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Endless Archive getting a name change discussion
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As per this forum post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/648632/endless-archive-name-change-to-infinite-archive#latest
I think this name change is appropriate given the nomenclature issue people had with the word "Endless" I always believed that the word Endless was something people were hung up on the fact that their runs had to end; by changing it to infinite, it properly reflects the possibilities as opposed to the run.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/648632/endless-archive-name-change-to-infinite-archive#latest
I think this name change is appropriate given the nomenclature issue people had with the word "Endless" I always believed that the word Endless was something people were hung up on the fact that their runs had to end; by changing it to infinite, it properly reflects the possibilities as opposed to the run.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Considering the relatively high cost of VO, I'm assuming that this was not something that was done on a whim. Could this be related to the game named "Endless Dungeon" that Sega released a couple of months ago, as a part of their Endless franchise?
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✭Probably because of the copyright (EA). Something bigger is at stake, they wouldn't invest extra money into new branding and new VO.17 -
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✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »If it's a copyright issue how did it get this far?
Well, it didn't quite... EA was just released, a month ago or so. So those searching for similarities had a bit of time to knock on ZOS' doors.
To be honest, I liked "Endless" better than "Infinite". But agree that the new name was the best option, considering the circumstances.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »If it's a copyright issue how did it get this far?
Probably because it was a gray area. While they referred to it as an "endless dungeon" (lowercase), the official name for this inaugural specimen of the endless dungeon is Endless Archive (capitalized), which does not technically conflict with the Endless Dungeon game released as a part of Sega's Endless franchise.
But it's close enough, esp. since the Endless Archive (formal capitalized name) is an endless dungeon (lowercase classification name), that it was deemed problematic later on.
Or maybe Sega was just slow to take legal action.Edited by code65536 on December 11, 2023 3:32PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »If it's a copyright issue how did it get this far?
Well, it didn't quite... EA was just released, a month ago or so. So those searching for similarities had a bit of time to knock on ZOS' doors.
To be honest, I liked "Endless" better than "Infinite". But agree that the new name was the best option, considering the circumstances.
It released end of October, but it was on PTS for 5 weeks starting in August.
Idk, just seems odd.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭tomofhyrule wrote: »This is definitely a copyright thing.
Nitpicker's corner:
Copyright: If the dispute is over copied code or artwork
Trademark: If the dispute is over a nameNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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✭I think they should rename the "Archive" part so that they can expand on this Arena with new maps and designs. The library design is gonna get old and has nowhere to go aesthetically as they release new Class sets.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Might be trademark issue. Who knows.
I was actually wondering if they were going to make a stink about "Endless Archive".XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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NeuroticPixels✭✭✭✭✭What will we do when all words are trademarked? 😂Check out the ReShade I made: Crispy Sharpness9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NeuroticPixels wrote: »What will we do when all words are trademarked? 😂
Invent new ones? Hmm. I have a word I made up.... wonder if I should trademark it before other authors start using it.______________________________________________________
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✭✭✭✭✭NeuroticPixels wrote: »What will we do when all words are trademarked? 😂
Invent new ones? Hmm. I have a word I made up.... wonder if I should trademark it before other authors start using it.
I intend to patent inventing new words.
Edited by Elsonso on December 11, 2023 4:58PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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ZOS_IcymodGreetings all,
After removing a few off topic posts, we would like to ask everyone to keep posts on the subject at hand, as well as keeping things civil and constructive.
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✭✭✭✭I really liked the word "endless". And EA sounds better than IA. Which is surely going to be confused with AI really fast.
What is the reason for this name change? As I really doubt a small in-game feature could trigger a copyright/trademark claim outside of the game, as only the players themselves use the EA abbreviation.
Atleast come up with a better name than infinite archive. Better would be "Mora's Archive"(MA). Or "Watcher's Halls"(WH).Edited by Sarannah on December 11, 2023 6:49PM9 -
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✭✭✭MA would cause confusion with shorthand for Maelstrom Arena, I would think.
Agree that I like EA better, but clearly something (probably legal) happened given it’s a closed announcement topic and all the changes, including voice acting, involved.PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer132 -
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✭first associations for me: EA is Electronic Arts, IA stands for Iowa, UA (unending archive) - country code of UkrianePC EU2 -
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✭I mean, it's fine, whatever. It makes absolutely no difference to me.
I do think that unless it's a legal issue, it seems pretty pointless, considering all the other ways the time and money could have been invested. But if it is a legal issue, then they have to do what they have to do.3 -
Lord_Archaic✭✭✭Nah.....I'm still going to refer to it as Endless Archive out of spite. That's what they decided to call it, and released it as such; so they should stand by it. And if it is a Copyright issue, fight the crap out of it.
They tried with Mojang with their game called Scrolls. It was a half success. They bullied Mojang into being unable to use that name on any future sequels to that game. So they should be able to use the same reasoning here if they're being bullied by some other company. They clearly have the resources to fight it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Archaic wrote: »Nah.....I'm still going to refer to it as Endless Archive out of spite. That's what they decided to call it, and released it as such; so they should stand by it. And if it is a Copyright issue, fight the crap out of it.
They tried with Mojang with their game called Scrolls. It was a half success. They bullied Mojang into being unable to use that name on any future sequels to that game. So they should be able to use the same reasoning here if they're being bullied by some other company. They clearly have the resources to fight it.
Oddly enough, now Mojang and Bethesda are both part of Microsoft.
Anyway, I suspect that they tried to work out a deal for "Endless Archive", lawyers being people who like to do that sort of thing, and that such efforts ended up coming to empty.
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C_Inside✭✭✭✭Quick, start recording the VOs that say "Endless". We shouldn't let this brief period of ESOs history when it was still called EA be lost to time.4
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✭✭✭✭✭Obviously we don't know the reason behind the change, and if it's indeed a trademark issue how complicated it would be to deal with, but the new name doesn't have quite as nice a ring to it, and I hope ZOS exhausted all options before they decided not to fight to keep the original one...0 -
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✭✭I love how google cache lets you read what was deleted for being "off subject" even though most of what was deleted was clearly about the topic at hand lol
Gotta love technology.
Anyways.. I think the notable cleansing of all the now missing details in this thread but leaving a bunch of actual off topic ones is pretty telling as well. Now who's gonna go and rename all those EA threads plastered on every forum? Edited by Caligamy_ESO on December 11, 2023 9:04PMlove is love5 -
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✭If they insist on changing the name to IA, while changing all the text and voiceovers, they may as well change it to what it really is:
Irritating Arena.11 -
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✭✭✭NeuroticPixels wrote: »What will we do when all words are trademarked? 😂
Invent new ones? Hmm. I have a word I made up.... wonder if I should trademark it before other authors start using it.
When I was young, my go-to made up word to avoid using bad words was “Fragoogle.” I was a bit peeved when Google became a thing.0
