Real stamwhip

Wellsley

We need a stamwhip with a stamina cost, not just scalling with hightest offensive stats.
Only this would "finally end the fiery and age-old debate over getting a Stamina Whip".

Maybe next week ? 🤔

MashmalloMan

Agreed, it's funny they reference it being a stamina whip while it costing magicka..

But hey, we're not on the PTS yet, maybe they didn't mention the cost dynamically scales too? (Doubt it).

orothil

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Agreed, it's funny they reference it being a stamina whip while it costing magicka..

But hey, we're not on the PTS yet, maybe they didn't mention the cost dynamically scales too? (Doubt it).

The cost dynamically scaling would be perfect but I highly doubt it.

Jodynn

A Magicka skill on a dot is fine like soul trap or even blockade, but on a spammable it would seem like you'll never sustain it, ESPECIALLY in PVP.

PvE.. you might : Charged x combustion and battle roar you might actually get away with it using tri stat food and all other stamina skills; too lazy to do the math, will you parse for me. I'm a MagDK

MashmalloMan

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

redspecter23

MashmalloMan wrote: »

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

That's the potential right there. If you can find a way to make it work on your magicka pool without giving up too much, then it's a sustain dream having your spammable not cost any of your primary resource.

MashmalloMan

redspecter23 wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

That's the potential right there. If you can find a way to make it work on your magicka pool without giving up too much, then it's a sustain dream having your spammable not cost any of your primary resource.

I'm thinking you could do stam/mag food instead of stam/stam regen food or even Sugar Skulls if you wanted more health for a little less resources. Maybe flame/poison enchant with DW nirn + charged would be enough to sustain with the new combustion passive.

Urzigurumash

MashmalloMan wrote: »

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

Yeah, DK has excellent hybrid sustain in the tank form in PvE, with the buff to Battle Roar it's better than ever for all DKs. We wanted something other classes don't have - does anyone else have an off-resource spammable?

danthemann5

"May this finally end the fiery and age-old debate over getting a Stamina Whip."

Age-old Stam Whip debate intensifies.

Bl4ckR3alm93

Jodynn wrote: »

A Magicka skill on a dot is fine like soul trap or even blockade, but on a spammable it would seem like you'll never sustain it, ESPECIALLY in PVP.

PvE.. you might : Charged x combustion and battle roar you might actually get away with it using tri stat food and all other stamina skills; too lazy to do the math, will you parse for me. I'm a MagDK

Does charged work on the backbar? Or does it have to be on the front bar

Tannus15

I'm actually super looking forward to using the armory on my nord dk tank to setup as a proper stamdk with flame whip...

MashmalloMan

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Jodynn wrote: »

A Magicka skill on a dot is fine like soul trap or even blockade, but on a spammable it would seem like you'll never sustain it, ESPECIALLY in PVP.

PvE.. you might : Charged x combustion and battle roar you might actually get away with it using tri stat food and all other stamina skills; too lazy to do the math, will you parse for me. I'm a MagDK

Does charged work on the backbar? Or does it have to be on the front bar

Charged will only work as you're holding the weapon.

auz

Hybrid whip is nice and all, but can't wait for stamwhip.

Nebula_DooM

RIP the Poison Whip dream tho

MashmalloMan

Nebula_DooM wrote: »

RIP the Poison Whip dream tho

Keep fighting.. Soul Trap changes based on highest offensive stats, maybe not the cost, but the damage type. It's 100% possible, if anything we're closer to that dream :P

Wellsley

MashmalloMan wrote: »

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

For pvp i think there are too many interesting magic skills :
- Cauterize, dragon blood ?, fragmented shield
- Petrify ?
- Volatile armor
- Protective scale ?
- Elusive mist or race against time

MashmalloMan

Wellsley wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

On another note, a magicka cost sounds like a massive sustain buff if a Stam DK can manage it.. Thats like 6-8 casts every 14s at 2300 magicka? A drain of 1300 magicka a second, may be possible to handle with some burning procs via combustion, but I doubt you can fit FoO in there too.

For pvp i think there are too many interesting magic skills :
- Cauterize, dragon blood ?, fragmented shield
- Petrify ?
- Volatile armor
- Protective scale ?
- Elusive mist or race against time

Yeah I was mainly thinking about pve there.. You could maybe just use it for the burst potential when you leap. Invest a little more into mag regen and less into stam regen.

Charged and combustion is also buffed, you can get more sustain there. I can see someone making it work if it's worth it, even for pvp.

