PTS Update 33 - Feedback Thread for Account Wide Achievements

Danikat

Has ZOS ever backed down on a change once it gets onto the PTS? I know they sometimes tweak the numbers on balance changes or fix some of the bugs which are identified, but I can't remember them ever putting a system onto the PTS and then not including it in the live update, no matter what players thought of it.

ajkb78

Having now tested this, it isn't quite as game breaking as I feared. My chief concern was that I don't want my heroic characters to have achievements relating to crime (DB, TG ones etc.) The way it has been implemented, it shows which character earned the achievement. That's fine by me, it's more of an account wide log and I can treat it as such.

However, it is problematic for me that if you meet the requirements of an achievement on multiple characters, the "Earned by" entry in the achievements log does not show all characters who have earned the achievement, only the first one. It would be brilliant if you could fix this so that all characters who have earned an achievement are listed there, so I can carry on tracking achievements that individual toons have completed.

On the positive side, I love the way partial achievement progress adds up between characters: if I kill 2 zombies on one character and switch to another, there they are counting towards the undead slayer achievement. This will make stuff like trophy hunter achievements much less annoying.

Mephit

ajkb78 wrote: »

Having now tested this, it isn't quite as game breaking as I feared. My chief concern was that I don't want my heroic characters to have achievements relating to crime (DB, TG ones etc.) The way it has been implemented, it shows which character earned the achievement. That's fine by me, it's more of an account wide log and I can treat it as such.

However, it is problematic for me that if you meet the requirements of an achievement on multiple characters, the "Earned by" entry in the achievements log does not show all characters who have earned the achievement, only the first one. It would be brilliant if you could fix this so that all characters who have earned an achievement are listed there, so I can carry on tracking achievements that individual toons have completed.

On the positive side, I love the way partial achievement progress adds up between characters: if I kill 2 zombies on one character and switch to another, there they are counting towards the undead slayer achievement. This will make stuff like trophy hunter achievements much less annoying.

Not everyone has the same view of "annoying" though... and many of us have already done these things on multiple characters.

I think this is the crux of the issue... someone thinks they know what players enjoy and they have simply got this wrong by taking features away rather than adding new ones.

Elsonso

tmbrinks wrote: »

That said, we're very unlikely to see any changes on PTS update 1 on Monday (the 7th), as there are rarely any significant changes in that one. The next Monday (the 14th) is when we will be pinning our hopes on.

Right. Changes made in the "dot one" update (7.3.1) will be stuff they knew about before PTS but did not make the first PTS drop. One week is not much time for them to think about and discuss changes, make the changes, and test the changes.

The "dot two" and later updates will reflect more and more feedback from players and include some of the easier changes. (Edit: besides, anything big for this requires a character copy as the current implementation probably destroys the data when it migrates it)

Nothing sizable will be done during PTS, as there is no time for anything that takes more than a couple weeks to design, implement, and test. This means "remove, try again in a future update" or "push forward + fixes" for this. BOTH of these will be met with outcry, doom and gloom, gnashing of teeth, cats and dogs living together, and mass hysteria.

The odds favor a "push forward + fixes" response (aka no response) for account wide achievements, but both are possible.

Danikat wrote: »

Has ZOS ever backed down on a change once it gets onto the PTS? I know they sometimes tweak the numbers on balance changes or fix some of the bugs which are identified, but I can't remember them ever putting a system onto the PTS and then not including it in the live update, no matter what players thought of it.

Yes. Once, that I recall. It was a Big Deal at the time. However, I am at a loss to remember what it was.

Mephit

Elsonso wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

That said, we're very unlikely to see any changes on PTS update 1 on Monday (the 7th), as there are rarely any significant changes in that one. The next Monday (the 14th) is when we will be pinning our hopes on.

Right. Changes made in the "dot one" update (7.3.1) will be stuff they knew about before PTS but did not make the first PTS drop. One week is not much time for them to think about and discuss changes, make the changes, and test the changes.

The "dot two" and later updates will reflect more and more feedback from players and include some of the easier changes.

Nothing sizable will be done during PTS, as there is no time for anything that takes more than a couple weeks to design, implement, and test. This means "remove, try again in a future update" or "push forward + fixes" for this. BOTH of these will be met with outcry, doom and gloom, gnashing of teeth, cats and dogs living together, and mass hysteria.

