Do Sorcerers Complain too much?

Aces-High-82

AdamLAD wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

1vXing good players is possible. If you're better than the "good player," then you can 1vX them simple as that. 1vXing a player who is better than you is close impossible unless there is lag involved or something beyond their control or your emp ect, you know what I mean. Whilst 1vXing is not the be all of a class in terms of how it determines balance. Its a good indication. Being able to 1vX means you must have everything in your kit. Sustain, tankiness, healing, damage ect. You must be self sufficient in all these areas to do it. Sorcerer is missing 3 out of the 4 mentioned, Sustain, tankiness and healing in comparison to other classes. A better player will stretch the class to do what others can't in those said areas

We have different definitions of what a good player is. Anyone who would pose a serious challenge 1v1 will make a 1vX completely impossible, performance issues aside. Yeah maybe they could get baited into a trap but then I question if they're truly a great player in that case.. as avoiding situations like that is part of it.

It's depends, I don't consider anyone a big challenge in a 1v1. It's either I win or its a stalemate. The way the game is currently people are so tankiee is why this is the case. If the meta changed, this could be vastly different however. But throughout my years of eso, people who I know are good players in all PvP situations and I have 1vXd them a few times and 2vXd countless times

Are you a console player? Just curious

Most certainly am. Xbox EU specifically. People from both servers know who I am. NA and EU. One day will make the jump to PC. Few of my friends went to PC NA and PC EU. So I'll hopefully get help setting it up

Prepare for
Pve dps becoming a joke - takes couple of mins to set a macro for a static rota
3rd party software like esospeeder or esotrainer exist
Finally being able to turn your cam at a reasonable speed, tho enabled by an addon
Better buff/debuff tracking via addons
MIATs addon, basically tells you about to incoming damage (a 3rd party software enables you to autoblock/dodge at your predetermined thresholds)
Software that enables manipulation of package traffic

Why would anyone want to play like that ? My freinds who went pc have never had a problem. In all honesty I've been accused of cheating loads times on xbox. Using cronus or macros. Obviously its not true. I'm far too uneducated on technology to even begin to know how to set something like that up.

Cronus/XIM and such are problematic in fps games mostly. The first Nacon enabled macros and was banned from almost all tournaments held up in a neutral place (obviously you can't tell what hardware someone's using if online).
You will do fine, after a couple of days acclimating. If you continue to play with your controller just get the add on for higher cam sensitivity but esp Magsorc does better with m/k bc of better aim and more movement options for streak.

mmtaniac

Sorc atleast have some damage in pvp especially, templar is pure garbage in this category our damage are countered by everything in game and by system itself. Right now only thing templar can do is being healbot but still not best form of healbot because warden can do better.

AdamLAD

mmtaniac wrote: »

Sorc atleast have some damage in pvp especially, templar is pure garbage in this category our damage are countered by everything in game and by system itself. Right now only thing templar can do is being healbot but still not best form of healbot because warden can do better.

You can still use all the brand new sets, all the weapon and spell damage mechanisms, use block, go 35 to 40k hp and maxed out resistance with amazing sustain. I agree it does not hit hard as it should and needs buffing. Templar can still make use off all these core up todate systems. Magicka Sorcerer can't

Aces-High-82

Jesusbeam is arguably the best exe atm. Having a knockback on demand additionaly comes with its "benefits". Not even mentioning how you can exploit for a double exe.
One has to admit that other Templar abilities got changed for the worse recently.

Scyware

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

PS. I've written this from a magsorc pvp perspective.

I was waiting for that line

PhoenixGrey

MetallicMonk wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Lol, no. I am talking about blowback.

However, what I do know is that my buff suggestions aren't over exaggerated. I asked for buffs which already existed at some point.

