Please change the safebox lead

The_Lex

I just got the lockbox lead. I picked the lock.

Jaraal

Pevey wrote: »

You can also change your scroll speed to very high in your mouse settings (not in the game, in your OS). I think that has an effect on how often the interact action is triggered. It's hard to say for sure.

I'm imagining the possible effect of hundreds of players spamming 50 "clicks" per second with a mousewheel on the server(s). Has anyone yet been auto kicked for "sending too many messages" to the server?

dredgemundo

Jaraal wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

You can also change your scroll speed to very high in your mouse settings (not in the game, in your OS). I think that has an effect on how often the interact action is triggered. It's hard to say for sure.

I'm imagining the possible effect of hundreds of players spamming 50 "clicks" per second with a mousewheel on the server(s). Has anyone yet been auto kicked for "sending too many messages" to the server?

Yes, even Nefas was booted from the NA server for spamming "E" (video is on his youtube). The design for this lead here is exactly that: you have to press "E" like crazy for several minutes to win the "spamming contest" - but not so much that it'll get you booted from the server.

Carcamongus

I visited Murkmire to grab a chest from treasure map and saw a crowd huddling over a safebox spawn point. At first I found that hilarious, but then realized how bloody stressful that was, especially after noticing how toxic zone chat was. One player even suggested shaming people who didn't turn auto-loot off. I then felt very sorry for the players who were trying to get the lead, as their situation was quite humiliating. A game is meant to be fun and entertaining and having to spend hours camping a spot spamming E in order to maybe have a chance of having a chance of getting the lead is neither. This kind of struggle sours the gaming experience and it might be an own goal for the devs. Please, don't create situations that bring out the worst in people and make them bitter.

Amottica

HonestLoverr wrote: »

ZOS????????? Does anyone of you devs even read here?????

They have and have commented specifically on this lead. Just in a different thread.

wow, and I see they have comment in this thread at least once.

silver1surfer69

This is such a poor design. What happpens is that dozens of ppl sit on a safebox and scroll their mousewheel (if you asignt the key to interact with the box to you mousewheel you have a higher chance to actually interact first). This is so stupid. You could bring ppl to do something meaningfull and enjoyable and creative by desiging the tasks and you design this! And it forces ppl to stay up late.

wolfie1.0.

Amottica wrote: »

HonestLoverr wrote: »

ZOS????????? Does anyone of you devs even read here?????

They have and have commented specifically on this lead. Just in a different thread.

wow, and I see they have comment in this thread at least once.

And yet they still havn't answered the question to settle the debate and toxicity. Even if they plan to or are in the process of reworking the lead. They should at least start with settling that debate. I imagine it might cut back on the harrassment reports they get.

Jaraal

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

HonestLoverr wrote: »

ZOS????????? Does anyone of you devs even read here?????

They have and have commented specifically on this lead. Just in a different thread.

wow, and I see they have comment in this thread at least once.

And yet they still haven't answered the question to settle the debate and toxicity. Even if they plan to or are in the process of reworking the lead. They should at least start with settling that debate. I imagine it might cut back on the harrassment reports they get.

Yes, people will still claim that multiple people can get the leads from the same box, and they will claim (as they have since the beginning of the game) that leaving items in a safebox/treasure chest delays the respawn timer.

ZOS could easily provide a yes or no answer to questions about long established coding timers, regardless of and separate to their internal discussion about lead camping bottlenecks. Yet they choose to remain silent, as the zone chat festers and foments with arguments about both.

Why?

darvaria

Yeah I got the lead yesterday. Went back to Murkmire a few minutes ago. Players are still miserable there. I know some trolls may enjoy this, but this is simply not right. It's not like this requires "skill". You've got to increase the drop rates. If someone opens a box, it should be in there.

Do something to disperse of that bottleneck of players stuck in Murkmire. It's taken the enjoyment out of actually getting the ring away from me. There should be a reasonable amount of time required to get this. Increase RNG and facilitate an enjoyable gaming environment.

Why am I still here and I have the ring? Because this is simply wrong.

Durham

Next mythic will be 1 button mythic. Just run 1 button! Why not same concept? Why ruin or mess with the dynamic play of bar swap that make use of 12 abilities. Oakensoul is effective at bringing down combat to level a that makes combat boring. 1 bar pvp corrosive setup can be more effective then an any 2 bar corrosive setup. This ring does not need major heroism, or major force. It could still be used by people struggling with bar swapping. I’m sorry such a bad direction.

Crimsonwolf666

Thank ya'll for letting me know not to bother with this lead. I know when I see 40+ peeps hovering around a certain point, to not bother lol

Snamyap

Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »

Thank ya'll for letting me know not to bother with this lead. I know when I see 40+ peeps hovering around a certain point, to not bother lol

Yeah, I will wait till it calms down, or they change the way it's acquired. Plenty of other stuff still to do in this chapter.

StihlReign

darvaria wrote: »

Yeah I got the lead yesterday. Went back to Murkmire a few minutes ago. Players are still miserable there. I know some trolls may enjoy this, but this is simply not right. It's not like this requires "skill". You've got to increase the drop rates. If someone opens a box, it should be in there.

Do something to disperse of that bottleneck of players stuck in Murkmire. It's taken the enjoyment out of actually getting the ring away from me. There should be a reasonable amount of time required to get this. Increase RNG and facilitate an enjoyable gaming environment.