The odds favor a "push forward + fixes" response (aka no response) for account wide achievements, but both are possible.

It's their business... I already cancelled my ESO+, did it right after reading the PTS notes. I see no point further investing my money in a game where they suddenly delete my progress and totally remove my enthusiasm for replaying. I may pay for the expansion when it comes out, but I'll only need to do it once as per the direction they are going... their business...

skyrimfantasy

So with quests auto-completing on an alt, not only do we lose the ability to play a quest again, we loose the reward of something like the museum quests as noted earlier in comments. How about the nirnhoned item you get as a reward in the Crag quest line, do we no longer get that? Do we also lose any skill points an alt would have earned on a quest? This would make leveling alts tiresome.

Sheepzy

I really loved the idea of global achievements as I have one toon for each faction and so collecting all the achievements is almost impossible. It would be great to be able to see how many of the achievements have been done overall.

However, the way that it appears to have been implemented is terrible. It makes a complete mockery of playing the way you want, with only one play style considered. A lot of people, myself included, want to be able to keep track of the achievements on a per character and global basis. A lot of the suggestions here e.g. an extra global tab, make a lot of sense and should be implemented, giving the best of both worlds. As it stands, this just ruins the game for a lot of people, for no real benifit.

Reminds me of the introduction of skyshards on the map compass in the last patch. They could easily have added a filter option to turn this on, but purposefully choose not to - thus removing some enjoyment from those who like the skyshard search. It wasn't like it would have been a high maintanence addition. Now admittedly only a very small minority were disappointed in this case, myself included, but it speaks volumes as to the thinking when implementing these changes.

Elsonso

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Mephit wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

That said, we're very unlikely to see any changes on PTS update 1 on Monday (the 7th), as there are rarely any significant changes in that one. The next Monday (the 14th) is when we will be pinning our hopes on.

Right. Changes made in the "dot one" update (7.3.1) will be stuff they knew about before PTS but did not make the first PTS drop. One week is not much time for them to think about and discuss changes, make the changes, and test the changes.

The "dot two" and later updates will reflect more and more feedback from players and include some of the easier changes.

Nothing sizable will be done during PTS, as there is no time for anything that takes more than a couple weeks to design, implement, and test. This means "remove, try again in a future update" or "push forward + fixes" for this. BOTH of these will be met with outcry, doom and gloom, gnashing of teeth, cats and dogs living together, and mass hysteria.

The odds favor a "push forward + fixes" response (aka no response) for account wide achievements, but both are possible.

It's their business... I already cancelled my ESO+, did it right after reading the PTS notes. I see no point further investing my money in a game where they suddenly delete my progress and totally remove my enthusiasm for replaying. I may pay for the expansion when it comes out, but I'll only need to do it once as per the direction they are going... their business...

It is too soon to start pulling triggers. Plenty of time to decide. Unless ESO Plus is renewing imminently, of course.

However, I do agree that it may be warranted to take a financial step back from ESO, and perhaps put that money to use elsewhere.

ZOS has danced into a minefield with this and they are in trouble no matter which direction they go. What remains to be seen is which group of players they want to annoy the most.

etchedpixels

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

I notice that players in favour of account-wide achievements frequently say it's what other MMO's do.

Some do., some don't - but none of them have turned around and changed system midflow, and those that do stuff per player account actually have different working mechanisms for tracking all the per character progress, and haven't thrown away all the existing data.

SWTOR for example has the notion of a "legacy" that meaningful account wide achievements are tied to but separate from the characters story, and you can still trivially see what you need to do on a given character (slightly complicated by the fact there are class specific storylines).

Many of the other games don't have "achievements" in the ESO sense at all - eg Albion Online has 'achievements' but they are very much a side consideration to the game and it looks like someone threw them in to keep people who like achievement badges happy. They are not really relevant to tracking progress or anything like that.

Both WoW and GW2 use achievements quite differently too - they have things like limited time achievements to play the whole Fear Of Missing Out game with players and drive certain activities during events. In many respects some WoW achievements are more like the event ticket stuff and clown store artificially limited availability items.

