"You will not be able to outfit your character in class styles other than your current class."

tomofhyrule

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

This whole discussion about "class specific" style should not be wear specifically for each class, is just redundant tbh. It makes sense in the context of the world's fantasy, it is called "class style", it has specific glow with coordinated color for each class, it has specific class sigil on the chest, it's basically a uniform for specific class. I really appreciate seeing someone with yellow glow and immediately can tell that was a templar. The whole "fashion should not be restricted" reason is lost on me, because I sure don't want to see someone IRL, dress like a policeman, walking around the neighborhood, but is actually an insurance salesman.

I honestly wish for more class identity, more things that make me feel like fantasy of my class is acknowledged by the game's world. Class specific sets, quests, challenges, etc. But if we can't even have a class specific outfit style (like, just 1), then we are at lost with class identity at this point. "But class identity is all about gameplay", if so, then ZOS should add new class skill styles. Just make all templar skills green, and see how the community would react.

Respectfully, I think this is a disingenuous argument.

• If this were considered a 'class uniform,' then should it not be required that all players of a given class wear it? Going back to your police example - while plainclothes cops do exist, it is the standard that most police should be in uniform.
• Is it not also the case that non-police officers can wear facsimilies of the uniform, e.g. costumes?
• No other set in the game includes the glow, and that glow was not enforced in the styles in U40 (it was added in U41. Yes, the set had the glow in U40, but the styles were previewable and did not glow). If a character wants the glow specifically, what is to stop them from wearing the actual set itself? But despite some styles coming from sets that have effects (the Dro-m'Athra style comes to mind, as every Maw of Lorkhaj set will put a permanent blue glow on the weapons), wearing a full set of Dro-m'Athra in the outfit station does not cause a glow.
• Your example of "class identity is about effect color" is lost on the fact that almost every question about Skill Styling led to "can I change the color of my Arcanist beam?" Evidently changing the color of class skills is highly requested.

I cannot imagine the Class Outfits are about class identity since they are not mandated. Once even 50% of the playerbase is forced to wear it against their will, I'll concede that point. But as it is now, that's about as correct as saying "Nightblade identity is using a bow because Grim Focus makes a spectral bow, so if you're using any weapon other than bow/bow on a Nightblade, you're doing it wrong."

This_0ne

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

This whole discussion about "class specific" style should not be wear specifically for each class, is just redundant tbh. It makes sense in the context of the world's fantasy, it is called "class style", it has specific glow with coordinated color for each class, it has specific class sigil on the chest, it's basically a uniform for specific class. I really appreciate seeing someone with yellow glow and immediately can tell that was a templar. The whole "fashion should not be restricted" reason is lost on me, because I sure don't want to see someone IRL, dress like a policeman, walking around the neighborhood, but is actually an insurance salesman.

I honestly wish for more class identity, more things that make me feel like fantasy of my class is acknowledged by the game's world. Class specific sets, quests, challenges, etc. But if we can't even have a class specific outfit style (like, just 1), then we are at lost with class identity at this point. "But class identity is all about gameplay", if so, then ZOS should add new class skill styles. Just make all templar skills green, and see how the community would react.

soon the set with blue-violet lightning will look very silly on the scarlet sorcerer

Inari Telvanni

I still stand by the fact this is a major misstep on ZOS' part. The outfitting system is about freedom, to break away from how fashion worked in the early days of ESO. What changed?

OtarTheMad

Inari Telvanni wrote: »

I still stand by the fact this is a major misstep on ZOS' part. The outfitting system is about freedom, to break away from how fashion worked in the early days of ESO. What changed?

I agree. I mean I can wear AD gear as an EP, Dark Elf style as an Imperial and I can make an Auri-El loving High Elf wear Daedric but I can’t dress like a Sorc as a Templar? Thats the line? LoL.

LunaFlora

at least update 43's new class sets don't use a new style so there aren't any extra class specific styles currently.

SnakeDodger

I just found out about this. What the actual...

Seriously, though, this isn't how you push class identity, at all. What an astronomically bad idea, but more importantly, there is literally nothing preventing them to change it.
Fashion is a huge part of the game, this random restriction does nothing except hurt it, literally, you can get the page without any warning whatsoever that you won't be able to use it, and then what? cry? This isn't going to incentivize people to go play that other class just so they can wear an outfit. I am throughly outraged by this lol, it's genuinely baffling to me. It's been a while, but i do hope they revert it, i honestly don't understand how it didn't occur at any stage of development that this was not...a great idea at all. CHANGE ITTTT

This_0ne

SnakeDodger wrote: »

I just found out about this. What the actual...

