I WAS very excited about endeavours

Chaquinho89

People set the bar too high for a company that put gambling boxes in their game. This is what you get, you deserve it!

Sju

These are the most ridiculous prices I've ever seen.

emilyhyoyeon

Blacknight841 wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Everyone is saying you earn 20 seals per day which is incorrect. It is 60 per day, not including the weeklys, which when I estimated to be 100, leaves about 2200 seals per month, meaning a radiant apex will take less than 8 months to get, which pleasantly surprised me.

I think the 16 gem and 40 gem items should've been a bit cheaper in seals, but the rare items turned out much better than expected for me. I thought they'd be 1+ years.

I feel like my opinion may be skewed because I never bought crates. I only got gems through free crates. So even a non radiant apex mounts seemed super rare and unattainable to me. Four-ish months for an apex mount is ridiculously cheap from my perspective I guess.

How does that help, you cannot even play the entire time during one season and get rewarded with a single mount from the current season. In essence, 3 crown crate seasons will pass during the time it takes you to get one mount. Or in other words, you cannot obtain any mounts from the next 3 seasons.

What do you mean how does that help? Again, from my perspective as someone who will not buy crates, I can get 3 apex mounts per year, or a RADIANT apex in likely seven months, with this current pricing. That is insane to me who previously had to save up several YEARS worth of gems from ouroboros crates--since I never manage to catch streams with drops with my irl schedule--for just a single nonradiant apex mount.

Hapexamendios

The first day endeavors were quite easy. Took less than 10 minutes. I somehow doubt every day will be so.

starkerealm

Hapexamendios wrote: »

The first day endeavors were quite easy. Took less than 10 minutes. I somehow doubt every day will be so.

From what we saw on the PTS, the daily endeavors are pretty painless, the weeklies will take a bit more effort. Stuff like clear seven dungeons, complete seven public dungeon group events, or kill thirty world bosses, will take a minute. But, we'll see how much those pay out. On the PTS the weeklies were paying 20, and the dalies were paying 3. So, it's entirely possible the weeklies will pay out 300 - 400 seals each. If that's the case, then it's less about, "getting the cheap consumable [redacted]" will take days, and more that you can get two or three of those each week if you want them, or you can save up.

At that point, even if you're only doing weeklies, weeklies only pay out 200, and you can only do 3 a week, the radiants are down to needing 26 weeks of grind (if you're skipping your dalies).

Hapexamendios

Good to know. Thanks

Elsonso

starkerealm wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

The first day endeavors were quite easy. Took less than 10 minutes. I somehow doubt every day will be so.

From what we saw on the PTS, the daily endeavors are pretty painless, the weeklies will take a bit more effort. Stuff like clear seven dungeons, complete seven public dungeon group events, or kill thirty world bosses, will take a minute. But, we'll see how much those pay out. On the PTS the weeklies were paying 20, and the dalies were paying 3. So, it's entirely possible the weeklies will pay out 300 - 400 seals each. If that's the case, then it's less about, "getting the cheap consumable [redacted]" will take days, and more that you can get two or three of those each week if you want them, or you can save up.

At that point, even if you're only doing weeklies, weeklies only pay out 200, and you can only do 3 a week, the radiants are down to needing 26 weeks of grind (if you're skipping your dalies).

I figure that, for this week, the dailies give out 20 because there are no weekly endeavors. Next week, we will see what the daily endeavors are really worth.

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO

I think they're fine. This is the only progression system for solo players so don't want it to be instant. MMO players have gear and group progression. Solo players ONLY have cosmetics.

Sure, it depends on if you don't care about cosmetics and so all you know about is radiant apex. Its effectively useless for that. Although one per year is better than nothing isn't it?

If you do already do cosmetics though, what you have to mention is that you'll never have to pay for 16+40 gem items with this system now.. never.. which means my spend on crates can be non existent depending on how good they are.

Finally having something to progress + another tool to min max crate gambling is great. Thanks.

KashyyyK240

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »

You fundamentally misunderstand the system. The system is here to provide you the items that are exclusively obtainable by gambling without paying money.

Pot, meet kettle.

If you honestly believe that is why this system is here I think you are actually the one that doesn't understand. At these prices, it will be impossible to buy those exclusive apex mounts in the time period of a crate season. Period. The only thing they are good for, is giving people another task each day, appeasing legislators in countries like Belgium who won't allow ESO to be sold there until they remove the gamble boxes (it won't work), and having one more currency that you basically just passively accumulate until one day the moons align and something you want comes available when you actually have the endeavor tokens to spend on it.

But the average crown crate season does NOT last 3 months, and even assuming an additional 420 for the weekly endeavor (I don't believe it will be even close to that much though) it would take MORE than three months to save up enough for an apex, let alone a radiant.

Do the math if you don't believe me. Anyone saying this is providing an in-game method of obtaining items you want on the crate store is fooling themselves.

Exactly! We are looking at a possible 8 months of logging in every single day, that's 224 consecutive days in which you have to log in.

Let's say it takes you an average of 10 minutes to do the dailies (for the sake of everyone defending endeavors, i'll count the weeklies as being completed passively while doing the dailies). That means it takes you 37 full hours to get one of the most expensive items from seal store, a single radiant apex mount. With 37 hours of labor, I can earn enough money for 14000 crowns and buy 43 crown crates. For more developed countries it might be even less.

It's damn obvious that this is another mechanic aimed at convincing people to spend more on the store, the same people that are already used to forking their wallets over to ZOS monthly for any new shinny. If there's no grind, the incentive to buy is lower than with a very slow grind that you can skip with a few extra hours of overtime and focus on playing whatever gamemode you enjoy in your spare time.

