PTS Update 33 - Feedback Thread for Account Wide Achievements

DerpyBossGamer

I think there are some titles that have a right to be account wide: things like titles you get from events that you shouldn’t need to grind on every character.

However, in my opinion, it doesn’t make sense for certain achievements to be available on every character. Things like master angler and grand master craft are massive flexes that require a lot of dedication, and while getting it on one character is impressive, there are people (not me, I’m not crazy enough) who have devoted probably thousands of hours to getting these on all of their characters. Taking away from their achievement by allowing anyone to have a title on all of their characters is a little unfortunate.

Additionally, titles from dungeon and trial trifectas should be character wide, sort of to show that you understand the content on that character but also for similar reasons as above. There are people in one of my guilds that have gotten Unchained 16 times, and this takes away from their achievements tremendously.

Finally, I think story and rp achievements don’t make sense to have on every character. Why would my newly created character be able to put on something like “Savior of Morrowind”?

Deter1UK

silvereyes wrote: »

I was able to find my crafting motifs easily. I like having them tracked in the lore books section in a single long list. That's a nice change from needing to ping pong between different DLC achievement groups to find the motifs I'm looking for.

But... it was always like this... at least ever since I started working towards Maser Crafter 3 years ago..

Don't want to pour cold water on your excitement - sorry.

Bonstrigmo

You need to have two tabs for the achievements. One for account-wide and another that is character-specific. Keep how the account-wide achievements work and keep it so the achievement shows the first toon to complete said achievement based on date and a completely different tab that shows all the achievements but is based on the current character progression. I like how the current achievements work based on each character too. Gives a sense of accomplishment having the achievement unlock for that character.

I logged into all my toons and each toon has a different achievement score. You think with account-wide achievements they would all have the same score.

Edit: I see that some crafting achievements are still character base so the score should be different.

valkyrie93

If PVP rank is not included in this, it should have been in the list of exclusions.

For a second I thought I would have a Grand Overlord account, but apparently not. PVP ranks are also achievements so should have been included imo.

ArchangelIsraphel

After reviewing this new feature on the test server, all I can say is that is implementation is as poor and as heavy handed as I feared it would be.

All story progression achievements are shown as already having been earned by my main when I mouse over them- virtually deleting the dates of progression for all other characters that did that content.

My necromancer, who did Elsweyr first, has basically had his achievements deleted by my main nightblades progress, even though my nightblade never touched Elsweyr until more than a year later.

I no longer have any record of which character did what when, no individual character identity when it comes to story progression and completion in the achievement journal, no more sentimental dates when I went on characters to specifically get an achievement on a special day. All of it is gone.

Additionally, the replayability of certain achievements like fishing achievements and other such things on separate characters has been wiped from existence, removing replayability and a form of gameplay from the game itself. I enjoyed the repetition of achievements as a form of character development outside of main story quests, a way to simply have fun on them, and that's gone now. Heck, I cant even independently record the dates of when my other characters complete story achievements now because as far as the game is concerned, my main has done it all.

It would have been nice if story and zone exploration achievements had at least been left independent to the characters, but they didn't even give us that. I used to really like the way we could independently track the progress of each character and look back fondly on when we had done something on an independent character, and that's all gone now.

It would have been so much better if an "account wide" tab had been implemented, while preserving independent achievements for those that liked them. I don't understand why, after 8 years, they would choose to rip content out of the game that many people enjoyed for the sake of an account wide feature that destroys a form of game play many people loved.

Please rethink this. Rework it so that it works for both parties. You could add an "opt out" feature, while still allowing people to gain the new rewards on characters that have completed the achievements independently. I don't want to take this feature away from those that love it- but I also want the game play I was fond of back.

LtSnowballin

Raevenglass wrote: »

I'd like to add my voice to making this optional.

Or if not, be a bit more mindful as to what titles should be shared. Do I want to do all the holiday events on every one of my characters for the titles? No. I would love that to be account-wide.

But should my character have Savior of X - if they haven't been to X or completed any of those quests? That doesn't make sense to me.

If Character X gained Emperor in Cyrodill, should all their characters have that title? That doesn't make sense. My healer cleared vet Sunspire so my new tank should have that title too?