None of them are really comparable to the ESO model where the achievements *are* the character history and story as well as the progress tracker and how you find out what needs to be done.

Tyrion87

Personally I really love this change as achievements registering per character have always kept me from playing on my alts. As a result I felt forced to do the content primarily on my main which resulted in boredom, while my alts were only for some dungeon/trial runs - of course after I did them on my main earlier.

But I can see it's a big change for many people and won't get 100% acclaim among playerbase, especially those who did the hardest achievements and obtained the most prestigous titles on many characters.

In general, I think the game - at this point - really needs account-wide achievements and it will be mostly well received and very welcome.

willymancer69

Someone mentioned a poll in General where the community is voting on if they like the new Achievement Sharing feature-- could someone point me to that? I'm having trouble finding it.

proprio.meb16_ESO

There a quite active thread here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596509/account-wide-titles-ruin-titles#latest
And the poll should be this one, currently on page 2: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596364/would-you-prefer-account-wide-achievements

tomofhyrule

Elsonso wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I almost never look at the achievement menu, except if I want an achievement reward and I need to see which character is closest to getting it (or has already got it for things like furnishings). I keep track of their individual progress by using the map markers and the quests available, the skill lines they've levelled and things like that, and since none of that is going to change I can't see this having an impact on how I play my various characters. The achievements are just a little tick box that appears periodically. I actually use an addon to make the notifications smaller to get them out of the way because I found it annoying when I was trying to see the resolution of a quest or whatever and the screen was full of mess telling me I've done what I know I just did.

As long as the content itself isn't automatically completed on all your characters, which as far as I've seen isn't the case, this isn't going to stop me wanting to repeat things.

Uh huh. For the last 8 years, it has been the responsibility of the players to adapt to the various changes that ZOS makes to the game. I have done this numerous times, already. What you have said was my planned path to adapting to this, basically ignoring achievements and looking for other ways to tell if my character has not done something. I am almost there right now, but I have used them to pick the focus of what I am going to do next. That would stop, or at least change, with the One Player update. Since I would never be seeing achievements happen, except on rare occasion, this seemed to be a viable workaround.

I am not opposed to account-wide achievements. I am opposed to them doing it in such a way that years worth of character and player+character accomplishments stored by the game are erased. Like I said before, account achievements being tied to the character ended up being an epic game design mistake extending back before launch. ZOS is not meeting expectations with how they are fixing it.

Then I started to see that quests and other in-game things were based on completion of an achievement. Now it is broken worse than what I expected, although I should not be surprised. Even if ZOS fixes these, it could take years for them to be reported and fixed.

ZOS is not going to back down. I will adapt to this. It will not be done without some changes, though.

See, I could get used to this. I'd be disappointed, but there are some nice features here. Yes, it's sad to lose the progress and not be able to achieve anything on alts, but I can deal. Most of my gameplay with them is dreaming up stories (and then being too lazy to finish writing, but that's a different problem). I love the account-wide titles thing. I'd love to pick up monster trophies on alts.

But I only have one endgame-ready character, and nothing will make me want to play another for endgame. In fact, the only characters I let get above level 50 are my story ones, so there's only one of those so far and I've been playing for almost 3 years. And yes, part of it was that I want my achievements on main. The cynic in me says that this'll make it easy for raid groups to say "Hey, you need to make a magcro to run this trial. Don't worry, you'll still get the achieve so you can do it with whoever." To which I'd say "screw you," tbh; if I can't do it with my main, I don't need to do it.

But this change will still affect quality of life for me. Entering a zone for the first time and seeing the entire zone completed save the quest hubs? And that's not something I track by the achievements, I track it by what's black and what's white on the map. That is a major flaw in the system. And I do like the 'Achievement unlocked' popup, which is now all but gone. I like to check the achievement tracker to see what I've done and what I need to do - I do go in and look at it pretty well every time I play. After this, I won't be able to do that anymore. Yes, I could make up external spreadsheets as to what my story alts have/haven't done yet, but that's unnecessary tedium. It'll be a massive QoL decrease for me.

...and again, the loss of some of the museum stuff is disappointing. It may be little things, but not being able to see a character get the 30s of being taller since all of the mammoth cheese is 'completed?' Or the silly little effects from the Summerset relics? Small flavor and completely irrelevant, but that's literally the game taking things away from us. I'm still sore from losing the original tutorial areas, and now we're only losing more things.

