What are you thoughts on having consequences upon death in ESO ?

WiseSky

Permadeath = char gets deleted if you died
Levels, Skills, experience and CP lost upon death
Equipment, Inventory and Gold destroyed or being left to be looted by other players
Having to walk back to your body to get your stuff and respawn.
Having to travel back to the area every time you died, as you respawn at a temple
Having to go through an obstacle course in oblivion to come back to life

TaSheen

No please, Here is why :

That sort of unfun is not why I play any game I've ever played. The only way I'd continue playing was if that was on a totally separate server (well, 6 - one for each platform and region).

Just.... eww.

LeBrenn

No please, Here is why :

I like PvE being ''light'' as it is and only having trouble for dying in Cyro

CGPsaint

No please, Here is why :

Absolutely not. There is literally nothing appealing about that suggestion. I'm guessing you don't do any endgame content in ESO.

belial5221_ESO

Those are the reasons most games die,or barely hang on.New players would quit as soon as they die and see a reset,or have to walk across map to get their 2 trash items,and hope to not die again.It could also bring in PKers,or people luring mobs to kill other players to loot em,if that was the option.The game is fine and fun as is,no need to completely revamp and kill it off.

UntilValhalla13

No please, Here is why :

Go prog one of the last 2 trial hard modes and then report back.

Malthorne

No please, Here is why :

I think it’s an outdated concept for general gameplay. Perhaps it could work in certain instances or game modes if ESO were to try to create a different type of game space for us to play around in.

AzuraFan

No please, Here is why :

My thoughts are that it would be the end of ESO.

Mik195

No please, Here is why :

I don't play high stakes for fun. If I want risky and frustrating, I'll try to talk to my boss and remind him of all the things he's forgetting.

Dagoth_Rac

No please, Here is why :

The game is designed from the ground up for your character to die constantly. In PvE, in PvP. Everywhere. Even the best players on the servers will die over and over while progressing through difficult content. Trying to shoehorn a death penalty into a game that is so heavily dependent on character death as a game mechanic and teaching tool would completely break the game.

Gnesnig

Yes please, Here is why:

There is no real cost for death in the game. Couple that with underwhelming bosses for 99% of the solo content, makes the game seem too easy.

It shouldn't be frustrating, but the way things are now is far too easy and because of the scaling, everything seems generic. At present, I'd say the self life for me is six months as I'm already dreading certain repetative tasks and seeing the same patterns applied in all story lines.

A more stringent penalty for death isn't going to fix all that, but it's a good step towards that.

JD2013

No please, Here is why :

Wrong kind of game.

Kiralyn2000

No please, Here is why :

It's fine the way it is.

Also

Equipment, Inventory and Gold destroyed or being left to be looted by other players

There is not enough No in the universe to respond properly to this one.

Deter1UK

No please, Here is why :

Just for interest here is the Death Penalty description from Asheron's Call an MMORPG I played 22 years ago (gasp)!


The Penalty
When you are slain, you'll resurrect at the last lifestone to which you attuned your character, having lost one or more valuable items, half your pyreals (Gold), if any, and a percentage of your "vitae," or life force. All your skills are decreased by the percentage of your vitae loss and so are the maximum values of your secondary attributes -- Health, Stamina, and Mana.

Recovering
Fortunately, you won't be in immediate danger of being killed again, because you're invulnerable to attack for a full minute if you don't attack another creature or cast any spells. Also, your secondary attributes, even if all had been reduced to 0 when you died, will be at 75 percent of their new maximum score, and any poisons or harmful enchantments afflicting you just before you died will be gone, giving you a fighting chance of making it back to town or meeting up with your allies.

Your first order of business after gaining safety usually will be to seek your corpse, which is left at the location of your demise. If you died outdoors, the coordinates for this corpse will be broadcast to you upon your arrival at the Lifestone. You can also find the location of your last corpse outdoors by typing @corpse. Since your vitae and equipment loss will make it harder to deal with whatever hazard caused your demise, seek some extra help before returning, but don't take too long. Your corpse only persists for five minutes for each level you've attained (with a one hour minimum), and then fades, leaving your items on the ground for anyone to pick up. If you think you'll have trouble returning to your corpse, consider cutting your losses and concentrating on reducing your vitae penalty instead. Keep in mind that neither Online Staff nor Support are able to produce items that have been lost.

You work off your vitae loss by gaining experience points. At any given level, you will probably identify an ideal set of monsters to hunt as "vitae fodder."

colossalvoids

Hardcore mode is kinda pointless in this exact game because it's based on trial and error death/rebirth cycle to succeed, not quite in a Sekiro or DS sense but still. Those fit nicely in games like Diablo instead, where they actually belong.

Also online game with such performance latency issues it's quite strange one to consider.

Gnesnig

Yes please, Here is why:

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

The game is designed from the ground up for your character to die constantly. In PvE, in PvP. Everywhere. Even the best players on the servers will die over and over while progressing through difficult content. Trying to shoehorn a death penalty into a game that is so heavily dependent on character death as a game mechanic and teaching tool would completely break the game.

