Ramping Cost for Nightblade Cloak

Bushido2513

ShadowProc wrote: »

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

This the problem. They think they should be able to kill anyone anytime without using existing counters. Anything that increases time to kill should be nerfed. And that they shouldn't have increasing cost on streak to chase you to kill you.

You want revamping cost because you don't like wasting a pot? Fine. Give me a pot that disables all gap closers or prevents reveals and I will "waste" the pot.

Yeah nobody said any of that. Most here are interested in fair solutions.

And by that I mean generally that people are looking to reign in a class that seems to be over performing.

I can't recall anyone here saying they shouldn't have to use counters

They absolutely said it. Read from the beginning. They said it tons. As an example they shouldn't have to waste 45 seconds on a detect pot.

ShadowProc wrote: »

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

This the problem. They think they should be able to kill anyone anytime without using existing counters. Anything that increases time to kill should be nerfed. And that they shouldn't have increasing cost on streak to chase you to kill you.

You want revamping cost because you don't like wasting a pot? Fine. Give me a pot that disables all gap closers or prevents reveals and I will "waste" the pot.

Yeah nobody said any of that. Most here are interested in fair solutions.

And by that I mean generally that people are looking to reign in a class that seems to be over performing.

I can't recall anyone here saying they shouldn't have to use counters

They absolutely said it. Read from the beginning. They said it tons. As an example they shouldn't have to waste 45 seconds on a detect pot.

Actually it was said that it was the only reliable counter and that it seemed to be a waste to counter one skill line vs common counters to streak that have multiple uses for different enemies.

It was never from my understanding to say that it shouldn't be used but more so that of all the counters the most reliable one caused you to have to give up a valuable potion slot.

Now I can't say I have the same issue with the counters not working but I'm not Static so I can't speak to that but he's definitely not saying don't use counters in that post or that he doesn't want to use them.

Bushido2513

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

But that’s not even the point of my video. The point is I got 10 seconds of breathing room before they all caught up to me again, and the class also has no good defensive healing and I wasn’t able to recover to full during that 10s. I would have to be fighting them to heal off my offensive heals, but like isn’t that against the point of retreating lol? Here let me turn around and hit 5 ppl to heal up while also taking damage from 5 ppl that is clearly going to be more than what I can heal.

It makes no sense and instead of seeing the issue they decided to nitpick my decision, which they probably wouldve done the same if they were in the exact situation with a split second to makez

Your video is about 1vxing. So your complaint is about not being able to 1vx? I thought you said dueling is where balance should be?

Dueling is where class imbalance shows the most but as someone said and I agree, we can't balance for the 1v1. That being said we can all see that NB has a better overall kit than sorc and that when the enemy is of the same skill level the nb wins in more scenarios overall. I believe that was more so the complaint in that particular case and the point is that it shows in both 1v1 and 1vx scenarios.

Bushido2513

ShadowProc wrote: »

There is not a single person in here that can't see your doing all this because of the state of sorc. I feel your pain. It's happened to my mains before as well. And all I can say is enjoy what you can or switchtoons and find some fun fights. It's a game and you are mad at something on your class but are choosing to try to make others have less fun.

Goodluck to you.

Eh maybe he does care about sorc more than other classes but the imbalance of the game is not restricted to sorc that's for sure.

nb is just in a much better position in relation to all other classes than it probably should be. I'm not saying kill the think but yeah it's not really balanced overall in the game

I think plars and necros have just given up hope at the moment for the most part so that's why they aren't saying as much.

ShadowProc

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

But that’s not even the point of my video. The point is I got 10 seconds of breathing room before they all caught up to me again, and the class also has no good defensive healing and I wasn’t able to recover to full during that 10s. I would have to be fighting them to heal off my offensive heals, but like isn’t that against the point of retreating lol? Here let me turn around and hit 5 ppl to heal up while also taking damage from 5 ppl that is clearly going to be more than what I can heal.

It makes no sense and instead of seeing the issue they decided to nitpick my decision, which they probably wouldve done the same if they were in the exact situation with a split second to makez

Your video is about 1vxing. So your complaint is about not being able to 1vx? I thought you said dueling is where balance should be?