It just feels like we're losing a lot from this. If we had started the game with account-wide, it'd have been fine. If we had gotten a character tab - even if those grindy ones would increment over the whole account - it'd be fine. But as is, it only feels like we're losing stuff. It feels like our character histories are being deleted, and our only compensation is "well, if your alt picks up a polished mudcrab shell, then you get the whole achieve! You don't need to play your main exclusively... but then the achievement credit goes to the last person you played, so hope you don't mind ignoring the name we give to it."

I'll agree with what has been said before - it feels like ZOS intends us to have one character overall. Any alts are just alter egos of that same character, not characters with their own story. Funny, I have a guildie who did do that (his main was a magblade, but he had a magden alt with a similar name to represent him when he was in his frost mage mode). But I know for a lot of people, making their buff Orc dude into little more than an alter ego of their dainty Altmer maiden...

Dark_Lord_Kuro

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'm strongly against the change in it's current form.
Why can't they do it like it's done in the "Kyomas Global Achievements" Addon? There you can get an overview of what achievements you earned across your entire account, but you can still also keep track of each character individually.

Because it not what pople actulay want hen they say the want accout wide achievement

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Varana

Creating an opt-in system is not a solution.
Many appreciate the thought behind the idea, have nothing against using titles on all characters, want grindy monster hunt achievements combined, and so on. So they're not opposed to this change, per se, and an opt-in system doesn't take this view into account.

But the current implementation is the absolutely worst that anyone could've come up with (short of deleting all achievements ever). Intentions may have been good, but good intentions are the pavement to a certain place. It would be really interesting to know why ZOS found it a good idea to irrevocably and permanently wipe achievement data.
Apart from all the other hiccups and player-unfriendly issues (like skill/guild or quest progression tied to achievements) that come to light now.
Did those responsible for the implementation not think that players might want to keep that data?
Or is there some other motive / benefit for ZOS behind this?* If so, it might be helpful to know.
Was this thought through? At all?

Unfortunately, a decent solution to this problem requires work (including time and money), and I'm not sure ZOS want to invest that into this system.
Character-specific achievements with a combined account achievement tab,
account-wide achievements with a separate character journal**,
account-wide achievements with detailed character-specific information,
other solutions I can't think of now -
all these need work. But in about four weeks, all data will be deleted and forever lost. That's not much time.

So it would be somewhat reassuring to hear whether it's at least planned to keep the old achievements data somewhere in the database so that a better system can be implemented during the weeks after the change goes live.

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* One conspiracy I've heard is that this is being done to cover up the botched achievement transfer between PS4/PS5. Or whatever - as long as ZOS doesn't tell anyone, people will speculate.

** Which would be my preferred solution - do the achievement thingy as planned but set up a new system on top of it ("Journal" or something) that tracks individual progress for characters, with dates of completion and in-game message pop-ups and skill line progression bonuses, and all that.

Mephit

proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »

There a quite active thread here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596509/account-wide-titles-ruin-titles#latest
And the poll should be this one, currently on page 2: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596364/would-you-prefer-account-wide-achievements

That poll would be fine if this were all new content, but we have 8 years of progress at risk.

Some person "passing through", who wants to rush complete the game (their choice and I have no issue with that) should not get to decide if I lose 8 years of progress across many characters.

I have no issue with account wide achievements as something new, just don't remove what I worked hard for.

Mephit

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Didn't answer my question...

tmbrinks

Elsonso wrote: »

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Mephit wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

That said, we're very unlikely to see any changes on PTS update 1 on Monday (the 7th), as there are rarely any significant changes in that one. The next Monday (the 14th) is when we will be pinning our hopes on.

Right. Changes made in the "dot one" update (7.3.1) will be stuff they knew about before PTS but did not make the first PTS drop. One week is not much time for them to think about and discuss changes, make the changes, and test the changes.

The "dot two" and later updates will reflect more and more feedback from players and include some of the easier changes.

