PvPers how does this make you feel?

Lebkuchen

After the ballista bluescreen patch for playstation, the performance was very good for some days (at least one day). Big fights in full keeps without lags, bluescreens, loading screens, freezes...

Today i was in cyrodiil for a while and the whole group could not cast abilities, people bluescreened for no reason, and you could see that enemies struggeled with their performance too. Players teleported left and right, you could see some hands move, but no abilities come out...

It is getting worse every day. If someone is really "working on it" they are not doing a good job and taking their time...

I mean, it has been years, a lot of years, and it still does not work for some reason. And instead of telling us what the problem is, we get laughed at and treated like toxic trolls for wanting to play the game.

Rohamad_Ali

There is no need for the community to be divided on this. Had this remark came up regarding any community, RP, PvE or Raids most everyone would be a little upset.

There is a rule to drama. Who ever stirred the bitter pot should be the one to lick the spoon..

No pvp players stirred the pot here.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

There needs to be a public apology for Mrs Lambert's remarks. What she did was uncalled for. I expect better from a woman of her age. (I am in my mid 50s, myself). Her husband is a face of ZOS even on his private but very public stream.

edward_frigidhands

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

There needs to be a public apology for Mrs Lambert's remarks. What she did was uncalled for. I expect better from a woman of her age. (I am in my mid 50s, myself). Her husband is a face of ZOS even on his private but very public stream.

Lol...it's just a joke.

I think this is being blown way out of proportion.

xDeusEJRx

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

There needs to be a public apology for Mrs Lambert's remarks. What she did was uncalled for. I expect better from a woman of her age. (I am in my mid 50s, myself). Her husband is a face of ZOS even on his private but very public stream.

Lol...it's just a joke.

I think this is being blown way out of proportion.

The thing is, it was quite clearly a mocking remark at the original question, but she made an assumption that they were being a troll and asking a question with troll intentions, when it wasn't.
The problem is they are treating legitimate questions and concerns as bait and trolly comments and responding to that with troll responses, aka the "wah wah wah I have no sympathy". In no way would combating trolls by being trolly yourself would end in a good response, but the thing is it wasn't a troll response.
They are treating genuine questions now as if they are troll bait messages meant to demean them, which is silencing any sort of genuine constructive criticism and writing it off entirely.

OtarTheMad

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

There needs to be a public apology for Mrs Lambert's remarks. What she did was uncalled for. I expect better from a woman of her age. (I am in my mid 50s, myself). Her husband is a face of ZOS even on his private but very public stream.

Lol...it's just a joke.

I think this is being blown way out of proportion.

The thing is, it was quite clearly a mocking remark at the original question, but she made an assumption that they were being a troll and asking a question with troll intentions, when it wasn't.
The problem is they are treating legitimate questions and concerns as bait and trolly comments and responding to that with troll responses, aka the "wah wah wah I have no sympathy". In no way would combating trolls by being trolly yourself would end in a good response, but the thing is it wasn't a troll response.
They are treating genuine questions now as if they are troll bait messages meant to demean them, which is silencing any sort of genuine constructive criticism and writing it off entirely.

In the stream the person who asked the question not only laughed at her response but said "cmon I had to" as well. I am guessing this was a slight joke question. So I agree that some are making a mountain out of an anthill.

SilverBride

OtarTheMad wrote: »

So I agree that some are making a mountain out of an anthill.

I wonder what Zenimax thinks.

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all!

After a thorough review, we would like ask that all further posts be kept civil, constructive, and with the Community Guidelines. Among the rules, Baiting, Bashing, Flaming, Rude, and other comments of the sort, are violations of the rules, and will result in disciplinary action being taken. We get that a lot of community members are not very happy with the clip that is circulating. However, the video the is being referenced would seem to be a clip that was posted on YouTube, and they have their own rules, Terms of Service, and Code of Conduct.

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mickeyx

AuraNebula wrote: »

https://youtu.be/oSDxjJ15YII

I guess we are all just a bunch of crybabies who only like to troll developers. Forget that we have invested years and thousands of hours into a game that we love. Some people may come across as demanding, but in reality they are frustrated and just want a game that works.

Edit: Performance has been bad for years and many PvPers have felt neglected because of it. For years we have heard "We are working on it" and now those words do not mean anything. We don't know what they are working on. We have no way of knowing when they estimate it will be fixed. We just get shamed for caring. If we don't like it we can play another game according to that lady.

I am not even a PVPer and this is really unprofessional behaviour. Please stop gaslighting playerbase that's literally paying for your bills.

surfcat

@ZOS_GregoryV @ZOS_GinaBruno I got to give you some PROPS!

It took a long long time for ZOS to acknowledge this tread, then lock it, then UNLOCK it!

For you all to unlock it shows that you have some stones to accept the feedback ( I will carefully use the word feedback here) given the twitch stream and the present (horrible) state of PVP, and the HORRENDOUS optics that the woman in the twitch feed snow plows ZOS into.

