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ZOS, Please Respond to the very low Style Page Drop Rates
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grinding quickly turns from somethingSilverBride wrote: »Sitting in a spot and killing a boss every 5 mins, all while watching netflix, and making a ton of gold in doing so, was a fair enough experience for me.
It certainly isn't for me. I don't watch TV when I am playing. I don't even have a TV in this room. If I am playing ESO that is where my attention is. If I want to watch TV I log off and go in the other room and give that my attention.
But sitting watching Netflix for 5 minutes, killing a boss, going back to Netflix isn't really playing ESO or participating and enjoying the anniversary event.
No I think you misunderstand, watching netflix (and also a bit of youtube) on a second screen (tablet or phone) while playing. Not pausing it to kill a boss for 20 seconds.
like, I watched 3 hours of the Critical Role stream last night while I hung out at a world boss. Something I would have done anyways. And I earned boxes while I did it.
I wrote a 15 page paper for a class one day while sitting at a geyser. At least I got that done...cuz I still haven't had any success with the drops lol. Engaging gameplay.
I did end up chatting with another person sitting there all day so I guess it's bringing people together in our misery?
Why are you parked at one geyser? Its alot faster to do them all in a loop.
When 1 is done travel to next one active on map.
No wonder it takes some players hours to get a drop.
They were writing a 15 page paper… I am sure there were others trying to cook dinner between geysers, or helping their kid with their homework, or doing their taxes even.
There are forces outside of the game, not everyone can (or even want to) sit and farm geysers with 100% of their attention for hours. That was the problem with this terrible event.8 -
Desiato✭✭✭✭✭
✭They were writing a 15 page paper… I am sure there were others trying to cook dinner between geysers, or helping their kid with their homework, or doing their taxes even.
There are forces outside of the game, not everyone can (or even want to) sit and farm geysers with 100% of their attention for hours. That was the problem with this terrible event.
I guess when I'm too busy to play ESO, I should expect ZOS to send me all the new loot anyway. Why not, if I'm subbed, right?spending a year dead for tax reasons4 -
Soraka✭✭✭✭✭
*Not completely the same but similar imoSilverBride wrote: »Sitting in a spot and killing a boss every 5 mins, all while watching netflix, and making a ton of gold in doing so, was a fair enough experience for me.
It certainly isn't for me. I don't watch TV when I am playing. I don't even have a TV in this room. If I am playing ESO that is where my attention is. If I want to watch TV I log off and go in the other room and give that my attention.
But sitting watching Netflix for 5 minutes, killing a boss, going back to Netflix isn't really playing ESO or participating and enjoying the anniversary event.
No I think you misunderstand, watching netflix (and also a bit of youtube) on a second screen (tablet or phone) while playing. Not pausing it to kill a boss for 20 seconds.
like, I watched 3 hours of the Critical Role stream last night while I hung out at a world boss. Something I would have done anyways. And I earned boxes while I did it.
I wrote a 15 page paper for a class one day while sitting at a geyser. At least I got that done...cuz I still haven't had any success with the drops lol. Engaging gameplay.
I did end up chatting with another person sitting there all day so I guess it's bringing people together in our misery?
Why are you parked at one geyser? Its alot faster to do them all in a loop.
When 1 is done travel to next one active on map.
No wonder it takes some players hours to get a drop.
Because grinding is not my jam and as I said, I had a lot of other stuff to do. It was the best compromise I could do with myself to get my irl obligations done and participate in the grind. I have done the round and round run as well, but I'm not inclined to do that all day.
Edit to add: I'm obviously not expecting all the same rewards as those who choose to dedicate all their time to this. However, when I am talking to people who spent all day doing only that and they have just as little to show for it, perhaps it is not a failing on my part to not dedicate all my time to something I don't like to end up with the same result as part time due to rng and lack of options on how to earn. I'll end up with burnout.
I'd rather be in Cyrodiil.Edited by Soraka on April 21, 2024 3:23PM5 -
XSTRONG✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Sitting in a spot and killing a boss every 5 mins, all while watching netflix, and making a ton of gold in doing so, was a fair enough experience for me.
It certainly isn't for me. I don't watch TV when I am playing. I don't even have a TV in this room. If I am playing ESO that is where my attention is. If I want to watch TV I log off and go in the other room and give that my attention.
But sitting watching Netflix for 5 minutes, killing a boss, going back to Netflix isn't really playing ESO or participating and enjoying the anniversary event.
