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WaywardArgonian

cptfrog wrote: »

The fact is often that especially on NOCP where people can swap alliances all the time that the good smallscale/solo players always change to the alliance who gets them the best fights / enemies to fight and this seems to be currently DC. (i dont play NoCp atm tho so cant say that for sure)

Currently I'd say DC is the worst place to play in that style because it's the only side that has active smallscalers/ballgroups, and they often follow each other or attract a DC zerg. AD has practically no organized groups left and no disrespect but EP's organized groups are low-hanging fruit for solid groups when they come alone. The only challenge you'll find as a group is the occasional faction-stack or getting tryharded by a 12-man while solo.

finehair

the campaign is basically dead. it has better potential than cp in my opinion. I was in cp campaign for years now and even though no proc rule i was bored of ball groups & the masters+vate meta which everyone is using.

no cp in a nutshell
AD: doesn't exist at all
EP: nightcaps, prays on empty ad keeps and occasional 12 man organised groups who actually fight other players
DC: they have a decent amount of randos who group and crush unorganised ep, a group that only plays 3 wardens and nothing else, and occasional 12 man organised guild.

when there are fights like 1v1-2v2 or 1vX, it is more fun than CP campaign.
even zerg V zerg is more fun (although it rarely happens because ep doesn't fight blue players mostly)

sad to see this campaign is dead.

DTStormfox

finehair wrote: »

the campaign is basically dead. it has better potential than cp in my opinion. I was in cp campaign for years now and even though no proc rule i was bored of ball groups & the masters+vate meta which everyone is using.

no cp in a nutshell
AD: doesn't exist at all
EP: nightcaps, prays on empty ad keeps and occasional 12 man organised groups who actually fight other players
DC: they have a decent amount of randos who group and crush unorganised ep, a group that only plays 3 wardens and nothing else, and occasional 12 man organised guild.

when there are fights like 1v1-2v2 or 1vX, it is more fun than CP campaign.
even zerg V zerg is more fun (although it rarely happens because ep doesn't fight blue players mostly)

sad to see this campaign is dead.

In my view, this is not a realistic description of the campaign. Yes, AD is underpopulated compared to the others, but the campaign is far from dead and many guilds are active in DC and EP. Yes, there are night cappers but they are on all alliances.
And on another note: complaining that the campaign is dead, does not help getting people to play in the campaign. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy: if enough people claim the campaign is dead, people will stop joining and it goes dead.

Tigor

We want to leave this campaign as there is no alliance lock. Therefore we ask for a campaign that has more to offer.

dinokstrunz

Tigor wrote: »

We want to leave this campaign as there is no alliance lock. Therefore we ask for a campaign that has more to offer.

Ask for the removal of no proc and the population might just boom thus bringing in some more competition.

Tigor

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

We want to leave this campaign as there is no alliance lock. Therefore we ask for a campaign that has more to offer.

Ask for the removal of no proc and the population might just boom thus bringing in some more competition.

You can ask for it

cptfrog

Just come to Gray Host, it is a alliance locked campaign.

Tigor

I was shortly at Gray Host yesterday. An AD ballgroup was running in circles inside Farragut not a good omen.

HelenaMartell

Tigor wrote: »

We want to leave this campaign as there is no alliance lock. Therefore we ask for a campaign that has more to offer.

Alliance lock won't improve your group's survivability though - which seems to be your main source of dissatisfaction, am I right?
You once told me all you want is some fun in the evenings.
My advice (which I've told you many times before):
Inform yourself which sets and skills are currently useful, talk about it with your group, put together a useful combination of classes, gear and skills.
Yes, you need to put some thought into it, but that doesn't mean you have to tryhard everyday and reinvent that combination all the time, just try to stay updated with it.

And one more advice for improving everyone's fun: Stop whispering everytime you die, for God's sake!
We don't want you to leave the campaign. Don't forget that this is just a game.

Tigor

Old_Lady_Helena wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

We want to leave this campaign as there is no alliance lock. Therefore we ask for a campaign that has more to offer.

