Endless Archive getting a name change discussion

TaSheen

Elvenheart wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

What will we do when all words are trademarked? 😂

Invent new ones? Hmm. I have a word I made up.... wonder if I should trademark it before other authors start using it.

When I was young, my go-to made up word to avoid using bad words was “Fragoogle.” I was a bit peeved when Google became a thing.

Oh gosh! Now that is a true bummer.... What a GREAT word!

Now, I just did some research - the word I made up/created is not, by itself, trademarkable. If it were attached to a business, item, product - then yes. Otherwise, no.

*sigh* Oh well.

SilverBride

EdjeSwift wrote: »

...by changing it to infinite, it properly reflects the possibilities as opposed to the run.

That's the first thing I thought of when I heard the new name. I find it to be more appropriate and I like it.

Kisakee

I guess Interminable Archive is off the table?

TaSheen

Kisakee wrote: »

I guess Interminable Archive is off the table?

*laughing* You win the intarwebs for the week!

EF321

What about the title?

Erickson9610

EF321 wrote: »

What about the title?

"The Infinite"?

Reminds me too much of the final boss in Vateshran Hollows...
"I summon the infinite!"

Kite42

New from SEGA, Endless Litigation

CameraBeardThePirate

EF321 wrote: »

What about the title?

It's almost like Infinite and Unending have the same meaning

Billium813

So... what are they gonna do when they inevitably release new Class sets? Are they just gonna dump them into "Infinite" Archive (IA)? That seems like it'd be pretty boring.

Personally, I'd like to see them expand on IA with each new Class set drop. They could do new Stage designs and reuse other bosses. Different "Visions/Verses". However, I think this whole "Archive" aesthetic kind of paints them into a corner there. IA seems pretty deadset on the "library" aesthetic... What if it was called "Infinite Adventures" though? or "Endless Trails"? or "Daedric Trials"? They could have different aesthetic designs with different mobs and motifs.

But maybe they would just create a whole new IA for a different Daedric realm. Like how they do it for the different Arenas. Idk.

Sarannah

Some other names: "Mora's Private Study"(MPS), "Mora's Tomes"(MT), "Mora's Prison of Ink"(MPI), "Hoards of Knowledge"(HK), "Knowledge Unbound"(***), "Apocrypha's Library"(AL), "Apocrypha's Archive"(AA).

Edit: Not sure why that one abbreviation was filtered out, as English isn't my main language. Apologies if it means something bad.

NeuroticPixels

Sarannah wrote: »

Edit: Not sure why that one abbreviation was filtered out, as English isn't my main language. Apologies if it means something bad.

Lol, before I read that bit ^ I was wondering why it censored it, too. And English is (embarrassingly) the only language I know. So… I think you’re good. Seems like an arbitrary thing to censor.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TheImperfect

Ah we get to go in there infinitely now instead of endlessly. Nothing is named as it is here, my Husband calls Atolls of Immolation by the name Atolls of Humiliation, nothing gets the default name.

Elsonso

Sarannah wrote: »

Some other names: "Mora's Private Study"(MPS), "Mora's Tomes"(MT), "Mora's Prison of Ink"(MPI), "Hoards of Knowledge"(HK), "Knowledge Unbound"(***), "Apocrypha's Library"(AL), "Apocrypha's Archive"(AA).

Edit: Not sure why that one abbreviation was filtered out, as English isn't my main language. Apologies if it means something bad.

A number of censored words are drug references that probably almost no one has ever heard of. I can't imagine ZOS has thought of all of these themselves, so they must get the list from somewhere else. Maybe Vanilla Forums does it for them.

Anyway, it would have been cool if they had come up with a clever name that spelled something other than IA. Still, it is better than "EA", which reminded me of the game company, so I never used it. I can see myself saying IA.

Hermaeus's Apocryphal Library (HAL) is another one.

Hapexamendios

I think it's just stupid.

frogthroat

This has to be either a joke or some legal thing. If it's to avoid a legal battle with Sega, I kinda understand... companies can "own" common words, I guess? Otherwise this seems quite unnecessary and wasteful. Branding, marketing, coding, nothing is free. Endless and infinite are very similar words so it's akin to changing violet to purple.

So, if it's not to avoid legal battles over a common English word, then I would also suggest the following name changes:
Scalecaller Apex
Shipwright's Remorse
Moontomb Fane
Rock Garden
Imperial City Jail
Waychill Sewers
Cot of Shadows

Also, will the name of the northernmost Wayshrine in Coldharbour be changed to Infinite Stair Wayshrine?

LouisaB75

Elsonso wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Some other names: "Mora's Private Study"(MPS), "Mora's Tomes"(MT), "Mora's Prison of Ink"(MPI), "Hoards of Knowledge"(HK), "Knowledge Unbound"(***), "Apocrypha's Library"(AL), "Apocrypha's Archive"(AA).

Edit: Not sure why that one abbreviation was filtered out, as English isn't my main language. Apologies if it means something bad.

A number of censored words are drug references that probably almost no one has ever heard of. I can't imagine ZOS has thought of all of these themselves, so they must get the list from somewhere else. Maybe Vanilla Forums does it for them.

Also struggling to think why the abbreviation is censored. My only language is English and working in the legal profession I thought I knew most drug references.

The only time I have seen that word/abbreviation before was in an old game I used to play where most of my guild was Russian and that word was the equivalent of hi.

Lugaldu

Kisakee wrote: »

I guess Interminable Archive is off the table?

