hubs where you can interact with two Daily quest NPC. That is all you need to do in Cyrendiil to get MYM reward including two tickets for Event (first Daily after reset).

AVA Towns
Settlement:

Bruma
(Scroll down for more Settlement where there is quests from Bruma link)

I think have had something around 40 chests to open from only doing different quest from Cyrendiil including the one from Bounty Hunter passive which you can pick up from an Inn in starting area (I believe it is only two quest you can do from this NPC and you need to have unlocked Fighters Guild Passive Bounty).

Bounty Hunter (FG passive which have quest giver in Cyrendiil)


It is the same if anybody gets tired of Cyrendiil and want to do PvE quests in Imperial City. You have plenty of quest giver right where you spawn after interacting with ladder up for each sector in IC and there is Billboard and some quest giver in the Home base in the Sewers.

Most gankers are above ground so use the Sewers to get some Skill point, TV chest etc while you run around or back to home base while avoiding the big bad Dreamora bosses which can kill you rather fast if you aren't in a group or prepared with gear to handle drain mechanic etc.

katanagirl1

Ty

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

JimFord047 wrote: »

Best Part of an hour and a half, just to get A TICKET, in imperial city , I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE, All I want is a Ticket.

But I am forced to be in there to get it... I have found out that if you stand still with your shield up, then MOST people will simply let you go on your way, or up and down crouch tried that it also worked...

But one player Menzo.....zan , nope , he just kills me, easy point for them, they not getting hit, so no damage, they are going around the daily area simply killing because they can, I went back in as AD, and asked to be allowed to do the daily, and they ignored that, i watched him kill off low level players, all trying to do the daily ... They are a waste of this effort. And because they are DELIBERATE in messing with people, their Comms are off, not that they care as proved by ignoring another one of their own faction.


This is Just WRONG !!!! want tickets , then suffer !!! have your day ruined by wasting your time!!

and They wonder why people lose their temper!!! this has to stop, give people options!

Got the ticket , and I am Off for the day... meant to be playing with friends tonight, that's a NO, had enough hassle for the day. I will have more extra drugs and read a book, more satisfying

I had to be pushed into PvP when I first started...back in 2015. Now I'm addicted to PvP and could do without PvE and be totally fine. PvP is the true test of skill in ESO. So it's the most fun and the most disappointing at the same time. You either get wrecked or do the wrecking.

Well I totally agree with what you said.