Endeavors – lower and lower

Danikat

Jazraena wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

I didn't say they had been getting consistently lower.

I said that recently there have been more days with fewer seals (usually 10 or 15) than there were when the system was on the PTS or when it first released. Not that it's been getting consistently lower, just that there has been a change since the system was released.

Jazraena

There was no change. It's as random as it has been from Day 1, from 10 all the way up to 30, sometimes with extra rewards ontop, sometimes without.

bmnoble

I haven't been tracking them but I would assume it would balance out at the end of the month so we get a fixed amount.

Say for example in a week just with dailies, assuming 20 per daily 60 total a day = 420 over a week.

Just from the dailies they just rearrange what you get each day one day a tasks worth 10 another 15 another 20 another 25 to give you the illusion that your getting more on some days than other but in the end it will probably still end up with a total of 420.

Probably doing the same thing with the weekly's but over a month long period instead of a week, think about the weekly's that gave you 180, 200, 225 etc if you add them up over the month in total were probably getting a set amount of seals each month.

Now I haven't been keeping track of them but too me that is the most likely thing that is happening with them, probably some pattern to give the illusion its varied though.

starkerealm

Danikat wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

I didn't say they had been getting consistently lower.

I said that recently there have been more days with fewer seals (usually 10 or 15) than there were when the system was on the PTS or when it first released. Not that it's been getting consistently lower, just that there has been a change since the system was released.

Granted, I wasn't obsessed with it on the PTS, but I remember the intervals there being 20 for the weeklies and 3 for each daily... also, like 5 or 10 for those zone ones that got removed.

Kiralyn2000

Rukia541 wrote: »

You just gotta get FOMO out of your head, only do stuff you enjoy

FO76 aint got anything beat in any category.. worst game ever lol

Eh, you need to play some actually bad games.

(Is it flawed? Sure. But there's still a good bit of fun to be had, some great exploring, and some interesting lore & quests. Order of Mysteries was an excellent questline.)


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That said - yeah, don't feel so forced by "limited time".

(I also don't really see a huge connection between the Endeavor system, and FO76-style Battlepasses/Seasons. They've got more in common with our monthly login rewards. Endeavors is a currency-generator, not a time-limited thing.)

zharkovian

I enjoy the daily tasks, something to do while thinking about something to do and so far I have had a couple of nice, yet useless, rewards from the system. Rewards through seals of endevour, crown gems or crown crates are fun, but useless.

Orion_89

Jazraena wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

False? I log in everyday just to do the endeavors and I see the decreasing. There is no false information, only your unwillingness to face the truth.

JoDiMageio

Orion_89 wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

False? I log in everyday just to do the endeavors and I see the decreasing. There is no false information, only your unwillingness to face the truth.

I think this is more a case of confirmation bias than anything else.

@BenevolentBowd has a very comprehensive list of the endeavours and how many seals each one provides on their site, and even posts the daily endeavours and the number of seals that can be earned (a history would be cool, btw!! just like the other data that is being tracked).
http://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

Some days are higher, some days are lower, but in my experience, it hasn't been getting consistently lower; it varies, just as it was explained in the initial release articles. It's just easier to think it's getting lower, because we notice those days more because it frustrates us.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Iluvrien

Jazraena wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

From where are you getting your data? I would like to perform my own analysis.

Thanks.

Shantu

TempPlayer wrote: »

I said it before and I'm going say it again. The point of endeavor is not for you to get free stuff. The point of endeavor is to prepare an excuse when the gov start cracking down on lootbox as gambling. So it was never in their interest to make it easy for you to get free stuff. They will continue to test the water and lower the endeavor till someone get irritated enough to start a class-action lawsuit or get the gov involved.

I don't think ZOS is worried about government intervention or class action lawsuits. Microsoft is the boss now and this is why they are doing it (note Item 2):

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/for-everyone/responsible-gaming/loot-boxes/

WeerW3ir

I already said it from day one...

BenevolentBowd

Who dares summons the ESO Calendarmancer! Umm... I mean how can I help? @JoDiMageio

JoDiMageio wrote: »

Orion_89 wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

@BenevolentBowd has a very comprehensive list of the endeavours and how many seals each one provides on their site, and even posts the daily endeavours and the number of seals that can be earned (a history would be cool, btw!! just like the other data that is being tracked).
http://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

So far I have tracked nearly 50 days and 7 weeks of ESO Endeavor quests. The dailies have been consistently between 10 and 25 endeavors. The Weekly Endeavors have been fluctuating between 180 and 250. Note: the 250 was only recorded once and was the first one I recorded.

In the future, I'm going to clean up my endeavors list and publish history of the Endeavors like I do for the Golden Vendor and Luxury Furniture vendor.