Only OG sorcs will know what i m talking about

There were more playstyles for mag sorc and more build diversity back then with less sets and less skill lines. All the below playstyles were equally effective
You could play dual wield sorc.
You could play with destro fire staff
You could play with destro ice staff
You could play pet sorc
You could play without dark conversion
You could play with 60k mag with 800 regen

Next patch we can play only 1 kind of sorc (not even a mag sorc) with 40k health doing oblivion damage. How is that acceptable to you ?

While I agree options are limited and magsorc could use some minor positive tweaks that is just not true that it's the only build that will be available next patch, I'm currently running a very strong magsorc build that plays like classic magsorc with double destro that is quite survivable and has great damage.

I don't mean to offend anyone in here but some people in this thread have youtube channels and it starts make sense how they view magsorc when they are running a build that hasn't been updated in nearly 3 years, and lacking important buffs completely on it.

The class needs slight adjustments defensively or sustain wise but it is not in need of major buffs, maybe on the stam side this is true. Personally I think magsorc would become extremely unfun and imbalanced to play with a strong burst heal. I don't want my class to become the new nightblade that becomes boring to play in 1 week, sorcerer being challenging and rewarding is the only reason I'm playing atm.

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

MetallicMonk

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

I don't think you do know the build or you wouldn't think the class is as bad as you seem to, that or you haven't tried it yourself.

I do agree though I don't think scaling shields off HP is a good idea whatsoever, increasing the shield a bit and reducing its cost would be much more agreeable to me. I can almost guarantee they're doing this because it simultaneously helps off-meta sorc tanks in pve though.

StaticWave

AdamLAD wrote: »

mmtaniac wrote: »

Sorc atleast have some damage in pvp especially, templar is pure garbage in this category our damage are countered by everything in game and by system itself. Right now only thing templar can do is being healbot but still not best form of healbot because warden can do better.

You can still use all the brand new sets, all the weapon and spell damage mechanisms, use block, go 35 to 40k hp and maxed out resistance with amazing sustain. I agree it does not hit hard as it should and needs buffing. Templar can still make use off all these core up todate systems. Magicka Sorcerer can't

Magsorc can do the same... Bound Aegis gives one of the best block mitigation buff in the game, and Crystal Weapon weaving with 40k HP gives about 2.5k non crit Blood Magic heals. Sustain was amazing with Dark Deal/Conversion. I've actually done a build like that and the only missing thing was a burst heal.

Obviously I had to go hybrid to use Vigor, but the point is it works lol.

StaticWave

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

StaticWave

This is what I normally run:





My healing:



4k crit Blood Magic when everything lines up and 2k average. Crushing Shock + Bound Arms + Curse + Cwep + Overload can deal up to 30k burst. Next patch with HP scaling Hardened I'd have to drop something (mostly Crushing Shock), but that shouldn't be a problem.

Brrrofski

I mean, I can put a build together in UESP editor that has stacked stats.

That doesn't always translate to in game.

Your healing is going to be bad if you're outnumbered. Two dots and your vigor is irrelevant. So now you have to crit or hit someone with CW to heal? Or use a cast time skill that anyone with half a brain will bash?

Essence thief doesn't really scream mag sorc playstyle to me either. Seeing as you have to be in there face. I mean, why not be DW/2h at that point?

Brrrofski

And this "mobility" thing I always find funny.

Has anyone who claims that played in the last two years? There's a lot of ways to get mobility on any class. People are zooming around the Cyrodiil...

And next patch. When chains have major beserk. Yeh, good luck using "mobility" when you get a DK constantly on you.

Turtle_Bot

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

AdamLAD

Static, that's not a mag sorc playstyle that's a hybrid. Where even is the shields. A Magicka Sorcerer is all magicka abilities

notyuu

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Jesusbeam is arguably the best exe atm. Having a knockback on demand additionaly comes with its "benefits". Not even mentioning how you can exploit for a double exe.
One has to admit that other Templar abilities got changed for the worse recently.

For the worse is an understatement, have you seen what they did to stamplar's toolkit?