Why am I still here and I have the ring? Because this is simply wrong.

Maintenance for the week of June 13:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – June 13

So do you guys still get hotfixes or is this it (not sure, newly returned)

(Sitting in murkmire...)

Minnesinger

silver1surfer69 wrote: »

This is such a poor design. What happpens is that dozens of ppl sit on a safebox and scroll their mousewheel (if you asignt the key to interact with the box to you mousewheel you have a higher chance to actually interact first). This is so stupid. You could bring ppl to do something meaningfull and enjoyable and creative by desiging the tasks and you design this! And it forces ppl to stay up late.

Yup I sat at a strong box for half an hour spamming my interaction key to realize this feels like a duty not fun at all. As it requires me to spend my free time in such a stupid way I will not get this lead. I do something else rather. Very bad design and mind you we pay for this experience!

Rowjoh

This will be very high up on a list of the worst mechanics in gaming history.

Grab your footage now folks, because it could be valuable material one day.

Crimsonwolf666

All you all letting me know of safebox lead before I get there, ty. THIS is why I wait a couple days/few days before going into a new zone. Super sucks for sure, ZoS should've known this would cause a HUGE hiccup, a HUGE backdraw.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

azy for several minutes to win the "spamming contest" - but not so much that it'll get you booted from the server.[/quote]

Durham wrote: »

Next mythic will be 1 button mythic. Just run 1 button! Why not same concept? Why ruin or mess with the dynamic play of bar swap that make use of 12 abilities. Oakensoul is effective at bringing down combat to level a that makes combat boring. 1 bar pvp corrosive setup can be more effective then an any 2 bar corrosive setup. This ring does not need major heroism, or major force. It could still be used by people struggling with bar swapping. I’m sorry such a bad direction.

Nothing is forcing you to use a 1 bar setup as it is obvious you aren't its intended audience. You can still use the unreliable bar swap that has only gotten less reliable with the move of character activity to the server.

Insignia91

Durham wrote: »

Next mythic will be 1 button mythic. Just run 1 button! Why not same concept? Why ruin or mess with the dynamic play of bar swap that make use of 12 abilities. Oakensoul is effective at bringing down combat to level a that makes combat boring. 1 bar pvp corrosive setup can be more effective then an any 2 bar corrosive setup. This ring does not need major heroism, or major force. It could still be used by people struggling with bar swapping. I’m sorry such a bad direction.

[snip] You don't have to use it. Swap your bars all you want. Some people prefer not too and you will never even notice.

[Edited for Baiting]

Yasha

Rowjoh wrote: »

This will be very high up on a list of the worst mechanics in gaming history.

Grab your footage now folks, because it could be valuable material one day.

I have to agree, and I did pick up some footage.

EmEm_Oh

Yeah, this doesn't sound fun. I encourage people to enjoy Murkmire's rather impressive environment and turn the chat off and just grind some XP there for the next week or so, in case you haven't been there that much.

TheDarkRuler

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

ZOS in a few months: "After multiple posts about toxicity and frustration getting the lead, we've increased the drop chance level from Soul-crushing up to What am I doing with my life?"

"... and while we're at it. Because the toxicity spike is off the charts, we decided to lessn the need to get the item. We nerfed the ring in like 5-6 things. Thanks for buying High Isles anyway." Something like this happened to Thrassian Stranglers and now the Wading Kilt before.

Ascarl

This is such a mess:

It drives player toxicity.

It adds server load as people are using mouse wheels to interact as often as possible with the server.

Argonian content becomes even more hated. Few who wasted so many hours there want to come back to the zone.

Gaeliannas

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZOS, I'm not upset, I'm just disappointed.

If this is indeed the drop location chosen for the lead, you really learned nothing from Shadowfen. Nothing from the RotPO. Fighting other players in a PvE zone should be DISCOURAGED, not encouraged. You have created a situation where other players around you are a BAD thing in an MMO. Please try harder next time.

ROFL... This is the next time.

Rowjoh

STILL no action on putting this right ?

StormWylf

I join with the comments above.

sgtkeebler

With all of this I think I will wait to buy the new expansion.

Cameryn

sgtkeebler wrote: »

With all of this I think I will wait to buy the new expansion.

And I'm not spending any more money on lockboxes, not after this (and the fact that they keep coming in and deleting perfectly reasonable posts that aren't violating ANY rules at all).

ncallstar88

It’s nice being a trader and not worrying about meta gear or mythics

But still needing twenty+ to kill me in chronological with 2014 gear

Lord_Nikon

Durham wrote: »

Next mythic will be 1 button mythic. Just run 1 button! Why not same concept? Why ruin or mess with the dynamic play of bar swap that make use of 12 abilities. Oakensoul is effective at bringing down combat to level a that makes combat boring. 1 bar pvp corrosive setup can be more effective then an any 2 bar corrosive setup. This ring does not need major heroism, or major force. It could still be used by people struggling with bar swapping. I’m sorry such a bad direction.

Ya!

Isn’t it great that you don’t have to use it?

Rowjoh

Any milage in thinking that along with the lag, de-sync issues and god-mode builds already rife in PVP that Oakensoul makes it even harder to spot cheating?

We're almost at the stage where there's not much point in cheating anymore and maybe this has been the plan all along...