I'm not seeing where the benefit is in having account-wide achievements for most things, especially for those of us who like the questing and adventuring on different characters. I also like clearing end-game content on different characters and want the option of earning those titles for each character given how different game play is for each.

Could someone explain where the benefit is?

People aren't forced to do content (Especially HARD content) again to get a title for a toon they want it on. Especially for cases like my own, where I had to do my 3 GS's ALL on Magcro because no group would let me do any other role. Same goes for dungeon trifecta titles or anything else of the sort. There's ALOT of benefits for people, just need to look past yourself. ->

Which again, the opt-in option would be GREAT for some people that do want to do that, more power to you. Have it so the people who don't want to farm everything out on multiple characters aren't forced to in order to get a title they want for that toon, or etc.. It also allows them to add in the new collectibles, furnishings, etc... For completing and farming trifecta or just in general hard content which will bring back the "Replayability" or "Incentive" people are trying to argue with. And if someone doesn't want to be opted in then more power to them and allow them to refarm everything out for themselves.

Naftal

Make achievements show which characters have done it and when please.

Deter1UK

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Can you please allow us to opt out of this? Or give us the ability to track individualized character progressions through a different achievement window/toggle?

T

I agree, this makes sense and satisfies parties both for and against this change.

LtSnowballin

Deter1UK wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Can you please allow us to opt out of this? Or give us the ability to track individualized character progressions through a different achievement window/toggle?

T

I agree, this makes sense and satisfies parties both for and against this change.

I agree aswell, an opt in would be AMAZING

LtSnowballin

Naftal wrote: »

Make achievements show which characters have done it and when please.

This as well, add an "opt in" option, but also keep achievements trackable for EACH character to know who has done what, and when they did it.

TelvanniWizard

Wolfkeks wrote: »

While I love getting account wide achievements I'm seeing lots of peeps who are unhappy about it.

Would it be possible to make a tab for character and one tab for account achievements so peeps can track which character did a certain achievement? Or make a note on that achievement if it was done on that char or on the account?

Otherwise I like this change!

That would defeat the purpose of account-wide achievements imo. You´d still have to stick to your main so it has all the achievements.

silvereyes

I would also like to note that achievements now have an "earned by" note in their tooltips, but it seems to completely depend on the first character that you choose to load that has the achievement.


I definitely do NOT like this. The order that one loads characters in should NOT make irreversible, account-wide choices on the player's behalf.

Edit: Some achievements do appear to use the character that earned the achievement first, by date, but others seem not to. Please see my follow-up reply: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7509168/#Comment_7509168
As well as a related one by @ArchangelIsraphel: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7509157/#Comment_7509157

Edit 2: I just realized that I don't even have the achievement shown above on Live, even on my oldest, main character, although it is close. PTS seems to be adding kill counts together for achievements during the merge process. That seems wrong, but in a different way.

wolfie1.0.

LtSnowballin wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

They already have all of those collectibles, skins, etc in the current system on live. The only thing you don't have are the titles and the ability to purchase furnishings. What can they add with this new system that they havn't?

I also feel that your discounting how much attachment players have for their characters and their progression. I use achievements for that. I consider those achievements as part of their soul their being. I do things differently on each one. Basically I need a way to track individual development. Even if it's a separate menu. It's how I track where I am at in everything.

Don't get me wrong acount wide achievements have their appeal. One of which is that I can delete an achievement character (never) and still walk around with the title...

If I can't opt out or prevent this from happening then I would at least like a per character achievement progression tracking option.

I'm not discounting anyone here, which is why I included the "Opt in" option for people, so if they REALLY wanted to keep it they could even if I was a little blunt. I also said EXACTLY what they could add lmao. More Polymorphs, furnishings, etc.. That have a like 20% chance or whatever they choose for completing a "trifecta" run which is where most of the issues are coming from. People really are not choosing to look at this in any positive way.

That's because I don't feel positive about this change. I could probably fool myself into thinking that way but my therapist disagrees with that.

The most positive thing I can do is voice my concerns and hope that ZOS listens and gives me a reasonable alternative that I can be positive or neutral about.

insignismemoria

Bug found:

The multi-tiered "Black Market Mogul" achievement, which unlocks Contraband Purple, stops short at the 100k checkpoint of Illicit Entrepreneur and does not show any unlocks possible for this achievement.