Dueling is where class imbalance shows the most but as someone said and I agree, we can't balance for the 1v1. That being said we can all see that NB has a better overall kit than sorc and that when the enemy is of the same skill level the nb wins in more scenarios overall. I believe that was more so the complaint in that particular case and the point is that it shows in both 1v1 and 1vx scenarios.

Your missing the point entirely. This thread is about nerfing cloak. A 1vx on a sorc has what to do with that?

Other than demo demonstrating his motive.

Bushido2513

ShadowProc wrote: »

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

But that’s not even the point of my video. The point is I got 10 seconds of breathing room before they all caught up to me again, and the class also has no good defensive healing and I wasn’t able to recover to full during that 10s. I would have to be fighting them to heal off my offensive heals, but like isn’t that against the point of retreating lol? Here let me turn around and hit 5 ppl to heal up while also taking damage from 5 ppl that is clearly going to be more than what I can heal.

It makes no sense and instead of seeing the issue they decided to nitpick my decision, which they probably wouldve done the same if they were in the exact situation with a split second to makez

Your video is about 1vxing. So your complaint is about not being able to 1vx? I thought you said dueling is where balance should be?

Dueling is where class imbalance shows the most but as someone said and I agree, we can't balance for the 1v1. That being said we can all see that NB has a better overall kit than sorc and that when the enemy is of the same skill level the nb wins in more scenarios overall. I believe that was more so the complaint in that particular case and the point is that it shows in both 1v1 and 1vx scenarios.

Your missing the point entirely. This thread is about nerfing cloak. A 1vx on a sorc has what to do with that?

Other than demo demonstrating his motive.

The 1vx was to showcase how streak isn't as strong as people think it might be in some situations. This is being brought up because of the comparison to streak which currently has a ramping cost and cloak which some want to add a ramping cost to.

To be honest I wish I as able to do a breakdown video and comparison of both side by side. No I'm not saying they are the same skill, just saying that there is an argument to be made for toning down nb with a ramp on cloak in the same way that a ramp on streak toned down the power of sorc

Again they are definitely not the same skill. This is simply about using a cost mechanic to tone down the power of a skill/the overall power of nb so that's the only reason streak is even in the discussion.

Alchimiste1

Thanks to this thread I learned there was an ignore option in the forums. Bless thee procer of shadows

master_vanargand

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Bushido2513

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Thanks to this thread I learned there was an ignore option in the forums. Bless thee procer of shadows

That's like the first button you want to be aware of in any online forum/interaction these days sadly. If only it worked in real life!

StaticWave

ShadowProc wrote: »

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

But that’s not even the point of my video. The point is I got 10 seconds of breathing room before they all caught up to me again, and the class also has no good defensive healing and I wasn’t able to recover to full during that 10s. I would have to be fighting them to heal off my offensive heals, but like isn’t that against the point of retreating lol? Here let me turn around and hit 5 ppl to heal up while also taking damage from 5 ppl that is clearly going to be more than what I can heal.

It makes no sense and instead of seeing the issue they decided to nitpick my decision, which they probably wouldve done the same if they were in the exact situation with a split second to makez

Your video is about 1vxing. So your complaint is about not being able to 1vx? I thought you said dueling is where balance should be?

Dueling is where class imbalance shows the most but as someone said and I agree, we can't balance for the 1v1. That being said we can all see that NB has a better overall kit than sorc and that when the enemy is of the same skill level the nb wins in more scenarios overall. I believe that was more so the complaint in that particular case and the point is that it shows in both 1v1 and 1vx scenarios.

Your missing the point entirely. This thread is about nerfing cloak. A 1vx on a sorc has what to do with that?

Other than demo demonstrating his motive.

People said Streak is hard to counter. I showed why it isn’t. Why is it hard to understand lol?