JoDiMageio

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Who dares summons the ESO Calendarmancer! Umm... I mean how can I help? @JoDiMageio

JoDiMageio wrote: »

@BenevolentBowd has a very comprehensive list of the endeavours and how many seals each one provides on their site, and even posts the daily endeavours and the number of seals that can be earned (a history would be cool, btw!! just like the other data that is being tracked).
http://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

So far I have tracked nearly 50 days and 7 weeks of ESO Endeavor quests. The dailies have been consistently between 10 and 25 endeavors. The Weekly Endeavors have been fluctuating between 180 and 250. Note: the 250 was only recorded once and was the first one I recorded.

In the future, I'm going to clean up my endeavors list and publish history of the Endeavors like I do for the Golden Vendor and Luxury Furniture vendor.

I was simply praising your awesomeness!! 😁 You consistenly provide the community with a lot of info (and data for us stats nerds!), which I for one appreciate immensely!!

And I am quite pleased to see that there will be data for endeavours, too, that will be available. I searched for quite some time and could not find a source that had compiled the data.

Might put to rest some of this conversation around the number of seals that are offered.

Wolf_Eye

I'm just frustrated because I'm almost there to get the fire pixie pet. And now it just feels like ZOS is purposely putting it out of my reach.

No, I know that's just a coincidence, but it's still frustrating.

At this rate, I almost fear the crown crates will leave before I even reach the required 3600 seals.

Orion_89

JoDiMageio wrote: »

Orion_89 wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

False? I log in everyday just to do the endeavors and I see the decreasing. There is no false information, only your unwillingness to face the truth.

@BenevolentBowd has a very comprehensive list of the endeavours and how many seals each one provides on their site, and even posts the daily endeavours and the number of seals that can be earned (a history would be cool, btw!! just like the other data that is being tracked).
http://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

This guy does a noble cause, but I still don't see the statistics that disprove my observations. I see the decrease – I speak the decrease. No offense.

Iarao

Ashryn wrote: »

I suspected that it would get lowered over time unfortunately!

yeah. and mirri isnt dropping her bags as much, either.

BenevolentBowd

Orion_89 wrote: »

JoDiMageio wrote: »

Orion_89 wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

False? I log in everyday just to do the endeavors and I see the decreasing. There is no false information, only your unwillingness to face the truth.

@BenevolentBowd has a very comprehensive list of the endeavours and how many seals each one provides on their site, and even posts the daily endeavours and the number of seals that can be earned (a history would be cool, btw!! just like the other data that is being tracked).
http://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

This guy does a noble cause, but I still don't see the statistics that disprove my observations. I see the decrease – I speak the decrease. No offense.

At the moment, the sample size is < 50 which isn't really significant enough base analysis on but I can confirm the current trend is not down.

I have been busy preparing my website for an upgrade but with that over I can switch focus back to content again. Unfortunately, I'm having issues posting images on the forums.

Kiralyn2000

Iarao wrote: »

Ashryn wrote: »

I suspected that it would get lowered over time unfortunately!

yeah. and mirri isnt dropping her bags as much, either.

And Onyxia deep breaths more.

Jaimeh

Wing wrote: »

(on a side note its enough that i find myself actually playing the game less overall because im sick of constantly being on the game to do dallies, a classic shift from wanting to waste my time in ESO, to ESO wasting my time.)

I agree with this, lately I've thought that the game feels like one big daily.

Sylvermynx

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

Ashryn wrote: »

I suspected that it would get lowered over time unfortunately!

yeah. and mirri isnt dropping her bags as much, either.

And Onyxia deep breaths more.

Gave me SUCH a giggle! You go girl!

Toxic_Hemlock

I'm just waiting for the unremarkable horse apex mount that gets released in a few months. I'm sure Zos has the calculations on earned seals thus far and when the average player is close to 16k they will remove any good apex mounts and just give us the dregs.

Either way it is "free" reward, but if that happens I'll just save my seals for a few more months.

edit: clarity

rpa

The seals of endeavor is an attempt to follow the Microsoft policy. I don't think wether or not you can grind things in gaem has any relevance to regulation of gambling. You can grind things in real life and gambling for things is still heavily regulated in most jurisdictions.

VaranisArano

rpa wrote: »

The seals of endeavor is an attempt to follow the Microsoft policy. I don't think wether or not you can grind things in gaem has any relevance to regulation of gambling. You can grind things in real life and gambling for things is still heavily regulated in most jurisdictions.

And in the wider scheme of things, Microsoft's policy was implemented in direct response to a number of governmental institutions taking note of loot boxes in video games, the similarities to gambling, and starting to make noises about regulation.

Microsoft, and thus ZOS as well, are indeed making the plea "Loot boxes totally aren't gambling! See, players can totally get these items in the game! Please don't regulate us or ban our boxes like Belgium did!" (Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain length of the grind or the sliding scale of Seal to Crown Gem ratio that makes your Seals worth less on lower tiers.)

Ken_Koerperich

JMO, maybe everyone should just ignore it like I do...

So when it "notifies" you on the pop up you actually go...