Nothing sizable will be done during PTS, as there is no time for anything that takes more than a couple weeks to design, implement, and test. This means "remove, try again in a future update" or "push forward + fixes" for this. BOTH of these will be met with outcry, doom and gloom, gnashing of teeth, cats and dogs living together, and mass hysteria.

The odds favor a "push forward + fixes" response (aka no response) for account wide achievements, but both are possible.

It's their business... I already cancelled my ESO+, did it right after reading the PTS notes. I see no point further investing my money in a game where they suddenly delete my progress and totally remove my enthusiasm for replaying. I may pay for the expansion when it comes out, but I'll only need to do it once as per the direction they are going... their business...

It is too soon to start pulling triggers. Plenty of time to decide. Unless ESO Plus is renewing imminently, of course.

However, I do agree that it may be warranted to take a financial step back from ESO, and perhaps put that money to use elsewhere.

ZOS has danced into a minefield with this and they are in trouble no matter which direction they go. What remains to be seen is which group of players they want to annoy the most.

Yup, no definitive triggers.

That said, I have not pre-ordered this chapter (first one I haven't right when it went live)

And my year-long plus sub would renew on the 15th. I have cancelled the auto-renew on it. I've never not had the sub to the game (for several years had 2 of them). May go month-to-month depending on what happens with both this and the next chapter, as there wasn't really anything that made me go "ooh, I gotta play this!"

proprio.meb16_ESO

Mephit wrote: »

proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »

There a quite active thread here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596509/account-wide-titles-ruin-titles#latest
And the poll should be this one, currently on page 2: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596364/would-you-prefer-account-wide-achievements

That poll would be fine if this were all new content, but we have 8 years of progress at risk.

Some person "passing through", who wants to rush complete the game (their choice and I have no issue with that) should not get to decide if I lose 8 years of progress across many characters.

I have no issue with account wide achievements as something new, just don't remove what I worked hard for.

Lol Was answering to @willymancer69 , who was asking for where the poll was in General, and i'm just probably sharing the avatar with @Dark_Lord_Kuro... personally i'm quite worried about the whole thing, just like you, specifically when it can break questing on alts and/or parallel toons straight away.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Mephit wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Didn't answer my question...

Yes i will still continue to quest either way, acheivement arent nessesary to do that, although they seem to help a lot of people of the forum to do so

skyrimfantasy

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

But it IS stopping you. You can start a quest on an alt, but then it suddenly completes and you no longer have the option to continue with actually doing the quest. So you don't get the achievement and you don't get to go through the quest if it's been done on another character. (Edit: formatting)

Karivaa

So are all of your characters emperors now and do they all have 5 stars? Did they give you the skill points earned from earning stars in Cyrodiil?

Varana

Karivaa wrote: »

So are all of your characters emperors now and do they all have 5 stars? Did they give you the skill points earned from earning stars in Cyrodiil?

You will get the Former Emperor title and the titles for all your Alliance War ranks but the rank itself (the stars) and skill line progress are separate things.

Mephit

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Didn't answer my question...

Yes i will still continue to quest either way, acheivement arent nessesary to do that, although they seem to help a lot of people of the forum to do so

Wasn't a dig at you or anyone, I just genuinely want to know what the ask is. If someone can articulate what is required then perhaps we can find a middle ground. I can't believe anyone is asking for progress to be lost?

Sounds like someone told ZOS that "account wide achievements would be cool" and they have brought in a massive sledgehammer with no though for the consequences.

Like someone else mentioned, perhaps there is another reason? either way.. I'll be out if it progress is lost

Tabatha

I really want lorebooks to be account wide. For example I did The Reach on my main during a time when the story quest line books didn’t count. I obviously picked them up and read them, otherwise the story would not have advanced… yet they are not completed in my Lore inventory. I was a completionist, now I have decided to stop buying motifs, why bother buying them to add to the lore total books read when I have missing ones that have not been fixed.

tomofhyrule

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Didn't answer my question...

Yes i will still continue to quest either way, acheivement arent nessesary to do that, although they seem to help a lot of people of the forum to do so

I think people are noticing that you're very supportive of the new system - which is fine, you're allowed to like it! - but just want to know why you think that it's worth deleting history do to so.

I get that the grind for monster trophies is terrible. I'm all for that being account-wide. There are a few obnoxiously grindy achievements that should be account wide.

