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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »nightstrike wrote: »@jle30303 I managed to fill the holes in your data using the very useful Twitter stream of @BenevolentBowd .
There are discrepancies between those two days sources where they overlap, which means filling in the holes of one with those from the Twitter feed may not be accurate.
I fixed the data for the discrepancies in the first couple days. I then threw out the first 4 days, because there were no weeklies associated with them.
If there's any doubt about a downward trend, well... numbers don't lie.
EDIT: raw data below:Date Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 250 55.71428571 6/22 15 250 50.71428571 6/23 20 250 55.71428571 6/24 20 250 55.71428571 6/25 15 250 50.71428571 6/26 25 250 60.71428571 6/27 20 250 55.71428571 6/28 15 200 43.57142857 6/29 20 200 48.57142857 6/30 20 200 48.57142857 7/1 15 200 43.57142857 7/2 20 200 48.57142857 7/3 25 200 53.57142857 7/4 30 200 58.57142857 7/5 15 200 43.57142857 7/6 20 200 48.57142857 7/7 15 200 43.57142857 7/8 20 200 48.57142857 7/9 10 200 38.57142857 7/10 15 200 43.57142857 7/11 15 200 43.57142857 7/12 15 180 40.71428571 7/13 15 180 40.71428571 7/14 25 180 50.71428571 7/15 20 180 45.71428571 7/16 10 180 35.71428571 7/17 15 180 40.71428571 7/18 15 180 40.71428571 7/19 25 225 57.14285714 7/20 15 225 47.14285714 7/21 10 225 42.14285714 7/22 25 225 57.14285714 7/23 10 225 42.14285714 7/24 15 225 47.14285714 7/25 15 225 47.14285714 7/26 20 200 48.57142857 7/27 15 200 43.57142857 7/28 15 200 43.57142857 7/29 20 200 48.57142857 7/30 15 200 43.57142857 7/31 10 200 38.57142857 8/1 15 200 43.57142857 8/2 15 180 40.71428571 8/3 10 180 35.71428571 8/4 15 180 40.71428571 8/5 15 180 40.71428571 8/6 20 180 45.71428571 8/7 10 180 35.71428571 8/8 15 180 40.714285716
The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
Edited by zvavi on August 9, 2021 3:01AM3 -
nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
You are correct! Thanks for the fix. Graph:
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BenevolentBowd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There does appear to downward trend. To date the charts exclude the other endeavor rewards like gold and transmutes, but a quick peek at my data shows there are around the same number 15 Seal days without additional rewards as those with 15 Seal days with additional rewards. (6:7)Megaservers: Xbox NA
Website:BenevolentBowd.ca, "Helping Others by Helping Others"
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Toxic_Hemlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭160 seals for this week, no extras. Dirt easy (camp a group dungeon for half an hour) even if free to play. But if I'm sure this is the worse week. Oh well, good thing I save all my seals till I can afford the apex mount, anyone that spent theirs already is gonna be kicking themselves hard.1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nightstrike wrote: »nightstrike wrote: »@jle30303 I managed to fill the holes in your data using the very useful Twitter stream of @BenevolentBowd .
There are discrepancies between those two days sources where they overlap, which means filling in the holes of one with those from the Twitter feed may not be accurate.
I fixed the data for the discrepancies in the first couple days. I then threw out the first 4 days, because there were no weeklies associated with them.
If there's any doubt about a downward trend, well... numbers don't lie.
