Please change the safebox lead

BlakMarket

HeavyESO wrote: »

This happened for the kilt, and I didn't see anyone petition to change that drop after they got it. I'm sure when everyone who wants it, gets it, this thread will die like the others

Such a bad take, this mythic is popular with all player demographics. The kilt only appealed to end game pver's tbh.

Also I'd much rather run around and farm nodes, then stand around a box spamming E with 10-20 other people.

drzycki_ESO

I'm not one to complain but trying to get this lead is miserable and zone chat is toxic because people are so frustrated. Make it difficult but at least make it fun. 15 people standing over each box spamming E for hours isn't fun.

Holycannoli

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

How about not trying to do everything in the first 24 hours, wait a few days

You mean wait a few months.

This will be changed. They will add the lead to other sources. That's my prediction.

This is giving me serious classic Everquest camping flashbacks, where you'd have to spend hours or days at a single spot waiting for a single spawn that might drop what you want, and meanwhile others are there itching to get their turn...it was an experience I do not want again in a MMORPG but here we are.

It's gonna be nerfed anyway.

Redguards_Revenge

Rowjoh wrote: »

a [snip] card game and now this Murkmire fiasco?

There's a brand new area to explore and someone thought it would be a good idea to funnel everyone into Murkmire for days on end and bore them to death.

Gaming at its worst.

Calm down. Take a breather. Make sure you check your email for bethesda forum comments. [snip]

[edited for discussion of disciplinary actions & to remove quote]

spartaxoxo

HeavyESO wrote: »

This happened for the kilt, and I didn't see anyone petition to change that drop after they got it. I'm sure when everyone who wants it, gets it, this thread will die like the others

That did in fact happen, and it worked and the sources for the lead were increased.

The_Lex

OnnuK wrote: »

The worst part is people are yelling each other as Idiot, etc... Most people do not know what is going on and loot it. This lead mechanic must change, not good for community.

People were calling each other far, far worse last night.

Rowjoh

@Redguards_Revenge

seriously? lol

Tommy_The_Gun

I was trying to think of any reason why it is designed the way it is. I doubt it was done randomly. I also doubt it was the "last minute change" ("Oh, no we forgot to code the lead to drop, so put it... anywhere").

I think that maybe, ZOS has some internal data on, let's just say "popularity" of every zone. Both Shadowfen & Murkmire are not very popular and for the most part kinda empty. So maybe, just maybe they gave some dev a task to: "Make it so that the zone will attract more players, so it would be visible in our statistics data."... and so the poor dev did what he/she was asked to do... In a very twisted & soulless way, but goal was achieved. Murkmire will be flooded with players for at least 6 months...

At least this is the only explanation I can think of...

ZOS_Lunar

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

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jcasini222ub17_ESO

Tone deaf. The community is telling you what isn’t constructive directly. Address it.

K9002

Was the design behind leads in very limited safeboxes in the spirit of the game and community?

Lord_Nikon

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

If there may be any questions in regards to rules, please feel free to review them here: Community Rules

Ummm How about you help the players out and bring our concerns to the proper people...

THIS LEAD NEEDS TO BE PUT IN OTHER LOCATIONS!

Let every box in the zone drop it... Treasure boxes, thief boxes, lockboxes... everything. At least that way it will increase the chances somewhat.

duagloth

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

If there may be any questions in regards to rules, please feel free to review them here: Community Rules

Typical. @ZOS_Kevin this issue needs attention, your response on the matter is crucial.

JonnAndCo

I personally find this fiasco a significant drain on my desire to play the game. I don't believe they made a mistake, since they had to realize this would be a huge bottle neck and it would negatively effect the community. Things have not improved after a day, and I don't expect it to any time soon unfortunately.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

There is a certain irony that an object intended to help those of us with declining dexterity requires high end playing skills to obtain. It just confirms my decision to not buy the chapter.

iaminc

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

It just confirms my decision to not buy the chapter.

Same. I deliberately waited to see what the BS method for obtaining the lead would be after the kilt situation as I sadly expected this kind of [snip] from ZoS.

[edited for profanity bypass]

xgoku1

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin Some form of response here would be nice.

Holycannoli

Was excited to see an official reply in this thread.

Not at all surprised it's a canned response reminding people not to bash the devs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

If there may be any questions in regards to rules, please feel free to review them here: Community Rules

I was excited to see an official reply, then I realize it is simply there to remove any criticism of ZOS for what only amounts to a bad decision.

Serious question. Can we not criticize ZOS any longer? I have never once in my 1 billion comments on these forums called out a specific dev by name. I have praised a few over the years, but I would never personally attack one of them.

