How’s Templar looking?

nwilliams2107b16_ESO

As per title, can’t get on for a while how’s the changes to Templar looking?

Firstmep

The new jabs animation is absolutely terrible. I bet they thought its a graphical update. Its not...
Other than that, Templar looking allright imho.

xylena_lazarow

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

virtus753

Seeing the same same 30k loss on parses so far compared to live that Wardens are seeing.

That's with the significant buffs to the trial dummy.

LukosCreyden

@Firstmep anywhere I can see a video of the new animation? Console pleb so no pts for me.

Billium813

Ritual of Retribution is looking good with a +58% damage increase over the duration

stargleen

Jab animation is horrible! Pls change this.

DeathStalker

stargleen wrote: »

Jab animation is horrible! Pls change this.

I second this

Extinct_Solo_Player

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@Firstmep anywhere I can see a video of the new animation? Console pleb so no pts for me.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ManlySassyHerringVoteYea-GcIKl32k-dAlYbwY

Firstmep

New jab animation is so bad it makes me wanna quit my templar completely.
They replaced the spear made of light and the glowing arms with a slightly opaque yellow noodle.
Like wtf..

Cadbury

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

@Firstmep anywhere I can see a video of the new animation? Console pleb so no pts for me.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ManlySassyHerringVoteYea-GcIKl32k-dAlYbwY

Poor Deltia

MellowMagic

Man I took like a 1 year break from eso, safe to say probably not returning anytime soon. Wtf animation is that, what have they done to my boy.

Marto

Those spear animations look pretty great! Faaar more accurate to how you'd actually use a spear.

The color of the particle effects seems a bit off. I was expecting it to be more yellow and have more bloom. But the animation itself is good.

taugrim

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

Burning Light got gutted.

Granted, it's too strong on live right now.

But it's going to take twice as long to fire in U35 and it will hit for 33% less damage.

Seems over-nerfed to me.

Necrotech_Master

taugrim wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

Burning Light got gutted.

Granted, it's too strong on live right now.

But it's going to take twice as long to fire in U35 and it will hit for 33% less damage.

Seems over-nerfed to me.

seems almost par for the course in terms of zos balance changes lol

i wonder how much of this stuff will actually make it to live in this state

lordspyder

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

Burning Light got gutted.

Granted, it's too strong on live right now.

But it's going to take twice as long to fire in U35 and it will hit for 33% less damage.

Seems over-nerfed to me.

seems almost par for the course in terms of zos balance changes lol

i wonder how much of this stuff will actually make it to live in this state

Hopefully none of it

TPishek

I actually really like the templar changes overall, but the nerf to jabs damage doesn't really make sense to me. It was already possible to weave light attacks between jabs, what.

Firstmep

taugrim wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

Burning Light got gutted.

Granted, it's too strong on live right now.

But it's going to take twice as long to fire in U35 and it will hit for 33% less damage.

Seems over-nerfed to me.

I like the idea that skills other than jabs can reliably proc it, but its defo an overall dmg nerf.
Meanwhile suprise attack is guaranteed crit now, beacuse reasons.

The_Jster

I just realized the new "Spear" is just the Nighthollow staff. they turned it from unique spear of light to reskinned vampire staff lul

merpins

The new jabs feels fine to use, but I like the old animation better. I'm seeing a 15k dps loss on a trial dummy, 10k after some changes to my skills and rotation. But they did make it so you hit the trial dummy harder this PTS, so it's more likely a 20k dps loss or more.

virtus753

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

The new jabs feels fine to use, but I like the old animation better. I'm seeing a 15k dps loss on a trial dummy, 10k after some changes to my skills and rotation. But they did make it so you hit the trial dummy harder this PTS, so it's more likely a 20k dps loss or more.

10k loss from what on live, may I ask?

merpins

virtus753 wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

The new jabs feels fine to use, but I like the old animation better. I'm seeing a 15k dps loss on a trial dummy, 10k after some changes to my skills and rotation. But they did make it so you hit the trial dummy harder this PTS, so it's more likely a 20k dps loss or more.

10k loss from what on live, may I ask?

110k. So on PTS it's 100k. I'm not top of the top end by any means, but I do decent damage generally.

virtus753

Billium813 wrote: »

Ritual of Retribution is looking good with a +58% damage increase over the duration

How are you calculating that? I'm getting a 7% increase comparing the total damage done for each cast, and that's a major nerf to actual dps, since it takes 20 seconds to get that 107% instead of 12 seconds to get 100% of live damage. That's a dps nerf of about 36% on this skill, assuming it's kept up perfectly and that the boss sits in it the whole time. The loss will be worse on mobile fights where it needs to be recast, since it's much more heavily loaded on the back end on PTS compared to live.

Remember that it's 5% or 12% of the base damage per tick, not compounding.

ETA: dps calcs.

virtus753

They've really got to buff Deadly Strike if they're going through with these enormous changes to Jabs and DoTs.

15% on abilities that have been neutered by 25-33% will result in a very dead set, and it's one of the few things giving stamplar any sense of identity right now.

XiangliSYD

How much damage% loss for jabs in reality?

Baconlad

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

TPishek

Baconlad wrote: »

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvOY14GoWY

KingExecration

Templar main here, everyone that’s not a nb is the antagonist in the story now.

Currently, the Nightblade's melee spammable options are a bit behind other melee spammables in terms of both flavor and impact, so we're adjusting both morphs to give some love. Surprise Attack's morph option reinforces the need for positioning as an assassin and continues to add some minor damage with the Sundered proc, while Concealed Weapon retains its stealthy and agile emphasis with less restrictions and more reward for playing from the shadows.

Baconlad

Omg....they better update the entire line to look like that. Also what is that last hit? That looks absolutely terrible...

Think it may be time to go into retirement mode. Richs comments recently prove he hates when the community complains about stupid things he has implemented...so fkn sad

merpins

On a side note, the new Flurry animation feels much better to use. Of course it's just two light attack animations, one with your right hand and one with you left hand done faster than light attacking twice, but it feels better to use than the old one. Jabs might have a not as good animation, but Flurry came out with a nice improvement. Felt kinda trash to use before, now it's like I'm playing the drums but on the boss' face.

James-Wayne

Oh no the Jabs animation and visuals is so bad and my single target damage has dropped massively. Deadly is useless now, no idea which set is good for Templar now. AOE damage is fine but its about single target damage that matters, the only class spammable has been crushed.