EDIT: raw data below:Date Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 250 55.71428571 6/22 15 250 50.71428571 6/23 20 250 55.71428571 6/24 20 250 55.71428571 6/25 15 250 50.71428571 6/26 25 250 60.71428571 6/27 20 250 55.71428571 6/28 15 200 43.57142857 6/29 20 200 48.57142857 6/30 20 200 48.57142857 7/1 15 200 43.57142857 7/2 20 200 48.57142857 7/3 25 200 53.57142857 7/4 30 200 58.57142857 7/5 15 200 43.57142857 7/6 20 200 48.57142857 7/7 15 200 43.57142857 7/8 20 200 48.57142857 7/9 10 200 38.57142857 7/10 15 200 43.57142857 7/11 15 200 43.57142857 7/12 15 180 40.71428571 7/13 15 180 40.71428571 7/14 25 180 50.71428571 7/15 20 180 45.71428571 7/16 10 180 35.71428571 7/17 15 180 40.71428571 7/18 15 180 40.71428571 7/19 25 225 57.14285714 7/20 15 225 47.14285714 7/21 10 225 42.14285714 7/22 25 225 57.14285714 7/23 10 225 42.14285714 7/24 15 225 47.14285714 7/25 15 225 47.14285714 7/26 20 200 48.57142857 7/27 15 200 43.57142857 7/28 15 200 43.57142857 7/29 20 200 48.57142857 7/30 15 200 43.57142857 7/31 10 200 38.57142857 8/1 15 200 43.57142857 8/2 15 180 40.71428571 8/3 10 180 35.71428571 8/4 15 180 40.71428571 8/5 15 180 40.71428571 8/6 20 180 45.71428571 8/7 10 180 35.71428571 8/8 15 180 40.714285716
The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
True. That would change the weekly totals to the following:
Week 1 (21/06 to 27/06): 655
Week 2 (28/06 to 04/07): 635
Week 3 (05/07 to 11/07): 530
Week 4 (12/07 to 18/07): 525
Week 5 (19/07 to 25/07): 570
Week 6 (26/07 to 01/08): 530
Week 7 (02/08 to 08/08): 480
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✭✭✭✭✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »I strongly dislike Endeavors.
I "invested" 150k crowns into a mount I really, really wanted... Now people will get it for Endeavors it almost feels like I've been scammed. If I knew this was what the future held I would never had spent 150k crowns trying to get that mount.
[snip]
How is it a scam? He paid 150k crowns to get a mount and received it. They have not deleted his mount.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on August 9, 2021 10:24AM1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Rasande_Robin wrote: »I strongly dislike Endeavors.
I "invested" 150k crowns into a mount I really, really wanted... Now people will get it for Endeavors it almost feels like I've been scammed. If I knew this was what the future held I would never had spent 150k crowns trying to get that mount.
[snip]
How is it a scam? He paid 150k crowns to get a mount and received it. They have not deleted his mount.
To buy 21K Crowns (their "best" offer at the moment) costs £109.99 in the money of my country.
150K crowns is 7.1428... times this amount.
That comes out to a grand total of about £785.64 of monetary value converted into Crowns to buy this mount... and it was not guaranteed that the player would receive this mount even after they spent this much.
[snip]
[edited to remove quote & for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on August 9, 2021 10:26AM3 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Rasande_Robin wrote: »I strongly dislike Endeavors.
I "invested" 150k crowns into a mount I really, really wanted... Now people will get it for Endeavors it almost feels like I've been scammed. If I knew this was what the future held I would never had spent 150k crowns trying to get that mount.
[snip]
How is it a scam? He paid 150k crowns to get a mount and received it. They have not deleted his mount.
To buy 21K Crowns (their "best" offer at the moment) costs £109.99 in the money of my country.
150K crowns is 7.1428... times this amount.
That comes out to a grand total of about £785.64 of monetary value converted into Crowns to buy this mount... and it was not guaranteed that the player would receive this mount even after they spent this much.
[snip]
That's called gambling. Unless you think that all games of chance are scam, that's not really reasonable.
He spent that much knowing how it works and ZOS is upfront about how it works. And he got exactly what he paid for.
A scam means they lied somehow.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on August 9, 2021 10:27AM3 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »nightstrike wrote: »@jle30303 I managed to fill the holes in your data using the very useful Twitter stream of @BenevolentBowd .
