I remade the map - this time, everything is perfect

Thal_J

@Galiferno what doesn't work about it? can you screenshot and post the error? or describe what's going wrong

when I have addon conflicts I usually disable half of them, reloadUI, see if it makes a difference, if it does then I know the faulty addon is in that half, and then repeat the process until I find the faulty one.

also here is a snapshot to a version i know to be working: https://github.com/Thal-J/AccurateWorldMap/tree/1b707f3e1d2c27d3a950c3fb47dfb9ce7f6ce4e3

Vylaera

Galiferno wrote: »

These are the addons I had active at the time, save for Map Pins which I disabled when I had this addon active. I don't have Destinations at all, and I made sure Map Pins was completely disabled. I'm not really sure what's causing the conflict and didn't mean to imply anything negative toward your work. I think this is a fantastic idea and would love to have it working.

The only thing that would cause conflict, I think, would be stuff that edits the tamriel map. Stuff added to Zones has no affect and is compatible. I use Map Pins and Harvest Map as well in my game.

Try disabling anything you think might change the Tamriel map and see what it might be.

I'll look up all those addons later tonight and see if I can find any potential conflicts

Galiferno

Thal_J wrote: »

@Galiferno what doesn't work about it? can you screenshot and post the error? or describe what's going wrong

when I have addon conflicts I usually disable half of them, reloadUI, see if it makes a difference, if it does then I know the faulty addon is in that half, and then repeat the process until I find the faulty one.

also here is a snapshot to a version i know to be working: https://github.com/Thal-J/AccurateWorldMap/tree/1b707f3e1d2c27d3a950c3fb47dfb9ce7f6ce4e3

That one definitely works, thank you! Not sure what's different about it compared to the version I downloaded off Github. With that one, I was not able to zoom out from the local map in Vivec, and it was displaying prompts for other zones while I was looking at the city map. After that, my entire UI would break so no other menu could come up until I reloaded ui.

Thal_J

Galiferno wrote: »

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That one definitely works, thank you! Not sure what's different about it compared to the version I downloaded off Github. With that one, I was not able to zoom out from the local map in Vivec, and it was displaying prompts for other zones while I was looking at the city map. After that, my entire UI would break so no other menu could come up until I reloaded ui.

it sounds like you downloaded it during a period of about an hour when i was experimenting with local maps and broke something, oops. a case of unfortunate timing, I guess lol

TiaFrye

I was blown away by map's resolution, you guys are doing Divines' work here. Waiting for its public release with so much anticipation. The only thing I've noticed is snow globe home didn't migrate along with Eastmarch.



I also assume that Add-on menu settings error is something because this thing is still in alpha so no pressure here.

Thal_J

Thal_J wrote: »

Also on the topic of feedback, I don't use ESO houses, and I have the No Thank You! addon that turns off unowned houses.

I've tried to place/move the base game ones and a couple of the DLC ones to where they should be, but it's likely that I've missed a lot.

If you download the in-development version and find that some of your houses are misplaced, please tell me the following info so I can fix them:

• the name of the house
• where the entrance is in-game (the zone and general area)
• where it should appear on the map, a screenshot of vanilla would be useful here too

Also note that we sometimes make special exceptions for houses by moving the icon on the map, or adding a new landmass to the map for them (Topal Hideaway for example has its own island in Topal Bay), so if it makes sense we can think about that too.

@TiaFrye thank you for the kind words!

if you give me the above info i can get that house fixed

also i'm not sure about the settings error, it works without any addons (and with some enabled), so i think it's an addon conflict, im looking into it still.

FeedbackOnly

Wow this just amazing work guys

Vylaera

TiaFrye wrote: »

I was blown away by map's resolution, you guys are doing Divines' work here.

Thank you! The map is a whopping 8k resolution so you won't ever see any pixelation or blurriness like on the vanilla map.

For reference, the vanilla map is 2k, so my map is 4x higher fidelity than the vanilla map, and mine is all hand-drawn rather than generated by a program like (I have a hunch) the vanilla map is.

Thal_J

Small addon update: added the ability to only show major towns and cities' wayhshrines on the world map to lessen the wayshrine spam.