That's a good point , so the mechanics shouldn't change. But come on, in 3 months play I have accumulated >1k "spare" soul gems, after selling 2 stacks to make room in bank. Plenty repair kits and hardly use them, because going to a merchant is an option most of the time.

Deter1UK

No please, Here is why :

OH! And in PVP players corpses were lootable!

(plenty of players fighting in rags wih a cheap dagger)

Heartrage

No please, Here is why :

There is nothing wrong with these mechanics, however, eso wasn’t designed for them and they are already in other more hardcore mmo. So I just don’t see the point in having them in eso.

Necrotech_Master

No please, Here is why :

you should be thankful that this isnt one of those awful grindy MMOs that you lose xp when you die, especially when you can grind for 8 hours for 10% gain, and then lose 10% on a single death, and to get efficient xp gain have to fight something +10 your level

Hapexamendios

No please, Here is why :

Hell no is why.

spartaxoxo

No please, Here is why :

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

The game is designed from the ground up for your character to die constantly. In PvE, in PvP. Everywhere. Even the best players on the servers will die over and over while progressing through difficult content. Trying to shoehorn a death penalty into a game that is so heavily dependent on character death as a game mechanic and teaching tool would completely break the game.

SO. MUCH. THIS! There's even a quest where you're required to die. The entire game is designed around the lore that the Vestige respawns on death. They put in mechanics that are often difficult to discern what happened until you read your death recap, which is an essential part of learning to beat difficult combos and encounters.

Like, I hate permadeath in general. But this game especially should never have it. I personally think permadeath would absolutely destroy this game. And I'm not being hyperbolic, that's my genuine belief. Too much of the lore and the gameplay loops for difficult content revolves around your character dying and respawning.

karthrag_inak

No please, Here is why :

LOL. Someone wants UO experience.

Tandor

No please, Here is why :

No, because the EQ generation has moved on in the past 20 years, myself included.

Also, ESO is a story and lore driven MMORPG in which permadeath and other serious consequences of losing a fight are completely inappropriate and game-breaking.

Aislinna

No please, Here is why :

The first time my character is deleted, or my gear, skill, levels, gold, etc. is deleted, is when I start looking for another game to play. If I know this is the model before I buy the game, I just don't even buy it.

redspecter23

No please, Here is why :

If you want to set up some optional rules for yourself to follow while going through the game, go right ahead. Adding something like this as a mandatory penalty 8 years into the game would lead to a very fast end to the game.

El_Borracho

No please, Here is why :

This is why you constantly saved your game in GTA, so you wouldn't have to pay the cops your hard-earned cash and/or lose weapons. Why would anyone want this in a game where you can die and die a lot? Hard pass

Browiseth

No please, Here is why :

i mean what would further consequences for death even accomplish in this game? you could add all the punishments in the world, and even if we assume it's a reasonable design decision, all it does is go towards sending the player a specific message

"try not to die again"

considering the fact that dying in this game means you lose all your progress on a boss fight or an encounter and need to try again, that message is already sent, so the system of dying, respawning and trying again is already doing its job

kevkj

No please, Here is why :

It doesn't matter if that's fun for you or not, but just take a look at Imperial City for 95% of the days in a year if you want a preview of what the game population will be like.

Artim_X

No please, Here is why :

Tel Var gain and loss in the Imperial City is what scratches my soulsborne esque "you died" itch.

Tannus15

No please, Here is why :

I've played a lot of games with death "penalties" and it doesn't make it more fun in anyway. It punishes you for attempting harder content and drives away players who don't want that kind of stress.

LanteanPegasus

No please, Here is why :

As others said, it is an MMORPG.
I'm here to experience the stories, and to imagine my character in them. To collect and build nice things (outfits and housing) that fit these experiences. To explore the game world, and enjoy the lore. Lots of others are here for the same reasons.
Nearly every "consequence" you suggested would hinder that, some would make it impossible. (I'd tolerate having to return from some respawn-temple, but that's the absolute maximum.)

Things like having to walk back to your body as a ghost, or having to do some obstacle course would be a fun killing, repetitive waste of time. (And time to play the game is a limited resource.)
Things like loss of gold, XP, equipment would just be a nuisance that keeps me from getting where I really want to be to do what I'm actually here to do. (Leveling my character is/was fun. Leveling them again and again and again is just boring. Collecting gold to buy things is part of the game. Having to start over repeatedly for the same goal, well, as said before.)
And things like permadeath in a game with as much weight on character design and lore as ESO has is just insane. This isn't "pick one of three classes and a gender, then you're ready to go". Lots of people spend hours creating their character. If you just kill off said character they either have to think up and design a new one for hours, or re-create the old one and try to ignore (lore-wise) that he/she/it just died. And replay all the quests. And whatnot.

ESO isn't based on "beat the game" as the driving source of entertainment. And so any consequence for "not beating it" by dying won't be likely to enhance said entertainment, but will very effectively hamper the other sources, the ones the game is much more aimed at.