There are discrepancies between those two days sources where they overlap, which means filling in the holes of one with those from the Twitter feed may not be accurate.
I fixed the data for the discrepancies in the first couple days. I then threw out the first 4 days, because there were no weeklies associated with them.
If there's any doubt about a downward trend, well... numbers don't lie.
EDIT: raw data below:Date Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 250 55.71428571 6/22 15 250 50.71428571 6/23 20 250 55.71428571 6/24 20 250 55.71428571 6/25 15 250 50.71428571 6/26 25 250 60.71428571 6/27 20 250 55.71428571 6/28 15 200 43.57142857 6/29 20 200 48.57142857 6/30 20 200 48.57142857 7/1 15 200 43.57142857 7/2 20 200 48.57142857 7/3 25 200 53.57142857 7/4 30 200 58.57142857 7/5 15 200 43.57142857 7/6 20 200 48.57142857 7/7 15 200 43.57142857 7/8 20 200 48.57142857 7/9 10 200 38.57142857 7/10 15 200 43.57142857 7/11 15 200 43.57142857 7/12 15 180 40.71428571 7/13 15 180 40.71428571 7/14 25 180 50.71428571 7/15 20 180 45.71428571 7/16 10 180 35.71428571 7/17 15 180 40.71428571 7/18 15 180 40.71428571 7/19 25 225 57.14285714 7/20 15 225 47.14285714 7/21 10 225 42.14285714 7/22 25 225 57.14285714 7/23 10 225 42.14285714 7/24 15 225 47.14285714 7/25 15 225 47.14285714 7/26 20 200 48.57142857 7/27 15 200 43.57142857 7/28 15 200 43.57142857 7/29 20 200 48.57142857 7/30 15 200 43.57142857 7/31 10 200 38.57142857 8/1 15 200 43.57142857 8/2 15 180 40.71428571 8/3 10 180 35.71428571 8/4 15 180 40.71428571 8/5 15 180 40.71428571 8/6 20 180 45.71428571 8/7 10 180 35.71428571 8/8 15 180 40.714285716
The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
True. That would change the weekly totals to the following:
Week 1 (21/06 to 27/06): 655
Week 2 (28/06 to 04/07): 635
Week 3 (05/07 to 11/07): 530
Week 4 (12/07 to 18/07): 525
Week 5 (19/07 to 25/07): 570
Week 6 (26/07 to 01/08): 530
Week 7 (02/08 to 08/08): 480
It decreases the impact of lower Weekly values, but increases the impact of lower Daily values.
I say we can remove first 2 weeks as it was their bait, and review the data again in a month.0 -
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✭✭✭Seals keep getting nerfs... Why ZOS? Why?
"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest | Eternal Champions | Legacy | Tamriel Melting Pot [PS][NA] 2300 CP
- SweetTrolls | Spring Rose | Daggerfall Royal Legion | Tinnitus Delux [PC][EU] 2525 CP
- Bacon Rats | Silverlight Brotherhood | Canis Root Tea Party | Vincula Doloris [PC][NA] 2300 CP
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✭✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »nightstrike wrote: »@jle30303 I managed to fill the holes in your data using the very useful Twitter stream of @BenevolentBowd .
There are discrepancies between those two days sources where they overlap, which means filling in the holes of one with those from the Twitter feed may not be accurate.
I fixed the data for the discrepancies in the first couple days. I then threw out the first 4 days, because there were no weeklies associated with them.
If there's any doubt about a downward trend, well... numbers don't lie.