Wellsley

Nebula_DooM wrote: »

RIP the Poison Whip dream tho

Poison whip would be nice with green animation 👍

Bl4ckR3alm93

Honestly they can keep the new Flame Whip the way it is and change Stone Giant to a poison morph ( change the name of the morph too ).

Urzigurumash

What does it matter if it's Poison Damage in 2021? Ignoring anything about sustain and costs, what? Swamp Raider and Scavenging Demise? It will hit harder against Heavy Armor if it's Flame, also gives us a way to proc Burning. The only other thing I can think of is Poison Whip would hit WW harder, on Flame it will hit Vampires a little harder until Undeath makes it not, but I'm probably missing something.

Also this way we can choose between the different secondary effects of the two morphs, which is nice, rather than just getting 1 Stam morph.

universal_wrath

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Agreed, it's funny they reference it being a stamina whip while it costing magicka..

But hey, we're not on the PTS yet, maybe they didn't mention the cost dynamically scales too? (Doubt it).

If they would changed it, they probably make it like the soul skil where the damage type is determined by the highest offensive stats physical or magical and in case of lava whip it is going to be fire or ...poison?

Elsonso

Wellsley wrote: »

We need a stamwhip with a stamina cost, not just scalling with hightest offensive stats.
Only this would "finally end the fiery and age-old debate over getting a Stamina Whip".

Maybe next week ? 🤔

I see this as a hybrid build option for a DK. My interpretation of the quip is that this is all that they are going to do for whip.

A hybrid friendly skill mixed with the homogenized set bonuses that they are rolling out will make it a possibility to gear both stamina and magicka sets in a hybrid build. In this way the build can use both magicka and stamina skills and provide power and regen for both. The whip drawing from the stamina offensive stat means you don't lose offensive power when using the magicka whip in a predominately stamina build.

Bl4ckR3alm93

Urzigurumash wrote: »

What does it matter if it's Poison Damage in 2021? Ignoring anything about sustain and costs, what? Swamp Raider and Scavenging Demise? It will hit harder against Heavy Armor if it's Flame, also gives us a way to proc Burning. The only other thing I can think of is Poison Whip would hit WW harder, on Flame it will hit Vampires a little harder until Undeath makes it not, but I'm probably missing something.

Also this way we can choose between the different secondary effects of the two morphs, which is nice, rather than just getting 1 Stam morph.

I like the Flame Whip the way it is too. I think the Stone Giant skill should change to a poison morph

KhajiitLivesMatter

guys pls stop mimimi i tested it yesterday its so easy to sustain this mag skill its easier than if it would cost stamina!

VarisVaris

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

guys pls stop mimimi i tested it yesterday its so easy to sustain this mag skill its easier than if it would cost stamina!

In PvE maybe, magdrain on stamdk in pvp is high compared to other classes with igneous, Volatile, cauterize, in those circumstances it's questionable that you can sustain it properly on top of lacking tools like heavy attacks or minor mag steal

KhajiitLivesMatter

VarisVaris wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

guys pls stop mimimi i tested it yesterday its so easy to sustain this mag skill its easier than if it would cost stamina!

In PvE maybe, magdrain on stamdk in pvp is high compared to other classes with igneous, Volatile, cauterize, in those circumstances it's questionable that you can sustain it properly on top of lacking tools like heavy attacks or minor mag steal

i play pvp tested it sustain wise easy

KhajiitLivesMatter

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

VarisVaris wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

guys pls stop mimimi i tested it yesterday its so easy to sustain this mag skill its easier than if it would cost stamina!

In PvE maybe, magdrain on stamdk in pvp is high compared to other classes with igneous, Volatile, cauterize, in those circumstances it's questionable that you can sustain it properly on top of lacking tools like heavy attacks or minor mag steal

i play pvp tested it sustain wise easy

swaped serpent for atro used tri stat pods
max stat food
woodelf
0 other sourced of reg
=== ez sustain

kojou

I will test to be certain, but it seems ok to me. Put a fire glyph on your front bar weapon (will proc burning) and then your other sustain is going to come from Battle Roar anyway which gives all resources and was buffed. The biggest compromise you will have to possibly make is running sugar skulls for a higher magicka pool.

You will generally only have time for 2 or 3 spammables per rotation anyway.

Luke_Flamesword

I prefer magicka whip too, it's nice to have option to utilize magicka not only as buffs, etc but also for pure damage. Overall sustain should be much better with other changes, so it should work well. We will see on PTS how it works in action.

Chaos2088

Do not understand why just one of the morphs is just turned into a stam version.

thadjarvis

Depending on how sustain works in practice it could be great for a stam based toon running Bahsei.