But the PTS system shows that some achievements can be tracked at a character level and at an account level. So making Monster trophies be account wide doesn't mean that zone completion (which is a lot of little achievements that are easy enough to do) needs to be as well.

So why do you think that all delves should be registered as complete on all characters if only one did it?

I think most people in this thread are looking for a compromise solution, and the 'character and account' tab is the most common proposal. Most people are also arguing that account-wide accumulation for grindy achievements is a good thing. I know I'd be fine if the 'account' tab was the default so you had to actually switch to the character tab. But exploration is not grindy like Monster Trophies are, especially not if you do have an 'account' achievement tab already. But nobody is making a solid point as to why deleting character achievement is better than showing it in an alternate tab.

Mycroftz

Varana wrote: »

Unfortunately, a decent solution to this problem requires work (including time and money), and I'm not sure ZOS want to invest that into this system.

Should be fairly simple to track achievement points on an account wide level while still making it not impact characters. Currently the system is essentially overwriting character achievements with ones completed by other toons. This is not acceptable. And the current system they are implementing is actually a lot of work; they even have to change the entire way Undaunted is tracked.

There is really no need for "Account wide" achievements implemented in such a way that it overwrites individual toon achievements. Why not just TRACK it? Have it so it says XXX achievement has completed before on a YYY toon, but not this one, so if you want to do it again you can! And leave titles linked to individual achievement on a character level, because then there's still incentive or a reward for those who do enjoy doing the content again.

MOST roleplaying titles that the casual ESO gamer wants to use are really not that difficult to get. Making all titles available across all toons makes them less valuable. There really should be a way to keep more difficult achievements outside of this.

If they are implementing this account wide achievement as is, it really should be al all or nothing. But ZOS is conveniently leaving out things they can monetize (crafting, skyshards, etc). There's really no true benefit or QOL improvement here, instead it is making players less likely to want to replay certain aspects of the game.

In short, you're removing a core aspect of the game that people actually enjoy; hunting after coveted achievements multiple times in different roles and characters. I believe TRACKING achievements on an account wide level can offer many benefits, such as allowing you to work towards that total 50k achievement points with all toons instead of only on one, while still maintaining the value of high-end achievement titles (both PvP, PvE, RP) behind toons who earned them, and not erasing what you've achieved on individual toons.

megasurge93

As a player who is an achievement hunter but absolutely loathes the monotony of repeating content, I am quite happy with the account-wide achievements. Having to play one single character only to acquire all achievements gets rather dull and I'm excited to now be able to play my various other 17 characters yet still accruing achievement points. It'll be nice to have variety again. If the Alliance War rank would be cumulative across all characters as well that would be great, but I do have friends who have multiple 5 star general characters and they wouldn't like that, of course. It would also be nice if motifs were account wide like outfit style pages, but I can see that leading to an in-game market crash, so I'm ok with that. All-in-all from what I'm reading in the patch notes, it sounds good to me.

Reading over the various feedback, it seems that many people like character based achievements and I see some valid points. People who want to redo the content or get certain achievements on individual characters due to replay-ability or being more immersive with how they might roleplay each individual character, both make sense to me. I expect that an Opt-Out/Opt-In function might be not possible because part of the reason this might be happening is to also fix simultaneously fix the PSN trophies issue? All achievements are made account-wide and suddenly they all get re-registered with PSN and bam, the trophies now appear as one would expect. However, the other possibility that others noted was having a separate tab for individual character achievement progress as well as an account-wide view. That seems like a good middle ground and would allow for both sides of the yays & nays to have what they want out of this change. I think this method would be the most beneficial and cause the least amount of grief from the player community.

Elsonso

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Mephit wrote: »

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I wish everything transferred over.

Can I ask why that is...

Do you only want to do things once? and want to be able to pick different characters / classes to do it depending on what you are enjoying at the time / which is "better"?

Would you be happier if you had one account wide character that could swap classes / skills as and when?

Just trying to understand the requirement.

Nothing stop you from epeating content on other characters, you just wont receive acheivement for it, wich depending on who you ask can be either not a problem, a major one or anything in between

Admittedly, some of these achievements are hard to track. How do you know for sure whether you meet all of the criteria, to the letter of the criteria?