EDIT: raw data below:Date Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 250 55.71428571 6/22 15 250 50.71428571 6/23 20 250 55.71428571 6/24 20 250 55.71428571 6/25 15 250 50.71428571 6/26 25 250 60.71428571 6/27 20 250 55.71428571 6/28 15 200 43.57142857 6/29 20 200 48.57142857 6/30 20 200 48.57142857 7/1 15 200 43.57142857 7/2 20 200 48.57142857 7/3 25 200 53.57142857 7/4 30 200 58.57142857 7/5 15 200 43.57142857 7/6 20 200 48.57142857 7/7 15 200 43.57142857 7/8 20 200 48.57142857 7/9 10 200 38.57142857 7/10 15 200 43.57142857 7/11 15 200 43.57142857 7/12 15 180 40.71428571 7/13 15 180 40.71428571 7/14 25 180 50.71428571 7/15 20 180 45.71428571 7/16 10 180 35.71428571 7/17 15 180 40.71428571 7/18 15 180 40.71428571 7/19 25 225 57.14285714 7/20 15 225 47.14285714 7/21 10 225 42.14285714 7/22 25 225 57.14285714 7/23 10 225 42.14285714 7/24 15 225 47.14285714 7/25 15 225 47.14285714 7/26 20 200 48.57142857 7/27 15 200 43.57142857 7/28 15 200 43.57142857 7/29 20 200 48.57142857 7/30 15 200 43.57142857 7/31 10 200 38.57142857 8/1 15 200 43.57142857 8/2 15 180 40.71428571 8/3 10 180 35.71428571 8/4 15 180 40.71428571 8/5 15 180 40.71428571 8/6 20 180 45.71428571 8/7 10 180 35.71428571 8/8 15 180 40.714285716
The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
True. That would change the weekly totals to the following:
Week 1 (21/06 to 27/06): 655
Week 2 (28/06 to 04/07): 635
Week 3 (05/07 to 11/07): 530
Week 4 (12/07 to 18/07): 525
Week 5 (19/07 to 25/07): 570
Week 6 (26/07 to 01/08): 530
Week 7 (02/08 to 08/08): 480
It decreases the impact of lower Weekly values, but increases the impact of lower Daily values.
I say we can remove first 2 weeks as it was their bait, and review the data again in a month.
Perhaps as we get more data. For now, it's useful to note that the first two weeks do appear to have been bait.
Or at least that the initial high values help create the impression that ZOS is lowering amounts over 2 months more dramatically than might be the case if we removed them now.1 -
nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »ZOS is upfront about how it works.
Are they, though? They don't tell you the drop chance of the items in the crates, and there's no guarantee that drop rates aren't dynamically adjusted based on other data about your account.
Interestingly, part of Microsoft's plan for dealing with the questionable nature of these is to require that drop rates be published. Maybe I missed it and ESO did publish rates somewhere.
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✭nightstrike wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »ZOS is upfront about how it works.
Are they, though? They don't tell you the drop chance of the items in the crates, and there's no guarantee that drop rates aren't dynamically adjusted based on other data about your account.
Interestingly, part of Microsoft's plan for dealing with the questionable nature of these is to require that drop rates be published. Maybe I missed it and ESO did publish rates somewhere.
Here are the drop rates for the crates (minus the radiant apex ones, there is no data for that appently)
Reward Groups:
-Percentage Chance-
Common Rewards
98%
Fine Rewards
72%
Superior Rewards
86%
Epic Rewards
21%
Legendary Rewards
14%
Apex Rewards
2.0%
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?Edited by Wolfkeks on August 9, 2021 3:09PM
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »That's called gambling. Unless you think that all games of chance are scam, that's not really reasonable.
Choosing my words very carefully here.
I personally believe that any mechanism in a game that can have money spent on it should be devoid of RNG.
If companies are going to have microtransactions in games, then I believe that they should be for specified amounts of currency. Whether that currency is in-game currency, or RL currency.6 -
TwoPercentMDSoul ShrivenIt's a shame to see the number of seals consistently drop. As several have said, the seals really act as a buffer for ZOS when the inevitable loot crate ban comes around for games. It's gambling not a scam, but it's also predatory and a known vice for many people. Bringing that into play to a younger audience is not going to hold up long term. However because they make insane money for gaming companies, having a way to get crates for "free" is a way to hopefully avoid any potential legal issues.