Alliance lock won't improve your group's survivability though - which seems to be your main source of dissatisfaction, am I right?
You once told me all you want is some fun in the evenings.
My advice (which I've told you many times before):
Inform yourself which sets and skills are currently useful, talk about it with your group, put together a useful combination of classes, gear and skills.
Yes, you need to put some thought into it, but that doesn't mean you have to tryhard everyday and reinvent that combination all the time, just try to stay updated with it.

And one more advice for improving everyone's fun: Stop whispering everytime you die, for God's sake!
We don't want you to leave the campaign. Don't forget that this is just a game.

Come on it was a long day and we are getting tired of this, now we need to puzzle also?

WaywardArgonian

Tigor wrote: »

Come on it was a long day and we are getting tired of this, now we need to puzzle also?

For many people, finding a good group set-up and tweaking it from run to run is part of the enjoyment. It's not for everyone but people who spend some time on that will yield results.

Not that it's terribly complex to find a group set-up for no-CP. Just put Eternal Vigor + Heartland on healers and 5x Shattered Fate + Dagon's Dominion on DDs and you already have a solid basis. Then it's just a matter of covering different class/skill benefits such as Major/Minor Brutality, Major Evasion, Minor Toughness, synergies and maybe a speed boost provider.

Even if you don't want to get deep into sets and min-maxing set-ups, it can already help to tell everyone to run Echoing Vigor + Major Evasion skill + snare removal and have 32k hp. That way it is less of a puzzle and more running a basic checklist.

If even that is too much effort then just run alongside other guilds and generate an overwhelming numerical advantage.

Tigor

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Come on it was a long day and we are getting tired of this, now we need to puzzle also?

For many people, finding a good group set-up and tweaking it from run to run is part of the enjoyment. It's not for everyone but people who spend some time on that will yield results.

Not that it's terribly complex to find a group set-up for no-CP. Just put Eternal Vigor + Heartland on healers and 5x Shattered Fate + Dagon's Dominion on DDs and you already have a solid basis. Then it's just a matter of covering different class/skill benefits such as Major/Minor Brutality, Major Evasion, Minor Toughness, synergies and maybe a speed boost provider.

Even if you don't want to get deep into sets and min-maxing set-ups, it can already help to tell everyone to run Echoing Vigor + Major Evasion skill + snare removal and have 32k hp. That way it is less of a puzzle and more running a basic checklist.

If even that is too much effort then just run alongside other guilds and generate an overwhelming numerical advantage.

Members of our guild are not waiting for so much detail. They play the freeway and most of them know how to join and can leave whenever they want. But anyhow I again appreciate your effort in instructing and your intentions to offer help.

It is not easy to play like we do, but in our philosophy we think that keeping it simple is the way.

DTStormfox

Peoples, it is not sportsmanlike to switch alliances, pick up a scroll from the alliance you switched from, and thus disallow the alliance you switched to, to carry the scroll to their keeps.

Tigor

At Tuesday DC were killable and since Wednesday they are unkillable again. What cheat are they using?

WaywardArgonian

They're not, and thinking they are only hinders your own progress as a player.

Tigor

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

They're not, and thinking they are only hinders your own progress as a player.

Many Pact came online and deposed the Emperor

xMetalheartx

Tigor wrote: »

Come on it was a long day and we are getting tired of this, now we need to puzzle also?

Hold on, you consider switching to a proc-campaign while creating a build in no proc is already too much? Good luck then

DTStormfox

Some players are intentionally abusing the known bug with the Negate. For your information: this is a violation of Code of Conduct section 5.2 and I have warned these people using whispers multiple times and have recordings of the players exploiting the bug; the players that I have seen exploiting the bug multiple times have been reported accordingly.

Tigor

xMetalheartx wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Come on it was a long day and we are getting tired of this, now we need to puzzle also?

Hold on, you consider switching to a proc-campaign while creating a build in no proc is already too much? Good luck then

Right non proc pvp is the best.

DTStormfox

DC is currently in the lead, by far.
EP is second
AD is third.

But what happened tonight (at the moment of writing)?
DC and AD worked together to take all pact keeps and the scrolls.