I think you have purposely tried to twist my argument many times and somehow people still believe that. I’m going to ignore you now. There is no use arguing with someone in denial

StaticWave

Bushido2513 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

But that’s not even the point of my video. The point is I got 10 seconds of breathing room before they all caught up to me again, and the class also has no good defensive healing and I wasn’t able to recover to full during that 10s. I would have to be fighting them to heal off my offensive heals, but like isn’t that against the point of retreating lol? Here let me turn around and hit 5 ppl to heal up while also taking damage from 5 ppl that is clearly going to be more than what I can heal.

It makes no sense and instead of seeing the issue they decided to nitpick my decision, which they probably wouldve done the same if they were in the exact situation with a split second to makez

Your video is about 1vxing. So your complaint is about not being able to 1vx? I thought you said dueling is where balance should be?

Dueling is where class imbalance shows the most but as someone said and I agree, we can't balance for the 1v1. That being said we can all see that NB has a better overall kit than sorc and that when the enemy is of the same skill level the nb wins in more scenarios overall. I believe that was more so the complaint in that particular case and the point is that it shows in both 1v1 and 1vx scenarios.

I said dueling is where class imbalance shows the most. ShadowProc said it shouldnt be used to discuss balance. So I showed 1vXing in Cyro to show how Streak is easily countered. He said it isnt relevant to the discussion lol. What’s next? Should I show a clip of me ganking on Sorc?

You can’t argue with people who wants to be right. What’s worse is you can’t argue with people who just talk and doesn’t do anything to back up their claim. We are wasting our time

Tyrant_Tim

StaticWave wrote: »

What’s next? Should I show a clip of me ganking on Sorc?…

Challenge accepted.

https://youtu.be/ctqQwSzfi50

ShadowProc

Why is this thread open? The nerf cry was not proven. Not even close. [snip] Close it Zos plz so I have to stop responding to baseless arguments.

Oh and buff NB!

[edited for minor baiting]

StaticWave

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

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ShadowProc

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

ShadowProc

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I can be objective. Lol. [snip] I am defending one skill that is fine as is and should remain that way. Because you disagree that is not even close to not being objective.

People are allowed to have different opinions. If you want to have a discussion about nb needing tweaks create another one of your threads and I will respond if I need to.

[snip] It's okay to agree to disagree.

[edited for baiting]

Bushido2513

So if this were a debate or if we were giving points there would be points given for staying on topic and making good points but definitely points taken for the amount of times a mod

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I can be objective. Lol. [snip] I am defending one skill that is fine as is and should remain that way. Because you disagree that is not even close to not being objective.

People are allowed to have different opinions. If you want to have a discussion about nb needing tweaks create another one of your threads and I will respond if I need to.

[snip] It's okay to agree to disagree.

[edited for baiting]

He's taking a more objective stance than you are in looking at how the different topics are being handled.

Let me ask you this. Can you agree that right now in regards to pvp overall NB is in a better spot than Sorc, Necro, and Templar.

I'm saying all things being equal when you look at survivability, damage output, healing, ability to scale well with the level of the player, etc.

If not, where would you rank the power level of NB overall amongst the classes?

StaticWave

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

The people agreeing with you are the ppl defending Cloak. [snip] The ppl against Cloak have left or agreed with other comments.

I mean, you still haven’t posted anything on your end to back up your argument. I don’t see any “facts” on your end, truthfully.

[edited for baiting]

StaticWave

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I can be objective. Lol. [snip] I am defending one skill that is fine as is and should remain that way. Because you disagree that is not even close to not being objective.

People are allowed to have different opinions. If you want to have a discussion about nb needing tweaks create another one of your threads and I will respond if I need to.

[snip] It's okay to agree to disagree.

[edited for baiting]

You can be, but you aren’t. I am not hesitant to argue against my own class, which I have done many times in the past. I created several threads asking for nerfs to my own class despite knowing that it would nerf my own playstyle.

That is as objective as I can be. I don’t see anything objective from NB mains and you about this thread. Everyone can easily say why Cloak is bad but pretend to ignore the strong aspect of Cloak, yet I’m 100% sure most of you have gotten away in a fight with Cloak plenty of times. If Cloak was bad you guys would be off the class right now lol.