Like anything else, as long as the game is making money there's motivation to change anything.0 -
nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭Ah, ah so they are complying then. That's a new change, though. That article is from June. It would be interesting to compare to the results of the crown create tracker add on.
That also says that you are guaranteed at least one non trash drop per crate. That's also new, and also in compliance with the Microsoft policy.
I'm a little baffled that a company like Microsoft actually brought something beneficial to the table. I guess all that time spent in court over the decades had its effect.Warning: This signature is tiny!1 -
CSose✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »The graph is well made but you forgot to multiply daily by 3. Daily values should be higher because of that. (Even though the line might end up more steep because of it)Apologies didn't manage to make a graph out of it cause on phone. I also stole your raw data.
Date Daily 3Daily Weekly Endeavor / Day 6/21 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/22 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/23 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/24 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/25 15 45 250 80.71428571 6/26 25 75 250 110.7142857 6/27 20 60 250 95.71428571 6/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 6/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 6/30 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/2 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/3 25 75 200 103.5714286 7/4 30 90 200 118.5714286 7/5 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/6 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/7 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/8 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/9 10 30 200 58.57142857 7/10 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/11 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/12 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/13 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/14 25 75 180 100.7142857 7/15 20 60 180 85.71428571 7/16 10 30 180 55.71428571 7/17 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/18 15 45 180 70.71428571 7/19 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/20 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/21 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/22 25 75 225 107.1428571 7/23 10 30 225 62.14285714 7/24 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/25 15 45 225 77.14285714 7/26 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/27 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/28 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/29 20 60 200 88.57142857 7/30 15 45 200 73.57142857 7/31 10 30 200 58.57142857 8/1 15 45 200 73.57142857 8/2 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/3 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/4 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/5 15 45 180 70.71428571 8/6 20 60 180 85.71428571 8/7 10 30 180 55.71428571 8/8 15 45 180 70.71428571
You are correct! Thanks for the fix. Graph:
Great data collecting there. Yes, the value keeps getting lower, and the frequency of tasks that require buying newer chapters keeps going up.2 -
nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭TwoPercentMD wrote: »having a way to get crates for "free" is a way to hopefully avoid any potential legal issues.
Games get away with crates not fitting the legal definition of gambling (and thus requiring all of the accompanying regulation) because of a loophole whereby to be considered gambling, the player has to be able to win something that has market value. You can't sell the contents of a crate, and so from a legal perspective, they have zero value.
Getting crates for free doesn't change this.
Of course, all of the above is just from the US legal standpoint. Other countries are different.Warning: This signature is tiny!1 -
nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭Here are the drop rates for the crates (minus the radiant apex ones, there is no data for that appently)
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?
Wait, I'm confused. This adds up to 293%. How's that work?Warning: This signature is tiny!0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »That also says that you are guaranteed at least one non trash drop per crate. That's also new, and also in compliance with the Microsoft policy.
It's been like that since day 1 of Crown Crates.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭nightstrike wrote: »Here are the drop rates for the crates (minus the radiant apex ones, there is no data for that appently)
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?
Wait, I'm confused. This adds up to 293%. How's that work?
I think those are the odds calculated over all four draws of getting one item in that rarity level , but I'm not certain.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nightstrike wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »ZOS is upfront about how it works.
Are they, though? They don't tell you the drop chance of the items in the crates, and there's no guarantee that drop rates aren't dynamically adjusted based on other data about your account.
Interestingly, part of Microsoft's plan for dealing with the questionable nature of these is to require that drop rates be published. Maybe I missed it and ESO did publish rates somewhere.
Here are the drop rates for the crates (minus the radiant apex ones, there is no data for that appently)
Reward Groups:
-Percentage Chance-
Common Rewards
98%
Fine Rewards
72%
Superior Rewards
86%
Epic Rewards
21%
Legendary Rewards
14%
Apex Rewards
2.0%
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?