Contraband Purple shows up at outfit stations, clicking 'view achievement' brings up Illicit Entrepreneur, and there is no possibility to progress to the 1M fenced gold achievement.

silvereyes

Deter1UK wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

I was able to find my crafting motifs easily. I like having them tracked in the lore books section in a single long list. That's a nice change from needing to ping pong between different DLC achievement groups to find the motifs I'm looking for.

But... it was always like this... at least ever since I started working towards Maser Crafter 3 years ago..

Don't want to pour cold water on your excitement - sorry.

Heh, well I'll be darned, lol. I guess it's been a very long time since I was chasing motifs.

Thanks for the correction.

PeacefulAnarchy

silvereyes wrote: »

I would also like to note that achievements now have an "earned by" note in their tooltips, but it seems to completely depend on the first character that you choose to load that has the achievement.


I definitely do NOT like this. The order that one loads characters in should NOT make irreversible, account-wide choices on the player's behalf.

Thanks for posting this, I was trying to figure out if that was the case. They really should be able to check on first load "is the date on this character before the already noted one? if yes, replace, if not keep."

wolfie1.0.

silvereyes wrote: »

I would also like to note that achievements now have an "earned by" note in their tooltips, but it seems to completely depend on the first character that you choose to load that has the achievement.


I definitely do NOT like this. The order that one loads characters in should NOT make irreversible, account-wide choices on the player's behalf.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can this ben changed to list All of the characters that have done this? And dates? Also shouldn't this divert to the earliest achievement date?

I am seriously getting anxiety over loading my characters in the wrong order...

Mephit

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

After reviewing this new feature on the test server, all I can say is that is implementation is as poor and as heavy handed as I feared it would be.

All story progression achievements are shown as already having been earned by my main when I mouse over them- virtually deleting the dates of progression for all other characters that did that content.

My necromancer, who did Elsweyr first, has basically had his achievements deleted by my main nightblades progress, even though my nightblade never touched Elsweyr until more than a year later.

I no longer have any record of which character did what when, no individual character identity when it comes to story progression and completion in the achievement journal, no more sentimental dates when I went on characters to specifically get an achievement on a special day. All of it is gone.

Additionally, the replayability of certain achievements like fishing achievements and other such things on separate characters has been wiped from existence, removing replayability and a form of gameplay from the game itself. I enjoyed the repetition of achievements as a form of character development outside of main story quests, a way to simply have fun on them, and that's gone now. Heck, I cant even independently record the dates of when my other characters complete story achievements now because as far as the game is concerned, my main has done it all.

It would have been nice if story and zone exploration achievements had at least been left independent to the characters, but they didn't even give us that. I used to really like the way we could independently track the progress of each character and look back fondly on when we had done something on an independent character, and that's all gone now.

It would have been so much better if an "account wide" tab had been implemented, while preserving independent achievements for those that liked them. I don't understand why, after 8 years, they would choose to rip content out of the game that many people enjoyed for the sake of an account wide feature that destroys a form of game play many people loved.

Please rethink this. Rework it so that it works for both parties. You could add an "opt out" feature, while still allowing people to gain the new rewards on characters that have completed the achievements independently. I don't want to take this feature away from those that love it- but I also want the game play I was fond of back.

Oh man. I am too scared to even try the PTS. If this goes live I'll be out... here since Beta... building all those toons and for this nonsense. What's the point when they just come in and trash all the progress you have made? Sad day.

silvereyes

valkyrie93 wrote: »

If PVP rank is not included in this, it should have been in the list of exclusions.

For a second I thought I would have a Grand Overlord account, but apparently not. PVP ranks are also achievements so should have been included imo.

PVP rank is different from the achievements you get by attaining that rank. For example, one of my characters has a rank of Tyro, but still has the Alliance War Legionary and Alliance War Veteran achievements.

The PVP achievements were not excluded. They are now account-wide, along with the titles they granted.

valkyrie93

silvereyes wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

If PVP rank is not included in this, it should have been in the list of exclusions.

For a second I thought I would have a Grand Overlord account, but apparently not. PVP ranks are also achievements so should have been included imo.