Also working on moving the player and group icons to match the new zone locations, so that the map is completely seamless.

TiaFrye

Thal_J wrote: »

Thal_J wrote: »

Also on the topic of feedback, I don't use ESO houses, and I have the No Thank You! addon that turns off unowned houses.

I've tried to place/move the base game ones and a couple of the DLC ones to where they should be, but it's likely that I've missed a lot.

If you download the in-development version and find that some of your houses are misplaced, please tell me the following info so I can fix them:

• the name of the house
• where the entrance is in-game (the zone and general area)
• where it should appear on the map, a screenshot of vanilla would be useful here too

Also note that we sometimes make special exceptions for houses by moving the icon on the map, or adding a new landmass to the map for them (Topal Hideaway for example has its own island in Topal Bay), so if it makes sense we can think about that too.

@TiaFrye thank you for the kind words!

if you give me the above info i can get that house fixed

also i'm not sure about the settings error, it works without any addons (and with some enabled), so i think it's an addon conflict, im looking into it still.

Hey, happy to help.

The house is - Enchanted Snow Globe
Entrance is near Kyne's Grove shrine, basically in New Life's tent.
Should appear here, opposed to what I've attached earlier.

Thal_J

@TiaFrye Fixed!



As for the settings errors, I think a library got updated or something, causing addons to error. (It happened without AccurateWorldMap turned on). The following ones I had to disable:

• Combat Indicator
• Wykkyd's Achievement Tracker
• Thurisaz's Guild Info

Thal_J

Another update from me, we're now focusing on wrapping things up on the addon for it to be released on/near High Isle's release date, depending on how things go. Breaux is focusing on adding the final polish to the map and I'm doing finishing up on the addon side.

First things first, here's what the map(s) currently look like:



The Western Tamriel / Eltheric Ocean map will be clickable via a circle button on the main Tamriel map, as mentioned previously.

Main reason I wanted to post this update is something I've been struggling with on the addon side for quite a while now - moving the player's location to match where it should be on the map. This part will be a bit technical, but I'll include some pretty pictures to make up for it.

The addon in its previous state before was more or less a texture replacer but with moved wayshrine icons, the player didn't actually move. In practical terms, you could be standing in the middle of Eastmarch, but visually appear in the Velothi mountains on our map, because the player location was still where vanilla's map was. In previous update posts I always moved to furthest east part of Eastmarch in the game so that the player would visually appear inside the zone, to hide this fact.

Quick comparison:

Vanilla:


AccurateWorldMap:


The irony of having the addon being called "Accurate" worldmap, and then having the player's location be very inaccurate wasn't lost on me, but due to several technical reasons I wasn't able to pull it off. It was looking like this would be how the addon would be released, with incorrect player tracking.

But then I networked with the authors of two popular addon libraries, LibZone and LibGPS, and was involved in a patch for both of them to allow me to get the location data that is needed to make player tracking work.

After a lot of back and forth, and lots of maths, the result is this:

Standing at Kynesgrove wayshrine in Eastmarch


Standing nearby Stormhold in Shadowfen (Player is correctly below the Shadowfen gap)


Standing inside Daggerfall whilst looking at the Eltheric Map (Player tracking works in the Eltheric Map too)

I am super happy to get this finally working, as it was the main thing left stopping this addon from being a seamless world map replacer. The goal was to "install and forget" - that there'd be nothing to take you out of the experience. That's done now, with a small caveat.

Those patches I mentioned before are still making their way through, so depending on timings, AccurateWorldMap may still launch without correct player tracking, but I've set it up so that when they update, AccurateWorldMap should have its player tracking feature turned on automatically.

Finally, here's some bonus screenshots as a reward for reading this big update post:

Vanilla vs AWM zone movement offset difference:

seecodenotgames

Thal_J wrote: »

Another update from me, we're now focusing on wrapping things up on the addon for it to be released on/near High Isle's release date, depending on how things go. Breaux is focusing on adding the final polish to the map and I'm doing finishing up on the addon side.

First things first, here's what the map(s) currently look like:

What happened to north west Summerset and almost all of Glenumbra?