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jle30303✭✭✭✭✭
✭And this week, so far, has been the lowest yet, for the weekly, with 160, breaking the record of last week, which broke the record of the previous week.
Monday - 15
Tuesday - 20
Wednesday - 10
Thursday - 15
Friday -
Saturday -
Sunday -
Weekly - 160.
I have also added all known previous data to my previous post on the matter. Draw from it what inferences you will.Edited by jle30303 on August 13, 2021 3:18AM1 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭nightstrike wrote: »Wait, I'm confused. This adds up to 293%. How's that work?
There are 4 cards in a crate. Sometimes you get 5th bonus card (roughly in 1 of 5 crates).
To check real statistics collected from actual players with an addon try https://www.crowncrates.com/
Let's take latest Iron Atronach crates as an example:
You get 4 (sometimes 5) cards.
The chances of Normal (white) item are 97.7% so you almost certainly get one poison or potion per crate
The chances of Fine (Green) item are 71.9% so you likely get dye or food of soul gem
The chances of Superior (Blue) drop are 86.2% so you very likely get pet or body marking or armor style page
The chances of Epic (Purple) drop are 21.0% so you might get pet, emote of armor style page from one of 5 crates
The chances of Legendary (Golden) drop are 14.5% so you might get mount of weapon style or costume in one of 7 crates
Apex mounts drop chance is about 2% so you get apex mount with 50/50 chance after 34 crates with 80/20 after 80 crates
Radiant apex drop rate is 0.25% so for 50/50 chance to get it you need 277 crates, for 80/20 chance 642 crates
In most of cases you get White-Green-Blue-Blue but sometimes Green or Blue might be replaced by Purple or better
you get 4 or 5 items from a single crate: this is why chances of item category do not sum up to 100% you get multiple items.
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sunday update to the available weekly data:
Week 1 (21/06 to 27/06): 655
Week 2 (28/06 to 04/07): 635
Week 3 (05/07 to 11/07): 530
Week 4 (12/07 to 18/07): 525
Week 5 (19/07 to 25/07): 570
Week 6 (26/07 to 01/08): 530
Week 7 (02/08 to 08/08): 480
Week 8: (09/08 to 15/08): 445
Yet another record breaking low...
The trend in combined seals/day continues:
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Rasande_Robin✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Rasande_Robin wrote: »I strongly dislike Endeavors.
I "invested" 150k crowns into a mount I really, really wanted... Now people will get it for Endeavors it almost feels like I've been scammed. If I knew this was what the future held I would never had spent 150k crowns trying to get that mount.
[snip]
How is it a scam? He paid 150k crowns to get a mount and received it. They have not deleted his mount.
To buy 21K Crowns (their "best" offer at the moment) costs £109.99 in the money of my country.
150K crowns is 7.1428... times this amount.
That comes out to a grand total of about £785.64 of monetary value converted into Crowns to buy this mount... and it was not guaranteed that the player would receive this mount even after they spent this much.
[snip]
That's called gambling. Unless you think that all games of chance are scam, that's not really reasonable.
He spent that much knowing how it works and ZOS is upfront about how it works. And he got exactly what he paid for.
A scam means they lied somehow.
[edited to remove quote]
Well... I guess withholding truths is not the same as a lie.PC/EU: Orcana "something"-stone4 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sunday update to the available weekly data:
Week 1 (21/06 to 27/06): 655
Week 2 (28/06 to 04/07): 635
Week 3 (05/07 to 11/07): 530
Week 4 (12/07 to 18/07): 525
Week 5 (19/07 to 25/07): 570
Week 6 (26/07 to 01/08): 530
Week 7 (02/08 to 08/08): 480
Week 8: (09/08 to 15/08): 445
Yet another record breaking low...
The trend in combined seals/day continues:
This week was extremly low compared to the first few,at this point they cant really give us less than this week.
The weekly one was low and the daily ones where 10 mostly or 15 on some days.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
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