PhoenixGrey

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I don’t agree with OP but I don’t wish for a cloak nerf. That doesn’t take away the fact that nb is a god tier class which will probably never be nerfed due to reasons you and I both know.

It’s great that you are objective about your own class and I respect that but I do care about enjoying the game and my class. Some of these nerfs is probably why I will not play that class again.

Nerfing class skills only takes you to a point where it takes more skill to play a nb than a sorc in today’s meta. I am sure a day 1 sorc wearing 3 proc sets will do just fine because of that brain dead play style and I refuse to play that way.

I know a certain mag sorc main on PC NA who complained about pet sorc and BOL when they were meta. The same sorc is playing with 45k hp and abusing procs now lol.

So yeah right now I would nerf the living hell out of HP sorc / scaling and proc sets which sorc wears rather than nb because sorc is just not up to my standards.

PhoenixGrey

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

Nb is the most god tier class in this game. There are no facts to discuss here

StaticWave

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I don’t agree with OP but I don’t wish for a cloak nerf. That doesn’t take away the fact that nb is a god tier class which will probably never be nerfed due to reasons you and I both know.

It’s great that you are objective about your own class and I respect that but I do care about enjoying the game and my class. Some of these nerfs is probably why I will not play that class again.

Nerfing class skills only takes you to a point where it takes more skill to play a nb than a sorc in today’s meta. I am sure a day 1 sorc wearing 3 proc sets will do just fine because of that brain dead play style and I refuse to play that way.

I know a certain mag sorc main on PC NA who complained about pet sorc and BOL when they were meta. The same sorc is playing with 45k hp and abusing procs now lol.

So yeah right now I would nerf the living hell out of HP sorc / scaling and proc sets which sorc wears rather than nb because sorc is just not up to my standards.

I mean I didn’t ask for a Cloak nerf up until this PTS patch. It’s obvious they aren’t going to revert the Major Savagery addition. I am not concerned about gankers. I am concerned about tanky brawler blades. If ZoS isn’t reverting the PTS buff then nerf it in another way.

PhoenixGrey

StaticWave wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I don’t agree with OP but I don’t wish for a cloak nerf. That doesn’t take away the fact that nb is a god tier class which will probably never be nerfed due to reasons you and I both know.

It’s great that you are objective about your own class and I respect that but I do care about enjoying the game and my class. Some of these nerfs is probably why I will not play that class again.

Nerfing class skills only takes you to a point where it takes more skill to play a nb than a sorc in today’s meta. I am sure a day 1 sorc wearing 3 proc sets will do just fine because of that brain dead play style and I refuse to play that way.

I know a certain mag sorc main on PC NA who complained about pet sorc and BOL when they were meta. The same sorc is playing with 45k hp and abusing procs now lol.

So yeah right now I would nerf the living hell out of HP sorc / scaling and proc sets which sorc wears rather than nb because sorc is just not up to my standards.

I mean I didn’t ask for a Cloak nerf up until this PTS patch. It’s obvious they aren’t going to revert the Major Savagery addition. I am not concerned about gankers. I am concerned about tanky brawler blades. If ZoS isn’t reverting the PTS buff then nerf it in another way.

NB has been good tier for how long now ? And how many PTS patches have passed even since ? I have lost count. Even if NB's like OP go into some kind of mass hysteria and started wanting NB nerfs, it still wouldn't happen.

Maybe major berserk is gonna be a NB class passive next PTS patch. If not next PTS, it will eventually come.

Better to knock on doors you can control rather than the ones you can't

Zastrix

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

Nb is the most god tier class in this game. There are no facts to discuss here

For the short time after playing post update 35 (so over a year ago of no-pvp) I was easily fightning against brawlblades non invisible blades. Very rarely would I be killed by one. That statement is just wrong with the recent nerf to cloak via pots. It's a skill issue on your part. DKs and Ice Wardens (at least then for the warden part) are harder to kill.