Seriously, though, this isn't how you push class identity, at all. What an astronomically bad idea, but more importantly, there is literally nothing preventing them to change it.
Fashion is a huge part of the game, this random restriction does nothing except hurt it, literally, you can get the page without any warning whatsoever that you won't be able to use it, and then what? cry? This isn't going to incentivize people to go play that other class just so they can wear an outfit. I am throughly outraged by this lol, it's genuinely baffling to me. It's been a while, but i do hope they revert it, i honestly don't understand how it didn't occur at any stage of development that this was not...a great idea at all. CHANGE ITTTT

not to mention that since then styles for skills have come out and now sorc can shoot scarlet charges, in the colors typical for nb! and at the same time his class style still glows with purple lightning, and the nb style with scarlet light

moosegod

nwilliams2107b16_ESO wrote: »

I’m going against the grain here, it’s called a class style for a reason, pleased each class can show off its own identity, there’s bucket loads of other motifs to pick from, class style for a class is fine by me. Other games have it, I’m just surprised it’s taken 10 years to do it here.
Let the hate commence!

I want to agree with this. There are dozens of other styles to choose. It's a class style, they should be restricted to their respective classes.

BUT, alliance styles aren't restricted so why restrict class styles? Is it because the game UI displays a character's alliance as a coloured icon by their name but it doesn't show any indication of their class? Is ZOS worried we mistake a necromancer for a templar because they're wearing the templar gear? This is all very stupid.

Also its wild that this minor cosmetic issue has 10 pages of replies while actual gameplay issues exist and get less player attention. Its kind of reflective of the world at large lol.

Elsonso

moosegod wrote: »

nwilliams2107b16_ESO wrote: »

I’m going against the grain here, it’s called a class style for a reason, pleased each class can show off its own identity, there’s bucket loads of other motifs to pick from, class style for a class is fine by me. Other games have it, I’m just surprised it’s taken 10 years to do it here.
Let the hate commence!

I want to agree with this. There are dozens of other styles to choose. It's a class style, they should be restricted to their respective classes.

BUT, alliance styles aren't restricted so why restrict class styles? Is it because the game UI displays a character's alliance as a coloured icon by their name but it doesn't show any indication of their class? Is ZOS worried we mistake a necromancer for a templar because they're wearing the templar gear? This is all very stupid.

Also its wild that this minor cosmetic issue has 10 pages of replies while actual gameplay issues exist and get less player attention. Its kind of reflective of the world at large lol.

One of the side effects of One Tamriel is that the whole Alliance War esprit de corps vanished. Alliance is largely irrelevant unless the player is standing in Cyrodiil looking for someone they can pew-pew at.

The Alliance styles should have been restricted to characters of that Alliance. I dunno why they didn't do that. I think the decision to allow anyone to wear the styles contributed to the "alliance don't matter" vibe that exists today outside of Cyrodiil. Can't shove that one back into the bottle, though.

My position is that Class Styles should be for the class only. ZOS did right by this.

tomofhyrule

So, I'm already bringing this thread back so we can talk about it in time for Monday's PTS.

Considering that the major argument against making the Class Set styles unlocked is "but Class identity!"
uhh...
...

So, is there any other argument?
Or is the fashion literally the only thing that will be Class-locked for no reason whatsoever?

Inari Telvanni

I unfortunately don't see them going back on this decision.

Melivar

They said in the post show that you will still need to be the base class to use class sets and class mastery for scribing. There was one more thing but I don't recall exactly.

So yea if you want that nightblade mask your still going to have to be a nightblade as your base class.

Alp

Yeah.. let us use the motifs. Keep the effects to the actual set items but motifs are just cosmetics.. a character wearing a wedding dress can be a dragon knight tank. What you wear means nothing.

tomofhyrule

Regardless of what they said is coming, we can still discuss if it's a sensible idea or not.

Class Mastery script is based on primary class: makes sense. That'd be a tough one to figure otherwise.
Archive set curation based on primary class: also makes sense. Gotta start somewhere.

Archive set ability to wear based on primary class: no longer makes sense. The original idea was that you couldn't wear those sets since you don't have the associated skill line. But now you do. And it's also possible to trade away the associated skill line from the primary class. What, we're to believe that an Arc who traded away the Curative Runeforms skill line should be able to wear the set that buffs Surative Runeforms, while a DK who adopted the Curative Runeforms line should be barred from it? That makes no sense. Not to mention that the 2-4 piece buffs exist, and some (like the Hierophant one) are unique 2-4 piece buffs.

I'd say unlock Class sets at this point. It makes just as much sense to wear one for a different Class as it does to wear one of that class after you traded off that line.

Archive set styles based on primary class: never made sense. Unlock the fashion. Seriously. It wasn't locked on release in U40, but someone doubled down on it in U41 and locked it all away. Literally what is the point of the locks anymore. Unlock it all and let your DK with Aedric Spear (who uses 0 DK skills and 5 Templar skills) have a star on his chest already.

James-Wayne

I think with subclassing if you are taking that skill line from a different class the class set should work for you as should the styles.

Dont have that class skill line equipped then dont get access to it. Subclasses will bring different levels of class identity so should be honoured.