No I think you misunderstand, watching netflix (and also a bit of youtube) on a second screen (tablet or phone) while playing. Not pausing it to kill a boss for 20 seconds.
like, I watched 3 hours of the Critical Role stream last night while I hung out at a world boss. Something I would have done anyways. And I earned boxes while I did it.
I wrote a 15 page paper for a class one day while sitting at a geyser. At least I got that done...cuz I still haven't had any success with the drops lol. Engaging gameplay.
I did end up chatting with another person sitting there all day so I guess it's bringing people together in our misery?
Why are you parked at one geyser? Its alot faster to do them all in a loop.
When 1 is done travel to next one active on map.
No wonder it takes some players hours to get a drop.
Because grinding is not my jam and as I said, I had a lot of other stuff to do. It was the best compromise I could do with myself to get my irl obligations done and participate in the grind. I have done the round and round run as well, but I'm not inclined to do that all day.
Edit to add: I'm obviously not expecting all the same rewards as those who choose to dedicate all their time to this. However, when I am talking to people who spent all day doing only that and they have just as little to show for it, perhaps it is not a failing on my part to not dedicate all my time to something I don't like to end up with the same result as part time due to rng and lack of options on how to earn. I'll end up with burnout.
I'd rather be in Cyrodiil.
Ok I understand some players dont want to do the grind or dont have time.
But if you dont want to participate in a certain game activity to achieve a certain item or you dont have the time to play, why should Zos just make it super easy for you get them?
I and many more have a full time job and still where able to farm these style pages effectivly when we had time to do so.
If a player are parked at 1 geyser or 1 dolmen to obtain a very low RNG drop, of course it would take you a stupid amount of time to get that drop, while you have done 2 geysers other ones have done 12 in the same time.2 -
Soraka✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Sitting in a spot and killing a boss every 5 mins, all while watching netflix, and making a ton of gold in doing so, was a fair enough experience for me.
It certainly isn't for me. I don't watch TV when I am playing. I don't even have a TV in this room. If I am playing ESO that is where my attention is. If I want to watch TV I log off and go in the other room and give that my attention.
But sitting watching Netflix for 5 minutes, killing a boss, going back to Netflix isn't really playing ESO or participating and enjoying the anniversary event.
No I think you misunderstand, watching netflix (and also a bit of youtube) on a second screen (tablet or phone) while playing. Not pausing it to kill a boss for 20 seconds.
like, I watched 3 hours of the Critical Role stream last night while I hung out at a world boss. Something I would have done anyways. And I earned boxes while I did it.
I wrote a 15 page paper for a class one day while sitting at a geyser. At least I got that done...cuz I still haven't had any success with the drops lol. Engaging gameplay.
I did end up chatting with another person sitting there all day so I guess it's bringing people together in our misery?
Why are you parked at one geyser? Its alot faster to do them all in a loop.
When 1 is done travel to next one active on map.
No wonder it takes some players hours to get a drop.
Because grinding is not my jam and as I said, I had a lot of other stuff to do. It was the best compromise I could do with myself to get my irl obligations done and participate in the grind. I have done the round and round run as well, but I'm not inclined to do that all day.
Edit to add: I'm obviously not expecting all the same rewards as those who choose to dedicate all their time to this. However, when I am talking to people who spent all day doing only that and they have just as little to show for it, perhaps it is not a failing on my part to not dedicate all my time to something I don't like to end up with the same result as part time due to rng and lack of options on how to earn. I'll end up with burnout.
I'd rather be in Cyrodiil.
Ok I understand some players dont want to do the grind or dont have time.
But if you dont want to participate in a certain game activity to achieve a certain item or you dont have the time to play, why should Zos just make it super easy for you get them?
I and many more have a full time job and still where able to farm these style pages effectivly when we had time to do so.
If a player are parked at 1 geyser or 1 dolmen to obtain a very low RNG drop, of course it would take you a stupid amount of time to get that drop, while you have done 2 geysers other ones have done 12 in the same time.2200 fish before I got the Trueflame, my only page so far.
612 dolmens, no page.
522 Geysers, no page.
I haven't counted the world bosses in Vvardenfell, but it hasn't been insignificant.
RNG has not been on my side this event.
It's one thing to expect it to take more work/longer. It's another to doubt even that will work.
It's an unengaging [snip] way to implement bound unique rewards targeted at celebrating a diverse player base that they spent 10 years gathering.