"WOW" I got some extra drivel for my time...

Yup, I'm a casual, never look at "Dailies/Writs", I just play....

As there is NOTHING, literally NOTHING in the Crown Store I need @ this time....

So it's all just a big waste IMO....

LOL!

OutLaw_Nynx

Myrnhiel wrote: »

I, and many others I suppose, bought the Esraj-Emote for 1000 seals.
I always wanted to have it, passing by the Esraj-player in Rimmen (near the guild vendors) always made me so... envious, I wanted to sit down next to him and play this wonderful instrument as well.

Now I can - and I do, every time I have the possibility to do so.

So for me, the seals have already been a benefit. I would never have had this emote without the seals.

And even if they lower them down to one seal a day - the moment will come when I will be able to buy another always-wanted thing that would be unobtainable for me otherwise!

And fortunately for me, I don't care about those fugly mounts.

I bought that as well. I’m not crazy about any of the mounts. I like getting the other things from crates. So far I’ve really enjoyed the tasks I need to do for the seals.

Luke_Flamesword

Number of seals definitely decreased over time. I check them everyday and calculated in my head average numbers just to see how much time I need to get 3600 rewards. For first 2-3 weeks average number per task was close to 20 (there was mostly a lot of 20's tasks and some 15's and 25's. Then there was a change, when most common number was 15, with mostly some 10 and 20 tasks. 20 is no more average day, but "better" day.

That was not subtle change and I remember my reaction when I saw decrease couple days in a row and there was no increase for average numbers - now this is much closer to 15 than 20.

This is why this numbers are different everyday - they hide this way manipulations with changing average number and this is really low move. We all know it that numbers don't have anything to do with difficulty, because this is completely random (sometimes you get 10 seals for killing a player and 25 for sell 5 items, lol)

Sephyr

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's almost like Seals of Endeavor aren't intended to replace buying Crown Crates, but rather to serve as ZOS's excuse that "Crown Crates totally aren't gambling, so please don't regulate us!"

I'm more upset that Seals of Endeavor aren't actually fabulous looking seals breaking into said Crown Crates.

I laughed, then decided it must be done!

Ooooh my god, I was looking for this thread to see what the response would be and I wasn't disappointed in the slightest. They're all coming for Parcooti's job.

emilyhyoyeon

If all crown crate seasons were available all the time or rotated way more often and more consistently, I'd be less bothered by the lower endeavor amounts. There is ONE crate item I genuinely want, and it's from the psijic crates.
If I'm short by even a single seal on the last day of availability that they bring the psijic crates back, that extends the amount of time I need for that item by a year or maybe even two or more.

omegatay_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's almost like Seals of Endeavor aren't intended to replace buying Crown Crates, but rather to serve as ZOS's excuse that "Crown Crates totally aren't gambling, so please don't regulate us!"

Don't get to mad at me for this comment zos mods, but it goes to show how important crate income is to Zos.

jle30303

Okay. Here is a list of daily and weekly endeavour rewards, which is complete since June 26 (when my guild started keeping record) to the present day. I have been also able to find data for June 17-19 (the first three days of Endeavours): so far I am missing the details for June 20, 24 and 25.

[EDIT] I have now managed to fill in the missing data, thanks to @BenevolentBowd.

However I believe June 21-27 was the first week of Weekly Endeavors, and therefore I have all data for Weekly Endeavors so far.

DAILY:
June 17: 20 seals per endeavor
June 18: 15
June 19: 25
June 20: 25
June 21: 20
June 22: 15
June 23: 20
June 24: 20
June 25: 15
June 26: 25
June 27: 20
June 28: 15
June 29: 20
June 30: 20
July 1: 15
July 2: 20
July 3: 25
July 4: 30
July 5: 15
July 6: 20
July 7: 15
July 8: 20
July 9: 10
July 10: 15
July 11: 15
July 12: 15
July 13: 15
July 14: 25
July 15: 20
July 16: 10
July 17: 15
July 18: 15
July 19: 25
July 20: 15
July 21: 10
July 22: 25
July 23: 10
July 24: 15
July 25: 15
July 26: 20
July 27: 15
July 28: 15
July 29: 20
July 30: 15
July 31: 10
Aug 1: 15
Aug 2: 15
Aug 3: 10
Aug 4: 15
Aug 5: 15
Aug 6: 20
Aug 7: 10
Aug 8: 15
Aug 9: 15
Aug 10: 20
Aug 11: 10
Aug 12: 15

WEEKLY:

June 21-27: 250 seals
June 28-July 4: 200
July 5-11: 200
July 12-18: 180
July 19-25: 225
July 26-Aug 1: 200
Aug 2-8: 180
Aug 9-15: 160

The trend is distinctly lower over the last month, than it was during the last week in June and the first week in July. Does anybody have exact per-day data to add from the previous days and weeks of Endeavors, during earlier in June?