And what about activity on the DC/AD side of the map? Well, you guessed it right: nothing.
All AD and DC were attacking EP at the same time en masse.

Another beautiful example: Earlier this evening, DC helped defend an AD castle from an attack from EP. Did DC continue the attack? No, they just left to attack EP.

How do I know they are working together?
Well, most of the AD players online tonight were mostly DC players on AD characters.
Heck, I guess these players are probably even on the same Discord channel.

Alliance swapping is just pathetic in my opinion.
Choose an alliance, stick with it, and play fair.

WaywardArgonian

DTStormfox wrote: »

DC is currently in the lead, by far.
EP is second
AD is third.

But what happened tonight (at the moment of writing)?
DC and AD worked together to take all pact keeps and the scrolls.

And what about activity on the DC/AD side of the map? Well, you guessed it right: nothing.
All AD and DC were attacking EP at the same time en masse.

Another beautiful example: Earlier this evening, DC helped defend an AD castle from an attack from EP. Did DC continue the attack? No, they just left to attack EP.

How do I know they are working together?
Well, most of the AD players online tonight were mostly DC players on AD characters.
Heck, I guess these players are probably even on the same Discord channel.

Alliance swapping is just pathetic in my opinion.
Choose an alliance, stick with it, and play fair.

Opportunism is often mistaken for coordination.

If a faction is on the backfoot, both other factions will try to take advantage either by nabbing their scrolls or by just going where the fight is.

Most of AD yesterday evening would've been Ayrenn's Lights, who do not cooperate with DC in any way.

You likely saw RDK as well, who are a former DC ballgroup playing on AD occasionally. They just play AD because it is the weakest/least populated alliance and they can get more fights this way. It has nothing to do with people running cross-alliance schemes on Discord.

Tigor

EP wants to avoid DC for the reasons earlier mentioned. Some DC players get bored and start to log to AD chars, while others are playing sorcerers and nightblades to keep EP players in combat to prevent avoiding. For that reason the objectives of DC players shifted from "the campaign" into "exploiting" as much as possible. Seemingly they also started to defend AD castles without good reasons to get some more attention or help "AD friends" who are in the same Discord channel.

So the aliance lock would clearly favor campaign objectives.

WaywardArgonian

Tigor wrote: »

EP wants to avoid DC for the reasons earlier mentioned. Some DC players get bored and start to log to AD chars, while others are playing sorcerers and nightblades to keep EP players in combat to prevent avoiding. For that reason the objectives of DC players shifted from "the campaign" into "exploiting" as much as possible. Seemingly they also started to defend AD castles without good reasons to get some more attention or help "AD friends" who are in the same Discord channel.

So the aliance lock would clearly favor campaign objectives.

So EP avoids DC and as a response DC chases down EP into AD's territory. Everyone is free to think of that what they want but it has nothing to do with cooperation with the actual faction.

The regular AD population mostly consists of just Ayrenn's Lights and Ailes d'Ayrenn and neither of them are interested in working with other factions.

HelenaMartell

Ok let me explain what happened yesterday.

When I logged in at about 19:20, EP had already more players than the other factions. One of their scrolls was at Black Boot and they quickly got it back. It looked like EP went for an emp push, which was then prevented. They continued attacking AD side though, despite AD not having logged in yet, and other EPs were taking weird keeps like Brindle.

Later that evening, at least two full groups wasted their time chasing 7 players at KC while losing the whole map.

So, why did both AD and DC push for EP yesterday?

DTStormfox wrote: »

DC and AD worked together to take all pact keeps and the scrolls.

I can reassure you it was not coordination, you overestimate us, mate.

DC went for EP because they had 3 bars before everyone else (which has been typical for mondays for quite a while now). AD was almost nonexistent in the beginning of the evening.

I can only guess why AD went EP too, but maybe it had something to do with attacking Faregyl earlier, or the fact that their ballgroups were busy defending KC against 7 and a few smallscalers, which left the rest of the map almost undefended.

DTStormfox wrote: »

How do I know they are working together?
Well, most of the AD players online tonight were mostly DC players on AD characters.
Heck, I guess these players are probably even on the same Discord channel.