We went through this in shadowfen. It was so clearly a bad decision then, and it was doubled down on with this new lead. Are we just supposed to rejoice that card game and camping safe boxes with 30 other players is the sum result of the new chapter?

kringled_1

To be fair, there have been at least two previous mythic leads in lockboxes that did not get this kind of controversy.
The main difference is that both (spaulder of ruin and pearls) are 100% support sets for organized groups. Like the kilt, this is a dps set that's usable in less organized situations, and there's definitely a lot more water and plant nodes in shadowfen, with faster respawn, than lockboxes in murkmire.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

kringled_1 wrote: »

To be fair, there have been at least two previous mythic leads in lockboxes that did not get this kind of controversy.
The main difference is that both (spaulder of ruin and pearls) are 100% support sets for organized groups. Like the kilt, this is a dps set that's usable in less organized situations, and there's definitely a lot more water and plant nodes in shadowfen, with faster respawn, than lockboxes in murkmire.

Any type of PVE DPS mythic is going to be aggressively farmed during patch day, throw in PVP functionality like this has and its just gas on the fire, throw in an object that specifically caters to the masses by simplifying combat, and it might as well be napalm. Nothing is the least bit surprising about what is happening.

I am just glad I already voted with my wallet by not pre-ordering.

The_Lex

@ZOS_Kevin Please save the day! You are the hero we need!

Massive_Stain

This lead location is [snip] garbage. Change it. You all knew exactly what you where doing and this is [snip]. You all screwed it up with shadowfen and now you have screwed every player over with non-instanced lead locations. Change it.

[edited for profanity bypass]

furiouslog

HeavyESO wrote: »

This happened for the kilt, and I didn't see anyone petition to change that drop after they got it. I'm sure when everyone who wants it, gets it, this thread will die like the others

This could not be further from the truth. Yes, threads will die out because people stop talking about the subject eventually, but calls for changes persisted and only ceased when changes to the drop were made. Feel free to do some searching and look - it's what happened.

I don't get why ZOS did this to us again. It places a significant burden on dedicated players and fosters toxicity, when socialization and collaboration should be the goal.

I'm not even going to bother with it until everything has settled down. It really burns me out. I'll just limp on with whatever sets I have now, I guess.

dredgemundo

I never post anything in the forums. I'll open an exception this time to offer this feedback. I usually play after my baby is sleeping, in order to relax. Well, I haven't been relaxed ever since this lead came up. Honestly, a new expansion was supposed to hype and motivate us, not make us feel foolish for playing the game.

I sincirely hope you'll reconsider this. It's truly disappointing.

chrisub17_ESO104

Ya just adding my voice here also, this is the least enjoyable thing in the game I have experienced to date.

IMO players competing for limited resources is poor design. When it involves mechanics like spamming the same chest for hours, that's truly horrible design.

Contrast with say simply a very low drop rate on an activity that is at least semi enjoyable, and might at the same time have some other minor rewards along the way.

I do think the designers have a sick sense of humor, because the above is just not that difficult of a concept, they know exactly what they are creating here.

fred4

Lord_Nikon wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

If there may be any questions in regards to rules, please feel free to review them here: Community Rules

Ummm How about you help the players out and bring our concerns to the proper people...

THIS LEAD NEEDS TO BE PUT IN OTHER LOCATIONS!

Let every box in the zone drop it... Treasure boxes, thief boxes, lockboxes... everything. At least that way it will increase the chances somewhat.

Are there treasure boxes in Murkmire? I couldn't find any. Map pins doesn't have any.

KlauthWarthog

The complete radio silence from the community managers on this matter is the least surprising part of this fiasco.

Arato

xgoku1 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin Some form of response here would be nice.

That's just funny.
Their usual response is to ignore critical feedback and just tell people to stop complaining because it hurts their feelings.

They never think "okay we did a thing last year, it made a lot of people upset and made the community angry with each other, and at us, maybe we should do things differently in the future"

Holycannoli

Lord_Nikon wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Greetings all,

After some review, we would like to remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the community rules we have in place. Specifically we would like to call out our rules on bashing. We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.

If there may be any questions in regards to rules, please feel free to review them here: Community Rules

Ummm How about you help the players out and bring our concerns to the proper people...

THIS LEAD NEEDS TO BE PUT IN OTHER LOCATIONS!

Let every box in the zone drop it... Treasure boxes, thief boxes, lockboxes... everything. At least that way it will increase the chances somewhat.

Or if it's tied to lockpicking and thus legerdemain, pickpocketing also.

At the very least.