PVP is bad. I personally had an experience recently where I was attacking from stealth, none of my animations fired/completed or however you want to describe, I clicked skills to follow on, I never moved (couldnt) and when the game caught up, the player I was attacking was long dead and I was being attacked and near dead to others. WOW what an exhilarating experience! I cant imagine that in a large scale battle. (I am a stealth character, some would say ganker, but I reject that label, and I avoid large scale battles for the most part) My success relies on my stealth, burst damage and a secondary burst of DOT. If the player is not dead and I am not gone/invisible/disappeared then I will be. So the lag and not being able to execute those mechanics is a death sentence to me. Hearing this, and not having any meaningful communications for ZOS is demoralizing. The fact that Rich is sitting there laughing at (what we PVPers all assume is us) is bad optics.

I hope that this is the beginning of an opening of communications and some meaningful interactions to help heal the damage done to the user community because that is what is very very sorely needed.

Queen_Rhaenys

I don’t know the full context of who asked or how it was asked in the first place. I missed the stream when this happened and can’t be bothered to look into it further. All I know is that Rich always answered any pvp questions in his stream respectably when I watch. As an avid pvper for years in eso, I pretty much don’t feel anything about that video - which may be telling in itself.

Maybe because I was into pvp for so long I grew used to my problems not really being acknowledged in the greater scheme of the game, and it’s made me jaded? lol. Personally I’ve been bothered by a lot worse behavior from actual players than to care that Terry is “making fun” of pvpers at this point.

hands0medevil

All of us always wanted honest answers for our questions about pvp, performance etc. Now finally we have it. Lets face it with dignity and use the strongest power we have... our wallets.

TheInfernalRage

Truth hurts. Reality bites.

Faulgor

I could be upset, but I also know not to take everything so seriously, so I'm really meh about all this.

cro25519

Unfortunate.

Felt really bad to see how horrified he was in the video. Hope everything ends up being fine. I enjoy their streams and it'd be a shame if he couldn't stream because of it.

Cadbury

This is why I don't throw out any hot take over Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
You don't want it coming back to you.

Nord_Raseri

So, we're not allowed to state patches that came with serious issues(such as infinite load screens and game crashes) in cyrodiil without having our comment deleted? As far as I can tell there was no bashing or baiting in any way of either ZOS , ZOS employees, or fellow forum dwellers in said comment.

tuxon

Oh well...The same as I felt when I saw that twitch clip from stream where Rich banned a guy for asking a question about respec scrolls, if you know what I mean. That's what we always had, this kind of attitude towards players, It's just that finally more and more people started to notice it.

Nord_Raseri

Also, is it weird that, as a PVPer, the video almost made me laugh? I get that it probably should not have been said, but it was somewhat entertaining.

Nord_Raseri

tuxon wrote: »

Oh well...The same as I felt when I saw that twitch clip from stream where Rich banned a guy for asking a question about respec scrolls, if you know what I mean. That's what we always had, this kind of attitude towards players, It's just that finally more and more people started to notice it.

I'm really behind in all this. I do not watch many video streams from any source. I get what info I can from here. From what you said, seems to be a recurring pattern?

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

Whatching this while experiencing consistant crashes and repairing my client is kind of ironic. But at this point their word means absolutely nothing, so it's only natural to resort to incoherent noises while sheltering parakeets on their shoulders. On the other hand my grandma used to say "when you have nothing meaningful to say, better say nothing at all". On a positive note, she does know her target group.

SantieClaws

This does all tie in nicely with the yearly theme though - storms

Maybe the parrot is also a clue yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

EmperorIl

Maybe I should have spent this $2k since release on another game....

Ragged_Claw

Pepegrillos wrote: »

In any case, the fact that Lambert's stream is orbited by a select few uncritical, self-serving sycophants explains why this kind of behavior might seem acceptable within the stream. They've created an environment where all criticism is received and perceived as an attack, even a personal attack. No wonder why criticism or less-than-favorable questions can be dealt with derision.

This is utterly untrue and extremely cruel.

Emmagoldman

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

At first, angry, but as a historian I would love to see the whole stream to understand the whole context. Its far to easy to use a short clip of anyone to stir emotions. Do you have a link to the whole stream?

https://twitch.tv/videos/1256402903

Thanks! Really appreciated just curious, do you know around what time? Thanks again!!!

Ragged_Claw

tuxon wrote: »

Oh well...The same as I felt when I saw that twitch clip from stream where Rich banned a guy for asking a question about respec scrolls, if you know what I mean. That's what we always had, this kind of attitude towards players, It's just that finally more and more people started to notice it.

I've never seen 'Rich' ban anyone for asking a question, that would most likely have been one of his mods. He answers the same questions over and over again with more patience than I'd ever have. Do you have a link to this 'banning'?