PhoenixGrey

Zastrix wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

Nb is the most god tier class in this game. There are no facts to discuss here

For the short time after playing post update 35 (so over a year ago of no-pvp) I was easily fightning against brawlblades non invisible blades. Very rarely would I be killed by one. That statement is just wrong with the recent nerf to cloak via pots. It's a skill issue on your part. DKs and Ice Wardens (at least then for the warden part) are harder to kill.

DK’s and wardens are not even on the same playing field as NB’s

There is nothing another class does which nb can’t do better

You just haven’t fought good NB’s and that’s on you. I am not talking about the random sniper or random brawler blade in cp cyro

StaticWave

Zastrix wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

Nb is the most god tier class in this game. There are no facts to discuss here

For the short time after playing post update 35 (so over a year ago of no-pvp) I was easily fightning against brawlblades non invisible blades. Very rarely would I be killed by one. That statement is just wrong with the recent nerf to cloak via pots. It's a skill issue on your part. DKs and Ice Wardens (at least then for the warden part) are harder to kill.

Wait till you fight actual good players.

Bushido2513

StaticWave wrote: »

Zastrix wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

Nb is the most god tier class in this game. There are no facts to discuss here

For the short time after playing post update 35 (so over a year ago of no-pvp) I was easily fightning against brawlblades non invisible blades. Very rarely would I be killed by one. That statement is just wrong with the recent nerf to cloak via pots. It's a skill issue on your part. DKs and Ice Wardens (at least then for the warden part) are harder to kill.

Wait till you fight actual good players.

I remember a while back fighting a NB who later became someone I would see and talk to here and there.

I'm throwing some real heat his way and his health isn't really moving so I'm like hey what's the build.

Turned out to basically be what everyone else was wearing at the time he was a good NB but it also showed just how strong the thing was.

He later said that yeah I was pushing his heals more than most but yeah at that point I was like yeah ok NB is just on that level yet again.

NB are not invincible but in the hands of a good player you're going to have your work cut out for you easily!

ShadowProc

Bushido2513 wrote: »

So if this were a debate or if we were giving points there would be points given for staying on topic and making good points but definitely points taken for the amount of times a mod

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

I can be objective. Lol. [snip] I am defending one skill that is fine as is and should remain that way. Because you disagree that is not even close to not being objective.

People are allowed to have different opinions. If you want to have a discussion about nb needing tweaks create another one of your threads and I will respond if I need to.

[snip] It's okay to agree to disagree.

[edited for baiting]

He's taking a more objective stance than you are in looking at how the different topics are being handled.

Let me ask you this. Can you agree that right now in regards to pvp overall NB is in a better spot than Sorc, Necro, and Templar.

I'm saying all things being equal when you look at survivability, damage output, healing, ability to scale well with the level of the player, etc.

If not, where would you rank the power level of NB overall amongst the classes?

I would rank nb above them all.

But I do not agree cloak is the reason or should be touched.

ShadowProc

StaticWave wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

The people agreeing with you are the ppl defending Cloak. [snip] The ppl against Cloak have left or agreed with other comments.

I mean, you still haven’t posted anything on your end to back up your argument. I don’t see any “facts” on your end, truthfully.

Again your speculating. [snip]

ShadowProc

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Like someone here said, the only people defending Cloak and agreeing with you are NB mains.

When my class skill needs a nerf, I am willing to be objective about it, like when I made a thread asking for Ball of Lightning to be nerfed when it was overperforming:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

I could have been defending it like you and other NB mains are doing, but after all you can’t change biasness.

Oh btw, HP shield scaling sorc also needs a nerf. See what I mean when I’m being objective, even if it nerfs my playstyle and the build I’m using?

At least people are agreeing with me. Facts are facts whether you wish them to be true or not.

The people agreeing with you are the ppl defending Cloak. I mean, sure lol? The ppl against Cloak have left or agreed with other comments.

I mean, you still haven’t posted anything on your end to back up your argument. I don’t see any “facts” on your end, truthfully.

Again your speculating.[snip]

And you still have not posted anything to prove a nerf to cloak is warranted.

You have posted enough that a sorc buff is warranted. I agree with that at least.

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