How about "Inevitable Archive"? That fits well with the situation that the Endeavors now have some in the archive every day and every week...

nathamarath

Sarannah wrote: »

Some other names: "Mora's Private Study"(MPS), "Mora's Tomes"(MT), "Mora's Prison of Ink"(MPI), "Hoards of Knowledge"(HK), "Knowledge Unbound"(***), "Apocrypha's Library"(AL), "Apocrypha's Archive"(AA).

Edit: Not sure why that one abbreviation was filtered out, as English isn't my main language. Apologies if it means something bad.

Nice! Most I like Apocrypha's Library (AL) because it refers to mastering the secrets for which you often use books.

I would like to suggest:

"Fractured Archive", "Fragmented Memory" or "The Fragments" (due to its contents from different dungeons, trial, etc.) or "The Snake's Pit".

Elsonso

frogthroat wrote: »

This has to be either a joke or some legal thing. If it's to avoid a legal battle with Sega, I kinda understand... companies can "own" common words, I guess? Otherwise this seems quite unnecessary and wasteful. Branding, marketing, coding, nothing is free. Endless and infinite are very similar words so it's akin to changing violet to purple.

They can trademark phrases, words, even numbers, used in a certain context, like product names or titles.

(Edited by Elsonso to remove additional discussion of trademarks)

[Edited by ZOS_Icy for Conspiracy Theory]

emilyhyoyeon

am I the only one who thinks Infinite Archive sounds fine

nathamarath

frogthroat wrote: »

This has to be either a joke or some legal thing. If it's to avoid a legal battle with Sega, I kinda understand... companies can "own" common words, I guess? Otherwise this seems quite unnecessary and wasteful. Branding, marketing, coding, nothing is free. Endless and infinite are very similar words so it's akin to changing violet to purple.

So, if it's not to avoid legal battles over a common English word, then I would also suggest the following name changes:
Scalecaller Apex
Shipwright's Remorse
Moontomb Fane
Rock Garden
Imperial City Jail
Waychill Sewers
Cot of Shadows

Also, will the name of the northernmost Wayshrine in Coldharbour be changed to Infinite Stair Wayshrine?

Diablo I - IV would also have to be renamed into Endless(tm) Dungeon Prequels I - IV because they share a similiar concept!

LouisaB75

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

am I the only one who thinks Infinite Archive sounds fine

I think it sounds fine too.

But will probably call it endless out of spite since copywrite quibbles like this, where it is clearly not the case of someone trying to fraudulently make money off another product, annoy me.

Necrotech_Master

i make it easy and usually just refer to it as "archive" lol

"i did <x> in the archive" "whats the rotation merchant selling in the archive?" etc lol

UnseenCat

frogthroat wrote: »

Also, will the name of the northernmost Wayshrine in Coldharbour be changed to Infinite Stair Wayshrine?

Hmmm... That might escalate...


Anyway, the whole "Infintite Archive" and "IA" thing makes my brain twist it into Internet Archive...
Which kind of works, actually. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

cyberjanet

Well I kept calling it Etherian Archive, so maybe I'll get the name right now and people will know what I'm talking about.

I_killed_Vivec

What's in a name?

I'm more concerned that the change will require a 15 hour maintenance window, a 25GB download, "extended maintenance" for the EU server (just because), and total disruption to the holiday event due to "problems some players might be experiencing logging in"... that won't get fixed until the new year.

I'm prepared for the worst... now I can hope for the best

Blood_again

Well, it will take some time for me to get used that IA is now Infinite Archive instance but not the Infallible Aether set.

As for calling it just as Archive, it will be confusing due to Aetherial Archive trial is still exists. No matter Endless or Infinite the new one is.

Anyway the new name is better, if you ask me. EA abbreviation was confusable with some game studio.

Necrotech_Master

Blood_again wrote: »

Well, it will take some time for me to get used that IA is now Infinite Archive instance but not the Infallible Aether set.

As for calling it just as Archive, it will be confusing due to Aetherial Archive trial is still exists. No matter Endless or Infinite the new one is.

Anyway the new name is better, if you ask me. EA abbreviation was confusable with some game studio.

its been many years, but the dungeon crypt of hearts has the shorthand COH

because of all the years i spent playing that game, i still see COH = city of heroes lol

edit: for aetherian archive, ive always used the shorthand AA for that one, which is pretty common

Araneae6537

I think it’s silly that a company can claim trademark to a word they didn’t invent. Endless Archive =/= Endless Dungeon and frankly sounds better (I’m not sure what would pair well with “dungeon” but “endless” is definitely not it, but whatever).

However, I don’t blame ZOS for not wanting to waste resources fighting such a battle, and Infinite Archive works almost as well, and will be a less confusing acronym, not that I actually thought Electronic Arts was being discussed, but it is the first thing that comes to mind upon seeing EA in a gaming context. IA has no such associations that I know of.

SilverBride

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I think it’s silly that a company can claim trademark to a word they didn’t invent. Endless Archive =/= Endless Dungeon and frankly sounds better (I’m not sure what would pair well with “dungeon” but “endless” is definitely not it, but whatever).

However, I don’t blame ZOS for not wanting to waste resources fighting such a battle, and Infinite Archive works almost as well, and will be a less confusing acronym, not that I actually thought Electronic Arts was being discussed, but it is the first thing that comes to mind upon seeing EA in a gaming context. IA has no such associations that I know of.

Where has this been given as the reason for the name change?