Arctic Blast is Bad. Real Bad.

SEINTDARKNES

TheHeroCat wrote: »

I think it would be cool if atleast polar wind scaled more!

Yeah me too when i tank with my warden i have to spam 2-3 times to heal to full xD

Mr_Stach

I definitely think the scaling could be more aggressive, it definitely scales off max health...... but barely. Reminds me of old Green Dragonblood.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I definitely think the scaling could be more aggressive, it definitely scales off max health...... but barely. Reminds me of old Green Dragonblood.

Provided that the healing is removed from the blast morph and/or it's turned into a proper offensive stun, that's probably a fair buff.

ESO_Nightingale

JanTanhide wrote: »

It gets worse and worse as ZOS keeps messing with skills.

it'd be nice if when they followed through, they had some understanding of the impact that the change would have instead of changing it and forgetting it.

Nser

A summary of changes I believe could make warden actually competative again. (pvp)

Full circle giving the stun back to shalks, base skill if needed.
Take away the 3 tick stun mechanic from Arctic Blast and give it back to permafrost and northenstorm, base ulti.
Arctic Blast heals based on spell/wpn dmg, max mag/stam, no longer stuns
Polar wind heals based on max health
both morphs still have the aoe pulsing dot attached for the icy theme, and the small hot
Could maybe scale better

This way you have ranged stun options in crystal slab (at random tho), melee with scorch, and aoe within your ultimate while giving all build types acces to an iconic skill.

Falcons swiftness and morphs needs snare removal/immunity to compete with Race against time
Dive and morphs need the 7 meter min requirement for off balance removed.

Mr_Stach

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

Agreed. However the power of Cutting Dive's bleed does need a significant reduction anyway. It's super broken on top of having an utterly bizarre and wonky proc condition.

SEINTDARKNES

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

Agreed. However the power of Cutting Dive's bleed does need a significant reduction anyway. It's super broken on top of having an utterly bizarre and wonky prpc condition.

Well i can speak from console perspective and using birds for the bleed portion it is really bad, we don have addons so it's hard to make a full rotation without missing some birds, i think it will be better if they make the damage bleed and make some changes to make it not that strong and yeah the bird speed it's sloooow.

ESO_Nightingale

SEINTDARKNES wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

Agreed. However the power of Cutting Dive's bleed does need a significant reduction anyway. It's super broken on top of having an utterly bizarre and wonky prpc condition.

Well i can speak from console perspective and using birds for the bleed portion it is really bad, we don have addons so it's hard to make a full rotation without missing some birds, i think it will be better if they make the damage bleed and make some changes to make it not that strong and yeah the bird speed it's sloooow.

the only thing it has going for it is disgusting damage. it feels awful to use and it's so slow.

Mr_Stach

If they reduced the damage of the bleed then scaled it up based on Enemy Health for an Execute or have it do a stacking bleed (Similar to Carve) that would be interesting.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

If they reduced the damage of the bleed then scaled it up based on Enemy Health for an Execute or have it do a stacking bleed (Similar to Carve) that would be interesting.

I don't think stamden needs any more execute potential. Definitely not like magden does.

Mr_Stach

That's true, especially since DW & 2H have such good Executes

SEINTDARKNES

We will see if the change something this week!

GetAgrippa

SEINTDARKNES wrote: »

We will see if the change something this week!

Aaaaaaaand.... NOPE

Mr_Stach

Honestly, I didn't know what I expected, I would at least respond to some feedback, even a tone deaf "We Hear You" would be better than silence

MashmalloMan

Mind blowing because they touched other major concerns with Sorc, Plar, Necro and even Oakensoul..

I'm willing to bet they just said.. damn, we need way more time to fix the mess that is Warden.

What other logical reason could there be.

SEINTDARKNES

GetAgrippa wrote: »

SEINTDARKNES wrote: »

We will see if the change something this week!

Aaaaaaaand.... NOPE

Really don't surprise me anymore ;/

Mr_Stach

Once it goes live they'll be like..... Huh why did Arctic Blast just stop getting used?

GetAgrippa

It's such a shame. My magden was my first 5 star pvp toon. Now he sits collecting dust while the nerfs keep on coming. Meanwhile my DK has fossilize, talons, leap and basically unlimited sustain and healing. Gg Zos

Peacatcher

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Mind blowing because they touched other major concerns with Sorc, Plar, Necro and even Oakensoul..

I'm willing to bet they just said.. damn, we need way more time to fix the mess that is Warden.