Thal_J

seecodenotgames wrote: »

What happened to north west Summerset and almost all of Glenumbra?

What you're seeing is the Eltheric map overlaid on top of the Tamriel map in Photoshop just for demonstration - Tamriel map hasn't changed.

Since the Eltheric Map is a separate map, the landmass is coloured differently to indicate that you can't click on Summerset / High Rock because it's on the Tamriel map, you have to click on the Tamriel circle icon to go back to the Tamriel map to access those. It's also why there's no wayshrines there, when there is in Tamriel.

Glenumbra looks like as you would expect in the main Tamriel map - nothing's changed there.

cmetzger93

I am honestly more excited about this addon releasing than the new update. Thank you two so much!

WiseSky

at least in the game once you take it out it looks better

Vylaera

Small update post, nothing too major to report today

Foremost, I changed my forum name because I hated my old one. Only took me 3 short months to come up with a new alias I actually like (I'm extremely picky lol)

Also, I reworked a few things on the map. Notably, I added the island of Caecilly off the coast of Glenumbra, which exists in lore but for some reason isn't in game. Caecilly eventually gets sucked off the map and into Dagon's Deadlands, but that hasn't happened yet in-universe, so it should still be there. I also made some adjustments to skyrim's coastline according to TES V, mostly just adding a few islands and redrawing the coastline to account for where Dawnstar's bay is supposed to be. And finally, I slightly tweaked the bottom of Summerset to make it less lopsided. No major changes were made and you probably wouldn't have noticed it unless I pointed it out, but it bothered me greatly.

Also today is my brithday! I'm 23 now, so it won't be long before I'm finding myself a retirement home and after that going to be with the Lord. lol

Thank you all for the support and the feedback so far for this addon - we are getting very close to release and I'm like 99% sure we'll have it out and ready to download for the release of High Isle.

vsrs_au

Awesome job, both of you! Has there been any feedback from ZOS about this mapping addon? I'd be surprised if they'd never read this thread, given its current size.

Vylaera

vsrs_au wrote: »

Awesome job, both of you! Has there been any feedback from ZOS about this mapping addon? I'd be surprised if they'd never read this thread, given its current size.

Thank you! Forum moderators read through everything to make sure rules are getting enforced so they definitely have read it, but there has not been a comment thus far, no.

It may be because I was initially kinda subtweeting ZOS for getting the map wrong and opened up the threads in a sort-of hostile way, but I've since cleaned a lot of that up because a lot of people trash on on ZOS for a lot of things and I'd rather not add to the chorus, especially when part of the goal of this addon is to get ZOS to see it and act on it by fixing the vanilla map. Same premise as treating fast food workers with respect because being an arse will get your food spat on. It's also just human decency.

WiseSky

Vylaera wrote: »

Small update post, nothing too major to report today

Foremost, I changed my forum name because I hated my old one. Only took me 3 short months to come up with a new alias I actually like (I'm extremely picky lol)

Also, I reworked a few things on the map. Notably, I added the island of Caecilly off the coast of Glenumbra, which exists in lore but for some reason isn't in game. Caecilly eventually gets sucked off the map and into Dagon's Deadlands, but that hasn't happened yet in-universe, so it should still be there. I also made some adjustments to skyrim's coastline according to TES V, mostly just adding a few islands and redrawing the coastline to account for where Dawnstar's bay is supposed to be. And finally, I slightly tweaked the bottom of Summerset to make it less lopsided. No major changes were made and you probably wouldn't have noticed it unless I pointed it out, but it bothered me greatly.

Also today is my brithday! I'm 23 now, so it won't be long before I'm finding myself a retirement home and after that going to be with the Lord. lol

Thank you all for the support and the feedback so far for this addon - we are getting very close to release and I'm like 99% sure we'll have it out and ready to download for the release of High Isle.

happy to see this endeavor come to life

JobooAGS

Vylaera wrote: »

Small update post, nothing too major to report today

Foremost, I changed my forum name because I hated my old one. Only took me 3 short months to come up with a new alias I actually like (I'm extremely picky lol)

Also, I reworked a few things on the map. Notably, I added the island of Caecilly off the coast of Glenumbra, which exists in lore but for some reason isn't in game. Caecilly eventually gets sucked off the map and into Dagon's Deadlands, but that hasn't happened yet in-universe, so it should still be there. I also made some adjustments to skyrim's coastline according to TES V, mostly just adding a few islands and redrawing the coastline to account for where Dawnstar's bay is supposed to be. And finally, I slightly tweaked the bottom of Summerset to make it less lopsided. No major changes were made and you probably wouldn't have noticed it unless I pointed it out, but it bothered me greatly.