[edited for minor bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 23, 2024 11:25AM9 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess when I'm too busy to play ESO, I should expect ZOS to send me all the new loot anyway. Why not, if I'm subbed, right?
What about those of us that have spent hours every day for countless days on end and still haven't gotten a drop? Today will be my 9th day trying to get Sunna'rah. I've put in the time and the effort and anything that still isn't dropping after dedicating an entire work week grinding for it needs to be looked at.
These style page drop rates have completely destroyed what should be a happy and rewarding celebration.PCNA16 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They were writing a 15 page paper… I am sure there were others trying to cook dinner between geysers, or helping their kid with their homework, or doing their taxes even.
There are forces outside of the game, not everyone can (or even want to) sit and farm geysers with 100% of their attention for hours. That was the problem with this terrible event.
I guess when I'm too busy to play ESO, I should expect ZOS to send me all the new loot anyway. Why not, if I'm subbed, right?
Or they could have chosen something that did not take hours upon hours of people’s time.
There was a TON of different ways they could have given out the style pages, but they chose a horrible low chance grind as the exclusive way.
The excuses I see justifying this event are bizarre.SilverBride wrote: »Sitting in a spot and killing a boss every 5 mins, all while watching netflix, and making a ton of gold in doing so, was a fair enough experience for me.
It certainly isn't for me. I don't watch TV when I am playing. I don't even have a TV in this room. If I am playing ESO that is where my attention is. If I want to watch TV I log off and go in the other room and give that my attention.
But sitting watching Netflix for 5 minutes, killing a boss, going back to Netflix isn't really playing ESO or participating and enjoying the anniversary event.
No I think you misunderstand, watching netflix (and also a bit of youtube) on a second screen (tablet or phone) while playing. Not pausing it to kill a boss for 20 seconds.
like, I watched 3 hours of the Critical Role stream last night while I hung out at a world boss. Something I would have done anyways. And I earned boxes while I did it.
I wrote a 15 page paper for a class one day while sitting at a geyser. At least I got that done...cuz I still haven't had any success with the drops lol. Engaging gameplay.
I did end up chatting with another person sitting there all day so I guess it's bringing people together in our misery?
Why are you parked at one geyser? Its alot faster to do them all in a loop.
When 1 is done travel to next one active on map.
No wonder it takes some players hours to get a drop.
Because grinding is not my jam and as I said, I had a lot of other stuff to do. It was the best compromise I could do with myself to get my irl obligations done and participate in the grind. I have done the round and round run as well, but I'm not inclined to do that all day.
Edit to add: I'm obviously not expecting all the same rewards as those who choose to dedicate all their time to this. However, when I am talking to people who spent all day doing only that and they have just as little to show for it, perhaps it is not a failing on my part to not dedicate all my time to something I don't like to end up with the same result as part time due to rng and lack of options on how to earn. I'll end up with burnout.
I'd rather be in Cyrodiil.
Ok I understand some players dont want to do the grind or dont have time.
But if you dont want to participate in a certain game activity to achieve a certain item or you dont have the time to play, why should Zos just make it super easy for you get them?
I and many more have a full time job and still where able to farm these style pages effectivly when we had time to do so.
If a player are parked at 1 geyser or 1 dolmen to obtain a very low RNG drop, of course it would take you a stupid amount of time to get that drop, while you have done 2 geysers other ones have done 12 in the same time.
“Super easy…”
It’s either grind for hours every day, for days, or it has to be super easy.
There is no “in between” here?
How about if you accumulate “X” number of jubilee gold boxes the styles to unlock?
How about clear all the world bosses in a particular zone for a style page, and then clear another zone for a different one?
Etc…
It does not have to be super easy OR a monumental grind.11 -
reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭These drop rates were clearly designed to increase participation rates and hours played. They were not designed to increase the fun of the anniversary event. They were designed to increase hours played.
I did so much boss grinding yesterday that my eyes started to burn and I had to stop. Today I still feel dazed and dumber.
I don't think anyone at ZOS has considered the long term impacts on their reputation for putting players through this if they want to get the limited time style pages.