What other logical reason could there be.

I'd guess if it was just a case of adjusting some tooltips / durations / values it could be changed between a couple of patch iterations. As is the case with the other class and set adjustments mentioned.

But if they're looking to change what the skill actually does I assume it'll need new animations and rewriting the functions in the code which probably take a bit longer. So maybe there's still time before the patch goes live. Just a guess though, I'm useless with tech.

Or maybe they're still just digesting the ongoing feedback, seeing what new ideas come up and deciding what to do with it. Especially with the dust having settled a bit after the emotional / reflex reactions in week 1.

Mr_Stach

I really do hope they are planning some changes for next week, but I think the biggest thing is not even addressing it, even just, "We've received feedback on the State of Warden and are working on solutions that aren't ready to be shown yet". But nope, just avoid everything till there's something to report.

GetAgrippa

Peacatcher wrote: »

Or maybe they're still just digesting the ongoing feedback, seeing what new ideas come up and deciding what to do with it. Especially with the dust having settled a bit after the emotional / reflex reactions in week 1.

The optimism in this statement is lovely! I'll be so sad to see that optimism crushed when Arctic goes live in its current state. I honestly can't remember the last time a major change happened after week 3 of PTS. I'll be willing to bet this change goes live, the devs will say something like "we hear you and we'll be keeping an eye on Arctic Blast and adjust in the future" and then nothing happens for the next 3 years. I mean, after all, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT STALKING BLASTBONES BUFF.

Mr_Stach

I've wanted Warden changes pretty much since Warden Launched, I know I shouldn't have expected up much, but it still hurts to just see nothing at all. No mention, Arctic Blast will probably go live.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I've wanted Warden changes pretty much since Warden Launched, I know I shouldn't have expected up much, but it still hurts to just see nothing at all. No mention, Arctic Blast will probably go live.

All i need is a comment from zos that we aren't going to be ignored.

ESO_Nightingale

GetAgrippa wrote: »

Peacatcher wrote: »

Or maybe they're still just digesting the ongoing feedback, seeing what new ideas come up and deciding what to do with it. Especially with the dust having settled a bit after the emotional / reflex reactions in week 1.

The optimism in this statement is lovely! I'll be so sad to see that optimism crushed when Arctic goes live in its current state. I honestly can't remember the last time a major change happened after week 3 of PTS. I'll be willing to bet this change goes live, the devs will say something like "we hear you and we'll be keeping an eye on Arctic Blast and adjust in the future" and then nothing happens for the next 3 years. I mean, after all, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT STALKING BLASTBONES BUFF.

yep, i hope that they just suspiciously didn't do any warden changes because they've got a lot of changes happening next week, but without a comment i shouldn't expect anything other than this garbage to go live.

Mr_Stach

Holding out hope, today was a big hit to morale, but I still think we've given a lot of great feedback for Warden, hopefully Zos is paying attention

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Holding out hope, today was a big hit to morale, but I still think we've given a lot of great feedback for Warden, hopefully Zos is paying attention

all i can say is that i'm holding onto the frankly unfound hope that they're just saving all of the warden changes for next week, but at the same time, i know that i'm just being naive. this crap stun situation is going live as is.

Whiskey_JG

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Once it goes live they'll be like..... Huh why did Arctic Blast just stop getting used?

Literally my thoughts exactly. I mean you have to give them some slack that it is very hard to fix something without ruining another. But this has missed the mark

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

I was never a fan of off-balance. Theres so many mechanics going in in trials that noone paya attention to off balance. I would remove it altogether

ESO_Nightingale

Whiskey_JG wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Once it goes live they'll be like..... Huh why did Arctic Blast just stop getting used?

Literally my thoughts exactly. I mean you have to give them some slack that it is very hard to fix something without ruining another. But this has missed the mark

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Also there's the general speed of Dive. It's painfully slow. For comparison, here's Hidden blade vs cutting dive:




Personally I would remove the Off Balance bit. Make Cutting Dive just do the Bleed. Make the Mag Morph do Frost Damage in an AoE.

I was never a fan of off-balance. Theres so many mechanics going in in trials that noone paya attention to off balance. I would remove it altogether

Racer really needs to be entirely overhauled at this point. Would be neat if it was a cool melee spammable in melee range that had a seperate function that converted it into a ranged spammable when targeting an enemy when not in melee range. Something like that would be very unique.

Nser

at this point a simple reverse of the arctic change and call it a day is about the best we can hope for