PVP rank is different from the achievements you get by attaining that rank. For example, one of my characters has a rank of Tyro, but still has the Alliance War Legionary and Alliance War Veteran achievements.

Can your Tyro character wear the Legionary title?
If so, that means my rank 12 can wear the Grand Overlord title, just not have the 5 stars lmao..... bit pointless if you ask me

Make PvP rank account wide too

PeacefulAnarchy

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Can your Tyro character wear the Legionary title?
If so, that means my rank 12 can wear the Grand Overlord title, just not have the 5 stars lmao..... bit pointless if you ask me

Yes. Everyone can wear the highest title you've earned, but they all have individual actual ranks

silvereyes

valkyrie93 wrote: »

silvereyes wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

If PVP rank is not included in this, it should have been in the list of exclusions.

For a second I thought I would have a Grand Overlord account, but apparently not. PVP ranks are also achievements so should have been included imo.

PVP rank is different from the achievements you get by attaining that rank. For example, one of my characters has a rank of Tyro, but still has the Alliance War Legionary and Alliance War Veteran achievements.

Can your Tyro character wear the Legionary title?
If so, that means my rank 12 can wear the Grand Overlord title, just not have the 5 stars lmao..... bit pointless if you ask me

Make PvP rank account wide too

Yes, she can, and your Grand Overlord title can go on a brand new baby PVP character.

Tandor

DerpyBossGamer wrote: »

I think there are some titles that have a right to be account wide: things like titles you get from events that you shouldn’t need to grind on every character.

What do you see as the point of having the same events repeated each year, if it isn't to enable you to run those events with different characters?

PeacefulAnarchy

Tandor wrote: »

DerpyBossGamer wrote: »

I think there are some titles that have a right to be account wide: things like titles you get from events that you shouldn’t need to grind on every character.

What do you see as the point of having the same events repeated each year, if it isn't to enable you to run those events with different characters?

So new players can do them too, or so you can get the part you didn't get before.

Yuualun

I really would prefere to have two views "Account wide" and "This Character" you can toggle between.

I think it is really sad to lose the complete history of what my characters(!) achieved over the years. While of course I want as many achivements as possible, there where certain ones I did not want to have on certain chars. For example the mass murderer on my very lawful Knight.

I noticed that the Character that registered the Achievement is added to the Tooltip of the Achievement but only this one Character. Let's say I had the Master angler on 3 Chars, all this history would be lost.
If at least all characters that have it would be added there...

Another thing that makes me really sad:
If you got the achivement you will never see it pop up again.
I played the whole basgame, many dlcs and have a lot of vet dungeon achivemens.
If I made a new Character (and I love to play twinks) this character will probably see not a single Achivement in their whole life.

For me this takes away a lot of replay-ability and simply fun. it is fun to get this random speedrun in a dungeon with a Twink or a Slauterfish Achievent with a Char you have for many Years.
At one point I will have everythin "I can achieve", the stickerbook is full, all lore books are found and then there is nothing more left to do.

Please overthink this solution. I don't think having account wide Achievements is a bad idea in general and I see why people want it (I would certainly have some use for it as well) but erasing many years of Character history be merging it irrevertible together is the wrong way.

And if another solution is not possible, please at least give us the option to opt out.

ArchangelIsraphel

Tandor wrote: »

DerpyBossGamer wrote: »

I think there are some titles that have a right to be account wide: things like titles you get from events that you shouldn’t need to grind on every character.

What do you see as the point of having the same events repeated each year, if it isn't to enable you to run those events with different characters?

I used to really enjoy getting these achievements again each year for new characters during the holiday events. It was a celebratory act for me- another year passed in ESO. I'm sad that I wont be able to do that if this change goes live because my main has completed them all. Additionally, I'm sad that I'll loose the dates these achievements were earned on alternate characters because it will all be wiped by my mains progress.

PeacefulAnarchy

silvereyes wrote: »

I definitely do NOT like this. The order that one loads characters in should NOT make irreversible, account-wide choices on the player's behalf.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Can this ben changed to list All of the characters that have done this? And dates? Also shouldn't this divert to the earliest achievement date?

I am seriously getting anxiety over loading my characters in the wrong order...