Also today is my brithday! I'm 23 now, so it won't be long before I'm finding myself a retirement home and after that going to be with the Lord. lol

Thank you all for the support and the feedback so far for this addon - we are getting very close to release and I'm like 99% sure we'll have it out and ready to download for the release of High Isle.

This will be on minion right?

Vylaera

JobooAGS wrote: »

Vylaera wrote: »

Small update post, nothing too major to report today

Foremost, I changed my forum name because I hated my old one. Only took me 3 short months to come up with a new alias I actually like (I'm extremely picky lol)

Also, I reworked a few things on the map. Notably, I added the island of Caecilly off the coast of Glenumbra, which exists in lore but for some reason isn't in game. Caecilly eventually gets sucked off the map and into Dagon's Deadlands, but that hasn't happened yet in-universe, so it should still be there. I also made some adjustments to skyrim's coastline according to TES V, mostly just adding a few islands and redrawing the coastline to account for where Dawnstar's bay is supposed to be. And finally, I slightly tweaked the bottom of Summerset to make it less lopsided. No major changes were made and you probably wouldn't have noticed it unless I pointed it out, but it bothered me greatly.

Also today is my brithday! I'm 23 now, so it won't be long before I'm finding myself a retirement home and after that going to be with the Lord. lol

Thank you all for the support and the feedback so far for this addon - we are getting very close to release and I'm like 99% sure we'll have it out and ready to download for the release of High Isle.

This will be on minion right?

Minion just fetches from ESO UI, I'm prety sure, so yes. We're uploading to NexusMods and ESO UI

NeuroticPixels

Vylaera wrote: »

We're uploading to NexusMods and ESO UI

Any ETA for when? I’m interested to see which of my 244 addons (count includes libraries) this map addon conflicts with.

Vylaera

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Vylaera wrote: »

We're uploading to NexusMods and ESO UI

Any ETA for when? I’m interested to see which of my 244 addons (count includes libraries) this map addon conflicts with.

We're currently looking to get this out in an official Beta test on Nexusmods (full release will be on both Nexus and ESO UI but I already made the nexus page so it's easier to test it there) as early as this weekend if we can get everything that needs to get done, done.

I'll update everyone here and possibly make a new thread entirely when the beta is out for testing.

Tiedän

Thal_J wrote: »

Another update from me, we're now focusing on wrapping things up on the addon for it to be released on/near High Isle's release date, depending on how things go. Breaux is focusing on adding the final polish to the map and I'm doing finishing up on the addon side.

First things first, here's what the map(s) currently look like:



The Western Tamriel / Eltheric Ocean map will be clickable via a circle button on the main Tamriel map, as mentioned previously.

Main reason I wanted to post this update is something I've been struggling with on the addon side for quite a while now - moving the player's location to match where it should be on the map. This part will be a bit technical, but I'll include some pretty pictures to make up for it.

The addon in its previous state before was more or less a texture replacer but with moved wayshrine icons, the player didn't actually move. In practical terms, you could be standing in the middle of Eastmarch, but visually appear in the Velothi mountains on our map, because the player location was still where vanilla's map was. In previous update posts I always moved to furthest east part of Eastmarch in the game so that the player would visually appear inside the zone, to hide this fact.

Quick comparison:

Vanilla:


AccurateWorldMap:


The irony of having the addon being called "Accurate" worldmap, and then having the player's location be very inaccurate wasn't lost on me, but due to several technical reasons I wasn't able to pull it off. It was looking like this would be how the addon would be released, with incorrect player tracking.

But then I networked with the authors of two popular addon libraries, LibZone and LibGPS, and was involved in a patch for both of them to allow me to get the location data that is needed to make player tracking work.