Edited by reazea on April 26, 2024 3:15PM20 -
PrincessOfThieves✭✭✭✭✭
✭I give up. Only got 1 of these style pages, tried to farm others but I simply don't have time nor motivation to farm world bosses and incursions for 20+ hours.6 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The extremely low drop rates and the lack of communication are really hurting the players experience. I don't understand why it was done this way.Edited by SilverBride on April 21, 2024 4:26PMPCNA19 -
Arizona_Steve✭✭✭✭I read these, and as someone who was fortunate enough to get all of the drops in the first three days of the event, I feel bad for those that are trying day after day and getting nothing. RNG should not be a factor in any event, there are plenty of dailies, dungeons and other activities that could award the items after a number of them are completed.
ZOS should be able to figure out those who have made the effort and award them the item(s) at the end of the event.Wannabe Thalmor - Altmer MagSorc7 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Arizona_Steve wrote: »...as someone who was fortunate enough to get all of the drops in the first three days of the event...
That's another thing I noticed. My friend started grinding the first day of the event and got all 5 pages in a few days. And I've heard of others that started early getting them all.
I didn't start the grind seriously for a couple of days and have been trying for my last drop for 9 days now.
I'd like clarification if the drop rates were made even more rare when the descriptions were changed.PCNA3 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Arizona_Steve wrote: »...as someone who was fortunate enough to get all of the drops in the first three days of the event...
That's another thing I noticed. My friend started grinding the first day of the event and got all 5 pages in a few days. And I've heard of others that started early getting them all.
I didn't start the grind seriously for a couple of days and have been trying for my last drop for 9 days now.
I'd like clarification if the drop rates were made even more rare when the descriptions were changed.
Chance of timing and RNG IMO. I didn’t start right away because I heard the geysers were overcrowded and I thought they might become less so, and I wasn’t sure the drop rate was going to be high enough to be worth trying for. So I started trying for them last weekend, got the third that I wanted by this past Thursday.0 -
hiyde✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »I don't understand why it was done this way.
Perhaps you'll understand better when they drop the Infographics showing what a raging success the participation in this event was. 854 bajillion Vvardenfell bosses killed!@Hiyde GM/Founder - Bleakrock Barter Co (Trade Guild - PC/NA) | Blackbriar Barter Co (Trade Guild-PC/NA)12 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I don't understand why it was done this way.
Perhaps you'll understand better when they drop the Infographics showing what a raging success the participation in this event was. 854 bajillion Vvardenfell bosses killed!
All anyone would have to do is read the forums or listen to Vvardenfell zone chat to see why there were so many kills. These show failure rather than success.PCNA7 -
DirtyDeeds765✭✭✭✭I've been monitoring this thread and I wasn't going to comment.. and I pride myself on being someone who can grind endlessly for hours and hours and be fine..
But 500 geysers in and nothing is absolutely insane. 30 hours of grinding and still no staff.
I got the sword after about 2 hours fishing. I got the staff of worms after about 2 hours doing dolmens.
I'm fine with making the drops rare. But the RNG shouldn't be so out of control people are grinding for 7 or 8 hours a day for a week plus without getting a drop.
And the worst part is, the drops go away when the event ends. I don't think there would be the uproar there is if we didn't feel pressured by time - fearing that we'll never have a chance to get them again if we don't by event end.
Make it hard to get, sure. But similarly to dungeons and the curation system, give us a light at the end of the tunnel. Make it so that the maximum amount of casts, boss kills, and world events we have to do is 500 each. Its still hard, its still alot, the drop can come anywhere between 1 - 500 attempts, but its still doable.
People doing upwards of 1,000 geysers with no guarantee that it will come anytime soon and under the gun of time, isn't just RNG. Its RNdiculous.
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creeker5✭✭✭Arizona_Steve wrote: »I read these, and as someone who was fortunate enough to get all of the drops in the first three days of the event, I feel bad for those that are trying day after day and getting nothing. RNG should not be a factor in any event, there are plenty of dailies, dungeons and other activities that could award the items after a number of them are completed.
ZOS should be able to figure out those who have made the effort and award them the item(s) at the end of the event.
I agree, I finally got my 4th of 5th style page at 4AM from a dolmen after grinding all day. I did over 400 dolmens to get it. I even began to second guess myself, thinking I may have got it on another character and didn't realize it and logged into my other characters to check. I got the fishing one on my second cast. My wife got the dolmen one in less than one 5 dolmens.
I feel bad for the people who do not have the time to put into grinding the pages they want. I have spent more time than I care to admit farming these pages. I also I know I am in the minority. I play way more than the average player, and still I only have 4 of the 5 pages.
[snip] It is a shame casual players who don't have the time because of real life won't get the pages they want.
