How’s Templar looking?

Baconlad

So between light attacks being nerfed, empower being nerfed, solar barrage being nerfed, burning light being nerfed, and most importantly strikes being WAY over handedly nerfed...this patch is looking to be my worst since the 60% dark flare nerf patch...maybe even worse cause now I don't have an option to go to spears...guess we're all gonna go elemental weapon now?

Baconlad

OMG guys I get it...I understand! We all need to put on oakensoul and four defensive abilities, then use light attack on one spammable...cause I can't fathom how dots are even going to be worth the cost

merpins

James-Wayne wrote: »

Oh no the Jabs animation and visuals is so bad and my single target damage has dropped massively. Deadly is useless now

They reduced the damage by 21% on single target because something something light attack weaving.
I mean, when you weaved before, you didn't suffer a DPS loss with jabs at all, so their point here was an excuse. It still does ~12-16k damage. Still good, and still feels good to use. But it looks bad, the old animation was way cooler looking.

It did need a nerf, it's been really strong for a long time. I was expecting 10% at some point, but you know how ZoS is with their sledgehammer nerfs.

Also how is Deadly useless now? It still effects the skill just fine. It's just that it overall deals 21% less damage, which blows.

Nevidyra

These changes to Templar have made me want to uninstall the game, frankly. The class got nerfed into the ground- who the heck asked for these changes? Templar was massively struggling in PvE and was one of the lowest parsing classes before this, and then they nerf it even FURTHER? Hello? What?

The new jabs animation is incredibly lame and the nerf to our damage makes it borderline unplayable. WTB class change token.

merpins

Baconlad wrote: »

So between light attacks being nerfed, empower being nerfed, solar barrage being nerfed, burning light being nerfed, and most importantly strikes being WAY over handedly nerfed...this patch is looking to be my worst since the 60% dark flare nerf patch...maybe even worse cause now I don't have an option to go to spears...guess we're all gonna go elemental weapon now?

Empower got a buff with the current state of Light Attacking. If empower stayed 40%, then you'd only get 900 damage from empower with base light attack damage. 1800 is a buff, but only for this current patch. If they revert LA, they'll need to revert Empower.

But I do agree with you. With so many nerfs this patch, the entire next update feels bad.

merpins

Nevidyra wrote: »

These changes to Templar have made me want to uninstall the game, frankly. The class got nerfed into the ground- who the heck asked for these changes? Templar was massively struggling in PvE and was one of the lowest parsing classes before this, and then they nerf it even FURTHER? Hello? What?

The new jabs animation is incredibly lame and the nerf to our damage makes it borderline unplayable. WTB class change token.

I'd be happy if they just reverted the Jabs change. Old jabs was nicer to use, and was better in every way.

taugrim

TPishek wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvOY14GoWY

This doesn't look that bad. I was expecting something far worse from the early comments in this thread.

Then again, I don't know why they're bothering making it hit 3 times instead of 4.

I don't know how they could fix Burning Light if they want it to work for any abilities / spammable. The new Jabs will still proc BL at a faster rate (with 2 hits registered per cast).

HiImRex

taugrim wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvOY14GoWY

This doesn't look that bad. I was expecting something far worse from the early comments in this thread.

Then again, I don't know why they're bothering making it hit 3 times instead of 4.

I don't know how they could fix Burning Light if they want it to work for any abilities / spammable. The new Jabs will still proc BL at a faster rate (with 2 hits registered per cast).

That's not true, the delay for stacking BL in live is 1ms, or pretty much 0... in otherwords, you can get a burning light with 1 cast of jabs on live. With toppling/spear, crescent sweep, and/or shards you can ramp up the tempo of BL even further (I understand in PVE toppling/spear would never be used, but it is a staple in pvp).

On PTS the delay for stacking BL is 500 ms (0.5s). You can only get a max of 2 stacks per second.

Live ideal scenario - BL procs every 1000 ms (1s)
PTS ideal scenario - BL procs every 2000 ms (2s) and does 33% less damage when it does proc

Extinct_Solo_Player

taugrim wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jabs is hitting fewer times, doing less damage per hit, and getting far fewer Burning Light procs. Looks grim so far.

Burning Light got gutted.

Granted, it's too strong on live right now.

But it's going to take twice as long to fire in U35 and it will hit for 33% less damage.

Seems over-nerfed to me.

Nevidyra wrote: »

These changes to Templar have made me want to uninstall the game, frankly. The class got nerfed into the ground- who the heck asked for these changes? Templar was massively struggling in PvE and was one of the lowest parsing classes before this, and then they nerf it even FURTHER? Hello? What?

The new jabs animation is incredibly lame and the nerf to our damage makes it borderline unplayable. WTB class change token.

totally, adding a half second cooldown to burning light was enough as it is, the damage nerf to both jabs and burning light need to be reverted.

Alutora

As a Templar main for years this has finally made me unsub from ESO. Thought I’ll never do it, but here I am. 😁

Sanctimonia

taugrim wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvOY14GoWY

This doesn't look that bad. I was expecting something far worse from the early comments in this thread.