Empowering sweep - An objectivly worse version of Crescent Sweep
Jabs - This morph dosn't heal, and still does cruddy damage and is easily countered by evasion buff or just moving
PoTL - needs 6 seconds of constant DPS to reach max output of ~4K
Repentance - use corpses to heal and restore stam, but to get corpses ya need to kill things, good luck with that
Bining Javelin - High cost, long telegraphed CC that pins enemy to the spot if you can ever hit them
Restoring focus - major resolve giver, lasts 25 seconds, regens 240 stam/sec, standing in tiny circle heals 5% max hp/sec

And that's it, no mobility tools, no defensive options, no special buffs, no special debuffs, only heal avaiable requires you to literally stand still, and given that our class spamable got nerfed into the ground stamplar has bugger all use in anything other than running around overland and even then it just feels real bad

StaticWave

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

Are you telling me how my build works? I have a youtube channel with 1vX videos using this build for 3+ patches… Sets are unchanged, just abilities…

StaticWave

And I also didn’t include Minor Resolve which is 3k armor. My actual build runs SnB with Spell Wall.

Tested and tried in many openworld fights. I still have many clips on discord servers from when I still played. If you want to see I’m always glad to invite you to one of them lol

StaticWave

And yes, I have been running a 40k HP sorc for several patches😂

StaticWave

Brrrofski wrote: »

I mean, I can put a build together in UESP editor that has stacked stats.

That doesn't always translate to in game.

Your healing is going to be bad if you're outnumbered. Two dots and your vigor is irrelevant. So now you have to crit or hit someone with CW to heal? Or use a cast time skill that anyone with half a brain will bash?

Essence thief doesn't really scream mag sorc playstyle to me either. Seeing as you have to be in there face. I mean, why not be DW/2h at that point?

Except I have plenty of videos 1vXing with it on my channel and more in discord servers…

StaticWave

This is all I have, I no longer make videos about this game.

https://youtu.be/OHcjl02gJL0

https://youtu.be/VLTP4a1r1z4

Turtle_Bot

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

Are you telling me how my build works? I have a youtube channel with 1vX videos using this build for 3+ patches… Sets are unchanged, just abilities…

I'm sure it works for you on PC NA where lag, skill failure and all the other bugs are much less prevalent due to the server upgrades, but on PC EU where I play, I have ran very similar builds and they did not work at all, the lag is far too punishing, the builds in pvp are different and much tankier and as I said in my post, any time an exploit, bug or OP build is found it is immediately abused so running around with barely 21k resistances in openworld cyrodiil just doesn't cut it unless you're part of a group that can carry that low defense.
It becomes a DPS race and since the build effectively has no armor, it always loses that race except against very bad players.

StaticWave

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

Are you telling me how my build works? I have a youtube channel with 1vX videos using this build for 3+ patches… Sets are unchanged, just abilities…

I'm sure it works for you on PC NA where lag, skill failure and all the other bugs are much less prevalent due to the server upgrades, but on PC EU where I play, I have ran very similar builds and they did not work at all, the lag is far too punishing, the builds in pvp are different and much tankier and as I said in my post, any time an exploit, bug or OP build is found it is immediately abused so running around with barely 21k resistances in openworld cyrodiil just doesn't cut it unless you're part of a group that can carry that low defense.
It becomes a DPS race and since the build effectively has no armor, it always loses that race except against very bad players.

I’ve always used the build even before server upgrades. I wouldn’t post the build if it wasn’t field tested.

Araneae6537

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

We don't complain too much, if not we don't complain enough. Sorcs have been struggling to keep up with the other classes in pvp, who have just been getting tankier AND can deal more damage while we've been stuck with the same tool kit for years. The other classes can just eat through shields, and the halved-shield strength on top of health cap just makes shields weak. PVE, sorc dps, regardless of spec, MUSt use pets to get the max amount of damage. In the past, either pet or non-pet were ver viable. But with all the pushing for pets to be the main source of damage, people don't feel there's really any diversity in builds. While i'm pretty sure the other classes (aside from the templar jabs dilemma) have a variety if builds can do similar amounts of damage. Sorcs who don't want to use pets are forced to pull much less than petsorcs.