Ragged_Claw

To answer the OP's question, I'll tell you how this makes me feel, it makes me feel like (some) PvPers are ruining things for everyone again. Rich streams now primarily to raise money for a dog rescue group which is headed by his wife, Terri. Terri does a 'takeover' and talks more personally about life. She is warm and funny and incredibly welcoming. She does, however, shoot straight from the hip and takes no nonsense, she also has a wicked sense of humor and has us all in hysterics for the duration of her takeovers.

Should she have done the crying thing? Probably not, but then should people be harrassing HER about PvP issues during her segment? Obviously not.

If most of you knew this, you would know the context behind Terri's comments. Instead here are people wading in who've clearly never watched one of their streams, expecting them to be inhuman ZoS representatives even when off the clock and outright lying about things said on Stream and in chat.

So thanks, PvPers for your manufactured outrage over a comment made in jest by someone who has no control over the state of PvP, because Rich may not be able to or want to stream now, so that's a loss of finance for the dog rescue, which personally I think is more important than any aspect of a video game. Cheers for that.

ApoAlaia

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

To answer the OP's question, I'll tell you how this makes me feel, it makes me feel like (some) PvPers are ruining things for everyone again. Rich streams now primarily to raise money for a dog rescue group which is headed by his wife, Terri. Terri does a 'takeover' and talks more personally about life. She is warm and funny and incredibly welcoming. She does, however, shoot straight from the hip and takes no nonsense, she also has a wicked sense of humor and has us all in hysterics for the duration of her takeovers.

Should she have done the crying thing? Probably not, but then should people be harrassing HER about PvP issues during her segment? Obviously not.

If most of you knew this, you would know the context behind Terri's comments. Instead here are people wading in who've clearly never watched one of their streams, expecting them to be inhuman ZoS representatives even when off the clock and outright lying about things said on Stream and in chat.

So thanks, PvPers for your manufactured outrage over a comment made in jest by someone who has no control over the state of PvP, because Rich may not be able to or want to stream now, so that's a loss of finance for the dog rescue, which personally I think is more important than any aspect of a video game. Cheers for that.

If Terri is a functional adult she will take responsibility for and deal with the consequences of her actions, like functional adults do.

She will not be shifting the burden of responsibility to her audience or any other third party.

We have names for the hypothetical behaviour you describe in your comment, but as none of them are flattering and I have seen no indication that they apply to her I will refrain from commenting further and just label the suggestion as misguided.

JanTanhide

You want the game to work properly? We've been told they are "working on it" for many years yet here we are in 2022 with the same ole mess.

Let's be frank here: The game is old and the servers are unable to handle the client base. We've known this for many years. For this game to continue successfully for everyone as a minimum the servers need to be upgraded to handle the player base, not rewrite old code removing animations and procs to lessen the load.

The game should be updated to a newer gaming engine as well such as Unreal 5. Should also use as a minimum either Vulkan or Direct X 12. None of this has happened.

I watched that video and was disgusted by her comment. You want to make a point of fixing this game people? Then show them where your money is. When millions unsub maybe they will wake up and respect you and fix the game.

Elsonso

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There is no need for the community to be divided on this. Had this remark came up regarding any community, RP, PvE or Raids most everyone would be a little upset.

There is a rule to drama. Who ever stirred the bitter pot should be the one to lick the spoon..

Honestly, the community is already divided on this.

From what I have seen, she said nothing that has not been thought by quite a few people in the ESO social community. The fact is that some ESO player demographics do have a somewhat negative reputation, which is sad because most of them in that group don't deserve that reputation.

In the end, this was nothing special in the ESO Twitch scene. Some ESO player gets time on a stream, theirs or someone else's, and goes off about the community, part of the community, or someone in the community. These are frequently not nice to watch. It has been happening with increasing regularity over the last couple of weeks, but I can think of cases going back a couple years. Ms Lambert wasn't the latest one, either (or the worst), and I really don't see this ending any time soon.

The clip is nothing more than a continuation of a problem that has been getting increasingly worse on social media, here on the forum, and right here in the thread.

As for whether she should apologize... probably. There aren't going to be enough apologies all around to fix the larger issue, though.

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

I've never seen 'Rich' ban anyone for asking a question, that would most likely have been one of his mods. He answers the same questions over and over again with more patience than I'd ever have. Do you have a link to this 'banning'?

From what I have seen... If someone comes into the stream with an attitude and tries to call him out, they will get banned, either by a moderator or by Rich. I am pretty sure he has done it at least one time, but it is hard to tell. I have never seen someone get banned for asking a question minus the attitude, even if the question has been asked by someone else a gazillion times. Sometimes, rude messages get deleted and Rich asks the person to rephrase the question and try again. I don't recall the person doing it very many times, which just indicates to me that they weren't looking for an answer, just a fight.