Then again, I don't know why they're bothering making it hit 3 times instead of 4.

I don't know how they could fix Burning Light if they want it to work for any abilities / spammable. The new Jabs will still proc BL at a faster rate (with 2 hits registered per cast).

No.
Best case scenario, you can proc BL half as often, with 2/3 of the previous damage. That sums up to a laughable 33% of it's previous total damage over time, even if you manage to proc it on the clock - every 2 seconds.

Also, justifying the multiple levels of nerfs with the timing of light attack weaving is just so ignorant that it makes the people who thought of this change look either disingenuous or simply incompetent, maybe both.

Synozeer

I am seriously considering giving up the Templar lifestyle with these changes.

LeBrenn

Oh boy, the animation... This update HAVE to be a joke.
A terrible one.

Stx

This is probably the worst patch I can remember in the history of this game. The new jabs are horrendous, damage was gutted even though it wasn't supposed to be and the new animation is dog water. DoTs are completely useless unless you are wacking a stationary raid boss.

Thevampirenight

At least on the brightside you can roleplay the jabs ability as wielding an actual spear.
Just get a Nighthollow staff outfit style, apply it. Enjoy you are now a spear wielder.
I think they can make it look a bit more holy even with the actual spear look. Maybe have one morph make it look like a corrupted version of the skill. Aka Dark Jabs.

IZZEFlameLash

Baconlad wrote: »

OMG guys I get it...I understand! We all need to put on oakensoul and four defensive abilities, then use light attack on one spammable...cause I can't fathom how dots are even going to be worth the cost

Sorry to burst your bubble, Oakensoul is also not worth giving up back bar now.

Joosef_Kivikilpi

HiImRex wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Been searching for a clip of new animation for hours. No one asked for delta looking crazy with a pool noodle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvOY14GoWY

This doesn't look that bad. I was expecting something far worse from the early comments in this thread.

Then again, I don't know why they're bothering making it hit 3 times instead of 4.

I don't know how they could fix Burning Light if they want it to work for any abilities / spammable. The new Jabs will still proc BL at a faster rate (with 2 hits registered per cast).

That's not true, the delay for stacking BL in live is 1ms, or pretty much 0... in otherwords, you can get a burning light with 1 cast of jabs on live. With toppling/spear, crescent sweep, and/or shards you can ramp up the tempo of BL even further (I understand in PVE toppling/spear would never be used, but it is a staple in pvp).

On PTS the delay for stacking BL is 500 ms (0.5s). You can only get a max of 2 stacks per second.

Live ideal scenario - BL procs every 1000 ms (1s)
PTS ideal scenario - BL procs every 2000 ms (2s) and does 33% less damage when it does proc

Only a 67% damage per second nerf of the passive if proccing at cooldown in comparison to live settings.... 🤦🏼‍♂️ They really just don't know how to bring other classes up to feeling enjoyable to play like Templar has been.

Rikakiah

I like the new animation concept. The actual spear part looks dumb, but overall, I think it looks better. I've always thought the current animation just looks like a hokey beam of light. Maybe just "magify" up the spear in the new animation instead of a bland hologram of an actual spear.

Marto

taugrim wrote: »

Then again, I don't know why they're bothering making it hit 3 times instead of 4.

Less audio noise and visual clutter, perhaps.

ZiggyTStardust

I don't mind them nerfing the damage of jabs, but the new animations are sereiously killing my intrest in playing templar

virtus753

ZiggyTStardust wrote: »

I don't mind them nerfing the damage of jabs, but the new animations are sereiously killing my intrest in playing templar

I mind them nerfing jabs with a comment that suggests they don't know how to weave on a templar.

endgamesmug

Well i could get on the struggle bus with templar changes going forward or i could go jump on one of my five nightblades i have for the patch😆 seems a clear easy choice now

virtus753

endgamesmug wrote: »

Well i could get on the struggle bus with templar changes going forward or i could go jump on one of my five nightblades i have for the patch😆 seems a clear easy choice now

Lol! Glad you have that, and hope you enjoy

I've played stamplar since (my) Day 1 five years ago and never stopped. I'd sooner stop playing the game than give up my jabs. Even if they hit 25% softer now...

MajorSnakeFox

The new Jabs looks like a ***. Why?

Cast_El

Why?

Cast_El

I use to 1vX.
With healing nerfed and poncturing sweep nerfed and burning light nerfed, now I will struggle in simple duel.
Seems everyone will switch to nightblade and warden.
Nightblade main spammable will always crit, and they will get full life even with battle spirit what a joke.
I don't play nightblade because it's so easy it's boring, but there is a lot of meta chaser... People will cry because there will be even more nightblade and they will got one shot

Why buff this class so much and Nerf templar so badly?
Why?
Think about what you have done, get some sleep. Get back to work and fix this, thank you

Cast_El

I think another why is mandatory:
"Why?"

Bokila

With the dots taking over it seemed a bit obvious to nerf the class with the best purge

Rhaegar75

anyone tried PvPing on the PTS yet? how are plars doing?

Nevidyra

Bad. Jabs are terrible now. Rapid strikes are a better spammable and people are using them instead now.