It is not sorcs who complain too much but other players about sorc, and especially streak, it’s absurd, as if other classes don’t have unique strong abilities (or if that is lacking, that is what should be the topic of their posts!).

Shields are very lackluster if they’re supposed to make up for the lack of a burst heal in my opinion. Streak is really the only useful defense we have.

My main complaint is, as you’ve pointed out, pets. Being a summoner petsorc should be a viable option but not the only one! I had wanted to create a lightning stormsorc, alas…

PhoenixGrey

MetallicMonk wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

I don't think you do know the build or you wouldn't think the class is as bad as you seem to, that or you haven't tried it yourself.

I do agree though I don't think scaling shields off HP is a good idea whatsoever, increasing the shield a bit and reducing its cost would be much more agreeable to me. I can almost guarantee they're doing this because it simultaneously helps off-meta sorc tanks in pve though.

I primarily think mag sorc has serious defensive issues.

This issue will come to light if you are trying to hold your own against multiple decent players who are not exactly elite but know what they are doing. There are top tier tier players on other classes who do fine in these scenarios.
The issues also come to light in no CP bgs against high MMR players.

I know the build you are talking about involves rallying cry but there are other classes which can use the same sets and perform better

Streak does not just magically make up for all the defensive problems.

gariondavey

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

MetallicMonk wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

I don't think you do know the build or you wouldn't think the class is as bad as you seem to, that or you haven't tried it yourself.

I do agree though I don't think scaling shields off HP is a good idea whatsoever, increasing the shield a bit and reducing its cost would be much more agreeable to me. I can almost guarantee they're doing this because it simultaneously helps off-meta sorc tanks in pve though.

I primarily think mag sorc has serious defensive issues.

This issue will come to light if you are trying to hold your own against multiple decent players who are not exactly elite but know what they are doing. There are top tier tier players on other classes who do fine in these scenarios.
The issues also come to light in no CP bgs against high MMR players.

I know the build you are talking about involves rallying cry but there are other classes which can use the same sets and perform better

Streak does not just magically make up for all the defensive problems.

Magsorc with ddf + rallying cry + chudan + wv is pretty dang well rounded. I know a few people who run this and they slap

Ecgberht_confused

Top players will make any class work well. But the class needs to perform for the average player too.

We need a reliable in-class burst heal that's not tied to killable pets. Our burst doesn't need more power, but perhaps some panache. Frags would really do with either a reduce cast time (so we can weave it a little easier) or a faster projectile. And lastly the passives need to be slightly modernised.

We were promised some love after U35. ZoS this is our valentine's wishlist, not buffs to pets and shields

PhoenixGrey

gariondavey wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

MetallicMonk wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

I don't think you do know the build or you wouldn't think the class is as bad as you seem to, that or you haven't tried it yourself.

I do agree though I don't think scaling shields off HP is a good idea whatsoever, increasing the shield a bit and reducing its cost would be much more agreeable to me. I can almost guarantee they're doing this because it simultaneously helps off-meta sorc tanks in pve though.

I primarily think mag sorc has serious defensive issues.

This issue will come to light if you are trying to hold your own against multiple decent players who are not exactly elite but know what they are doing. There are top tier tier players on other classes who do fine in these scenarios.
The issues also come to light in no CP bgs against high MMR players.

I know the build you are talking about involves rallying cry but there are other classes which can use the same sets and perform better

Streak does not just magically make up for all the defensive problems.

Magsorc with ddf + rallying cry + chudan + wv is pretty dang well rounded. I know a few people who run this and they slap

Still not good enough relatively

PhoenixGrey

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

Are you telling me how my build works? I have a youtube channel with 1vX videos using this build for 3+ patches… Sets are unchanged, just abilities…

Your videos are good. And it takes a pretty good player to pull that off

However I don’t think even hybrid sorc is remotely even B tier. Defense is pretty non existent.