After a lot of back and forth, and lots of maths, the result is this:

Standing at Kynesgrove wayshrine in Eastmarch


Standing nearby Stormhold in Shadowfen (Player is correctly below the Shadowfen gap)


Standing inside Daggerfall whilst looking at the Eltheric Map (Player tracking works in the Eltheric Map too)

I am super happy to get this finally working, as it was the main thing left stopping this addon from being a seamless world map replacer. The goal was to "install and forget" - that there'd be nothing to take you out of the experience. That's done now, with a small caveat.

Those patches I mentioned before are still making their way through, so depending on timings, AccurateWorldMap may still launch without correct player tracking, but I've set it up so that when they update, AccurateWorldMap should have its player tracking feature turned on automatically.

Finally, here's some bonus screenshots as a reward for reading this big update post:

Vanilla vs AWM zone movement offset difference:

I’ve been following this thread for a while now and wow…i’m at a loss for words - this is absolutely AMAZING work and dedication to getting the world map just perfect. Massive kudos to both of you for taking such a massive endeavor into your own hands. The world map accuracy and character tracking has been one of the things that’s bugged me the most about this game since beta and this truly makes a world of difference. Thank you both @Vylaera and @Thal_J for all the time and effort you’ve put in into making this a reality. ZOS should really hire you both as official cartographers for this game, you’ve got such great attention to detail👍🏻👌🏻

The_one_i_seek

Vylaera wrote: »

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Vylaera wrote: »

We're uploading to NexusMods and ESO UI

Any ETA for when? I’m interested to see which of my 244 addons (count includes libraries) this map addon conflicts with.

We're currently looking to get this out in an official Beta test on Nexusmods (full release will be on both Nexus and ESO UI but I already made the nexus page so it's easier to test it there) as early as this weekend if we can get everything that needs to get done, done.

I'll update everyone here and possibly make a new thread entirely when the beta is out for testing.

nexus is dead long ago especially for ESO addons
use ESOUI and dont bother about nexus at all

Thal_J

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

nexus is dead long ago especially for ESO addons
use ESOUI and dont bother about nexus at all

We have to make a public version on ESOUI before we can make the page, so we don't want to publish it there for a beta test before it's 100% ready.

Vylaera

We have just released the official Open Beta test for Accurate World Map!

Come check out the new forum thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/606319/accurate-world-map-a-map-correction-addon-is-now-out-for-beta-testing/p1?new=1

Thal_J

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Vylaera wrote: »

We're uploading to NexusMods and ESO UI

Any ETA for when? I’m interested to see which of my 244 addons (count includes libraries) this map addon conflicts with.

@NeuroticPixels Hi, you asked for an ETA, the beta ia available to download at the link below

Vylaera wrote: »

We have just released the official Open Beta test for Accurate World Map!

Come check out the new forum thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/606319/accurate-world-map-a-map-correction-addon-is-now-out-for-beta-testing/p1?new=1

Please test it with your large number of addons so we can get any incompatibilities ironed out before launch, cheers.

phantasmalD

Imo the markings of significant bodies of waters is pretty inconsistent.
Like you've drawn all offshoots of the Niben river (Panther, Corbolo, Larsius, etc rivers) or that little river mouth west of Murkmire or the arguably minor rivers in Vvardenfell, but then didn't mark Skyrim's extensive waterways and lakes (Karth, Darkwater, White river; Lake Ilinalta, Geir, Honrich). The northern rivers of Auridon, the massive river of Deshaan or the lower river in Blackwood (Onkobra?). And so on.

Painstakingly drawn every little fracture of the coast of Vvardenfell, to even greater detail than the vanilla, but didn't gave the same treatment to Aldcroft & Hag Fen in Glenumbra or all the marshy areas of Black Marsh or Hjaalmarch.

Fully marked many important bays but not the Daggerfall one.

Most small islet are marked accurately, like Silsailen, Mathiisen or even Southpoint, but there are some that are still drawn as part of the bigger blob; like Forsaken Citadel in Quin'rawl.

This is mostly nitpicking tho, the map is still better than vanilla. Even if I disagree with Shadowfen.