Wait, this doesn't seem to be the case. I just checked and it did replace a date with an earlier date and character. Multiple times as I loaded a character that did it earlier. I checked Disrobed Discipline.

silvereyes

I just tested bringing a brand new character into my decorated house, and she got no popup notifications for any decorator achievements.

So it seems that if anyone enjoys getting notifications when your character earns an achievement that your other characters have already earned, you will no longer be able to do so.

skayl

Did you notice any achievements were missed or didn’t get captured the way you expected?
I did not notice any achievements that were missing or that failed to be captured. Generally, everything was very smooth. I logged in on 5 characters who each had some unique achievements and they populated correctly.

Did you find your current Motif and Enchantment knowledge?
The link to the lore book section to see which motifs a character had personally earned worked smoothly! The only hiccup I caught was that there was no link to navigate over when hovering on the “Soul Shriven Style Master” achievement. I will be able to use this system perfectly well when looking to see which style pages a character needs still. Being able to see my partially completed style achievements on my non-crafting characters will also be a MIRACLE! I can just check “Celestial Style Master” on an alt and say “oh, can I have the bows? my crafter is missing them.” When I went to a style that my main was only missing 3 pages from and learned them all on an ALT (who didn’t know any of the pages), the style master achievement popped, which I thought was weird. I really think that for the achievement to pop it should be required that ONE character knows ALL the pages, not that one character knows 11 pages and a different one knows 3.
For enchanting Achievements, I think that the implementation was a little bit confusing. Characters that did not have rune knowledge have the small blue head next to the achievement, but hovering over the blue head does not provide any information to contextualize it. I wasn’t totally sure what it meant, and having achievements that ARE shared, like “Master Mundane Rune Harvester,” in the same category as ones that AREN’T, like “Aspect,” only makes this more difficult to understand.

Did you still have all your previously earned titles?
I was able to access all of my titles with ease, even on characters that had not earned them. My test case for this was the “Tamriel Hero '' title, which I only had on one of my characters prior to this PTS cycle. Others were able to use it just fine!

Is it clear which achievements are still character-centered?
Though the blue text and head clearly differentiate these achievements, the fact some are grouped in the same subsections (see my feedback on enchanting above) is confusing. I'm just not sure that without some text on hover, an ordinary plaer would understand they're character based.

Do you have any other general feedback?
I think that the “This Character Unlocked X Additional Achievements on Your Account” popup that appeared after logging on with a new character was very helpful and made me feel excited for account wide achievements. I hope that it goes live! For me the greatest disappointment was that only the FIRST character to earn an achievement shows up when you hover over the achievement. I wish that you instead saw “Completed by: Character A, Character B.” I will be sad to lose that knowledge. But overall, the feature is well implemented and I’d like to give my thanks to the team for bringing account wide achievements to us. I’m looking forward to seeing them go live in update 33!

Jayne_Doe

While I understand the concept of account-wide achievements to see what you've done AS A WHOLE in ESO, there are advantages to still being able to track individual achievements on a character.

Wanting account-wide achievements simply so you don't have to do them again on a new character doesn't make sense, since you have already earned those achievements. You don't HAVE to earn them on a new character, so account-wide only really is necessary to get a snapshot of everything you have done, regardless of character.

For many solo questers, it's important and part of our gameplay experience and enjoyment to earn these achievements on new characters. I do NOT want to have the Summerset Champion title available to a character who has not, in fact, saved Summerset. It's also a way of keeping track of what I have done with a particular character. It helps me see where they are in terms of their alliance storyline, for example.

And, it seems odd to me that enchanting knowledge is being retained, but what about alchemy or other crafting knowledge? Motif knowledge will still be individually tracked, but not trait research? Perhaps I missed this in the patch notes, but the questions posed in this thread seem to indicate that only motif and rune knowledge are individually retained, as far as crafting goes.

Please make this optional. I do not want to lose the achievement progress on my characters. Seeing an overall account snapshot is welcome, but removing individual character achievements removes a lot of what brings many solo players to this game.

And as for the claims that no one disliked this idea and everyone loved it when announced, clearly did not read any of the forum threads about this.

This is a devastating change for me, and I'll likely not log into any character other than my main until it's made optional. I feel that strongly about my individual characters and the individual progress they've made.