Turtle_Bot

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Same main sets as my normal stamsorc build but with Chudan and Ice staff back bar:





Fully buffed with pots and CP, no continuous. Essence thief adds another 500-800 recovery and 10% damage done on top. Pen is around 21k fully buffed with Major/Minor Breach and Cwep pen. Daedric Trickery gives Major Expedition/Vitality/Mending/Heroism/Protection. Can always drop it for more damage but I doubt it's necessary. The only thing missing is a burst heal, but next patch with HP scaling Hardened Ward I can drop Bound Aegis for that (Shield is way better than blocking).

As you can see, it is not that hard to come up with a build that still has the magsorc playstyle but better. Whether you want to do that or not is your choice.

I'm sorry, but I can't take this build seriously as an open world option. Less than 18k physical resistance in the current meta is just asking to get 1 shot unless you have well over 40k health. Especially on PC EU where builds/bugs are exploited as soon as they are discovered and performance forces tankiness because skills still don't work reliably.
Most "squishy" builds are currently running buffed, 25k+ armor, regular builds at 30k+ and tanks at 35k+.

I know this build won't work, I've tried similar builds in the past (even back when resto was strong and fixed our healing issues), but buffed resistances that low without sea-serpents and 4 defensive blue CP just screams gank me.

Are you telling me how my build works? I have a youtube channel with 1vX videos using this build for 3+ patches… Sets are unchanged, just abilities…

I'm sure it works for you on PC NA where lag, skill failure and all the other bugs are much less prevalent due to the server upgrades, but on PC EU where I play, I have ran very similar builds and they did not work at all, the lag is far too punishing, the builds in pvp are different and much tankier and as I said in my post, any time an exploit, bug or OP build is found it is immediately abused so running around with barely 21k resistances in openworld cyrodiil just doesn't cut it unless you're part of a group that can carry that low defense.
It becomes a DPS race and since the build effectively has no armor, it always loses that race except against very bad players.

I’ve always used the build even before server upgrades. I wouldn’t post the build if it wasn’t field tested.

And I did say that it wasn't only the server performance being the difference between your build working for you and it not working for me.

There's a huge difference between EU and NA pvp, more so than NA players like to admit. I've watched players from both servers, played on both servers and have friends that have played very high level pvp on both servers and every time it's come back as EU is much harder to run squishy builds on due to multiple factors, everyone being much tankier, many more players exploiting broken/bugged/OP builds, more/larger zergs that have no chill, less mediocre players, server performance and other factors such as playstyles.

Don't take this as "you're a bad player" because that is definitely not what I'm trying to say or infer, it is only meant to point out that there are many differences between the servers and players and what works for someone on 1 server won't work for someone else on another server, or even on the same server due to many different factors.

gariondavey

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

MetallicMonk wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I am not too bothered about how much sorc is buffed as long as they raise the ceiling. The recent buff is exactly the opposite direction.

I know the build you are talking about but I just don't think its defensively good enough compared to other specs in the game.

I don't think you do know the build or you wouldn't think the class is as bad as you seem to, that or you haven't tried it yourself.

I do agree though I don't think scaling shields off HP is a good idea whatsoever, increasing the shield a bit and reducing its cost would be much more agreeable to me. I can almost guarantee they're doing this because it simultaneously helps off-meta sorc tanks in pve though.

I primarily think mag sorc has serious defensive issues.

This issue will come to light if you are trying to hold your own against multiple decent players who are not exactly elite but know what they are doing. There are top tier tier players on other classes who do fine in these scenarios.
The issues also come to light in no CP bgs against high MMR players.

I know the build you are talking about involves rallying cry but there are other classes which can use the same sets and perform better

Streak does not just magically make up for all the defensive problems.

Magsorc with ddf + rallying cry + chudan + wv is pretty dang well rounded. I know a few people who run this and they slap

Still not good enough relatively

Disagree. Have a nice day.