[edited for conspiracy theory]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 23, 2024 11:31AM5 -
Stafford197✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I guess when I'm too busy to play ESO, I should expect ZOS to send me all the new loot anyway. Why not, if I'm subbed, right?
What about those of us that have spent hours every day for countless days on end and still haven't gotten a drop? Today will be my 9th day trying to get Sunna'rah. I've put in the time and the effort and anything that still isn't dropping after dedicating an entire work week grinding for it needs to be looked at.
These style page drop rates have completely destroyed what should be a happy and rewarding celebration.
I hope the best for you!
I’ve spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to get the style page from Abyssal Geysers, and I know others who are stuck farming world bosses or dolmens. Most likely I will be unable to get this style despite hundreds of geyser completions. I’m taking a nice break from ESO after this.6 -
Carcamongus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »By now, the best we can probably do is ask them to bring the 5 replicas back at some other point in time and to make them less difficult to obtain.
That's not the best we can do. We can ask, suggest, and beg them to increase the drop rates for the rest of this event now.
Making these so rare than many won't be able to ever get them is NOT in the spirit of a milestone celebration and it's causing a lot of stress among the playerbase.
They're not changing the drop rates for this event, especially considering how there are only a few days left. Players complained from the beginning and the only change the devs made was in the announcement text. I of course agree the excessive rarity is not in the spirit of a milestone celebration and it's stressing many players. However, asking, suggesting and begging for a change now will come to nothing, whereas asking and suggesting for the pages to return and to be more easily obtainable could yield results.Imperial DK and Necro tank. PC/NA
"Nothing is so bad that it can't get any worse." (Brazilian saying)5 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Carcamongus wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Carcamongus wrote: »By now, the best we can probably do is ask them to bring the 5 replicas back at some other point in time and to make them less difficult to obtain.
That's not the best we can do. We can ask, suggest, and beg them to increase the drop rates for the rest of this event now.
Making these so rare than many won't be able to ever get them is NOT in the spirit of a milestone celebration and it's causing a lot of stress among the playerbase.
They're not changing the drop rates for this event, especially considering how there are only a few days left. Players complained from the beginning and the only change the devs made was in the announcement text. I of course agree the excessive rarity is not in the spirit of a milestone celebration and it's stressing many players. However, asking, suggesting and begging for a change now will come to nothing, whereas asking and suggesting for the pages to return and to be more easily obtainable could yield results.
I will still ask.PCNA3 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've not always been happy with the way everything has been done in my years of playing but this is the first time I've actually been angry. This has ruined what should be a very fun and rewarding anniversary.Edited by SilverBride on April 21, 2024 9:40PMPCNA8 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In light of how horrendous these drop rates are and what a high stressor it's been for the players, I really thought someone would address this...PCNA5 -
MidniteOwl1913✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverBride wrote: »In light of how horrendous these drop rates are and what a high stressor it's been for the players, I really thought someone would address this...
After they did nothing the first few days, and then when all they did was edit the event text to make all the items minor chance I believe nothing would be done because it was working as intended.
It would have been nice for them to say why, they decided to perpetrate this on the players for what was supposed to be a celebration, but there it is...
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a valid concern by the players and deserves some kind of explanation.Edited by SilverBride on April 23, 2024 5:00AMPCNA2 -
VisitHammerfell✭✭✭✭Event ends in less than 8 hours and still only 3 of 5 pages on my main account/server ☹️
I hope the pages return for the console anniversary next year, this stinks. Sad little defeated party here at the Queen's Consort at 2 AM....Edited by VisitHammerfell on April 23, 2024 6:03AMFOR THE COVENANT! 🦁
PS NA 2300+
PS EU 1500+
PS NA Alt 600+
Bring back Crafty Lerisa & Sergeant Seyne
The dwarven spider enthusiast0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am kind of glad that it’s ending.
I just want to put this behind me and think of something less aggravating like [insert real world topic that is extremely aggravating that would be removed by forum admins].3 -
Carcamongus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VisitHammerfell wrote: »Event ends in less than 8 hours and still only 3 of 5 pages on my main account/server ☹️
I hope the pages return for the console anniversary next year, this stinks. Sad little defeated party here at the Queen's Consort at 2 AM....
I'm sorry you weren't able to collect them all. This is not how a celebration should feel.Imperial DK and Necro tank. PC/NA
"Nothing is so bad that it can't get any worse." (Brazilian saying)2