As far as I know the only faction that has all players sitting on the same Discord is EP...

You need to understand that especially smallscalers don't care about winning the campaign, all they care about is getting good fights, and that's why some of them choose to swap to whichever alliance they think will provide that opportunity the most.

xMetalheartx

DTStormfox wrote: »

DC is currently in the lead, by far.
EP is second
AD is third.

But what happened tonight (at the moment of writing)?
DC and AD worked together to take all pact keeps and the scrolls.

And what about activity on the DC/AD side of the map? Well, you guessed it right: nothing.
All AD and DC were attacking EP at the same time en masse.

Another beautiful example: Earlier this evening, DC helped defend an AD castle from an attack from EP. Did DC continue the attack? No, they just left to attack EP.

How do I know they are working together?
Well, most of the AD players online tonight were mostly DC players on AD characters.
Heck, I guess these players are probably even on the same Discord channel.

Alliance swapping is just pathetic in my opinion.
Choose an alliance, stick with it, and play fair.

Dear Mr. Stormfox,

Thank you for your feedback. As the head of External Affairs of the Ultimate Delivery Incorporation, I can assure you that we take constructive feedback of any kind seriously and review our activities in Cyrodiil to ensure that they are in line with our corporate values.
The Ultimate delivery Incorporation was founded with the goal of advancing the quality and experience of our employees through unbalanced combat. This may lead to the situation you mentioned, in which we fight said battles far from our headquarters in the Daggerfall Covenant. Of course, this does not include farming newcomers to Aldmeri castles and I sincerely apologize for this on behalf of Ultimate Delivery Incorporation. We can understand your frustration when your group is surprised and completely destroyed by a handful of blue players while supposedly farming PvE content.
In order to level the playing field between the Ebonheart faction and the eight Ultimate Delivery Incorporation players in the future, we are happy to offer our support and expertise for builds and group setups.

I wish you continued success in Cyrodiil and remain with best regards.
Sir_Metalheart
Head of External Affairs
Ultimate Delivery Incorporation

Tigor

Swapping alliances is a bad idea. It breaks down the momentum of good fights. That means that as long the lock is not closed alliance coordination can be abused.

Reading between the lines I know that I am always filtering the right conclusions.

xMetalheartx

I love your Posts Tigor. Please never quit this game and stay with us!

HelenaMartell

Tigor wrote: »

Swapping alliances is a bad idea. It breaks down the momentum of good fights.

Can you elaborate on that? Nobody swapping alliance mid-fight, are they?

I think you have to distinguish between different types of alliance swappers:

• The ones who swap to the alliance with the bigger population in order to zerg with them ("I'm just doing the reward level!!1")
• The ones who swap to the alliance with the smaller population in order to find more enemies/fight against guild groups/balance the map
• The ones who swap in order to play with friends

You can dislike all of them if you want to, I would just like to understand why.

DTStormfox

xMetalheartx wrote: »

Dear Mr. Stormfox,

Thank you for your feedback. As the head of External Affairs of the Ultimate Delivery Incorporation, I can assure you that we take constructive feedback of any kind seriously and review our activities in Cyrodiil to ensure that they are in line with our corporate values.
The Ultimate delivery Incorporation was founded with the goal of advancing the quality and experience of our employees through unbalanced combat. This may lead to the situation you mentioned, in which we fight said battles far from our headquarters in the Daggerfall Covenant. Of course, this does not include farming newcomers to Aldmeri castles and I sincerely apologize for this on behalf of Ultimate Delivery Incorporation. We can understand your frustration when your group is surprised and completely destroyed by a handful of blue players while supposedly farming PvE content.
In order to level the playing field between the Ebonheart faction and the eight Ultimate Delivery Incorporation players in the future, we are happy to offer our support and expertise for builds and group setups.

I wish you continued success in Cyrodiil and remain with best regards.
Sir_Metalheart
Head of External Affairs
Ultimate Delivery Incorporation

Passive aggressive baiting... You continue to amaze me

cptfrog

This thread is absolutely wiild, it makes my day(s)