Darkandsinful

Endeavors were not put into the game because they wanted to do it, they were put in because they had to. https://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/for-everyone/responsible-gaming/loot-boxes/

Doesnt mean they have to make it easy to get just has to be a way to get them in game.

kmcaj

Ì'm very excited for endeavours. In five years I get myself something nice.

hackdrag0n

There's nothing anyone needs in the loot boxes anyway, except a fancy mount or skin to show other players you like to throw money down the toilet.

Lerozain

It's a currency you accumulate for FREE while doing things most people already do and takes very little time.

Were people actually expecting to be able to save for an apex mount every month? Reel your expectations back in. If seals had as much buying power as some insist they should, Zos would barely be able to sell anything on the crown store.

Thanks for providing a free alternative that we can all enjoy over time.

starkerealm

Elsonso wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

The first day endeavors were quite easy. Took less than 10 minutes. I somehow doubt every day will be so.

From what we saw on the PTS, the daily endeavors are pretty painless, the weeklies will take a bit more effort. Stuff like clear seven dungeons, complete seven public dungeon group events, or kill thirty world bosses, will take a minute. But, we'll see how much those pay out. On the PTS the weeklies were paying 20, and the dalies were paying 3. So, it's entirely possible the weeklies will pay out 300 - 400 seals each. If that's the case, then it's less about, "getting the cheap consumable [redacted]" will take days, and more that you can get two or three of those each week if you want them, or you can save up.

At that point, even if you're only doing weeklies, weeklies only pay out 200, and you can only do 3 a week, the radiants are down to needing 26 weeks of grind (if you're skipping your dalies).

I figure that, for this week, the dailies give out 20 because there are no weekly endeavors. Next week, we will see what the daily endeavors are really worth.

Yeah, quite possible. The preview linked on Twitter still showed the PTS version of the system, which was 3 per daily, and 16 or 20 per weekly, varying. Though, I suspect, if they do walk it back like that, it's going to lead to result in a lot of negative press.

Linaleah

and I continue to be amused that people are only taking apex rewards into consideration, meanwhile I'm sitting here, realizing that there goes my hopes of being able to grab some extra furnishings on top of costumes, since they priced them so much relatively higher then those bloody apex mounts that don't even care about.

I expected those mounts to take 6-7 months. what i did not expect is that my actual goals of grabbing cheaper item collections would be that much more grindy. I really wish they didn't treat seals the way they treat crown packs. you know... the smaller the amount you are getting, the more expensive it is per crown/seal.

Flamebait

I really hope that people realize this is the same thing they did with Fallout already. They introduced the same system and shortly after releasing it they reduced the amount gained to about 20% of the release amount. So if you really think they will do anything good for you or have it be a system that shows anything but disdain and malice for their customers good luck.

Sorbin

Come on guys. ZOS can't just give everything away for free. I mean, how else is a company who offers buy-to-play software with a heavily incentivized monthly subscription, three figure premium cosmetics and a whole litany of aggressively monetized quality of life items designed to circumvent months-long timegates supposed to make money without encouraging gambling?

Red_Feather

I think this was done as an obligation to microsoft's rules. Microsoft might be giving mandates now. But I bet somewhere along the chain of command zenimax media still gets to put a twist on how it is done. And that company is not a 'microsoft' of this world, it is fully steeped in the worship of wealth above all else and I bet it will die a miser.

Viewsfrom6ix

Simple question. Would you rather play the game you're already playing for 133 hours (assuming it takes 30mins to get 60 SoE) to get an apex radiant mount or pay $489 to buy crowns and open crates and convert to gems to buy the apex radiant mount?

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIE9FV7NG2Dw4nvY8nZFPdB9uAMVXO2odUgXB9JGZCk/htmlview

Viewsfrom6ix

KashyyyK240 wrote: »

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Let's say it takes you an average of 10 minutes to do the dailies (for the sake of everyone defending endeavors, i'll count the weeklies as being completed passively while doing the dailies). That means it takes you 37 full hours to get one of the most expensive items from seal store, a single radiant apex mount. With 37 hours of labor, I can earn enough money for 14000 crowns and buy 43 crown crates. For more developed countries it might be even less.

The thing is no one is paying you to intentionally play video games unless you're a content creator. So the 37 hours you spend on a game isn't equal to 37 hours working. You also can't freely allocate more hours to work to get more money.

Also it would take an estimated of 205 crown crates to have enough gems to get the radiant mounts. So by your logic you wouldn't have enough to buy it with 37 hours.

Jeremy

They're just a little something on the side.

If they were more difficult and time-consuming to do I might agree with the thread. But I was able to complete all of mine just by playing the game as I normally would.

Chips_Ahoy

I don't understand the drama, they are free.

I was collecting lorebooks and suddenly a message came out saying that I had already done 3 tasks.

I don't even know what those three tasks were and I'm not interested in knowing, I'll continue playing as usual and if in a few months i collect enough to buy something that I like, great!

Does anyone remember the first months of the daily gifts? they used to give 10 crown crates a month for free, but the greedy grew up fast in ZOS, now they give garbage, but it's free anyway.

luen79rwb17_ESO

It's free so I don't complain. It's not like my life depends on a shinny virtual cosmetic. I'll eventually get the coins to pick what I find most appealing to me.

Spidder81

Good luck saving up for anything actually worth having, these prices are a joke and the rewards for doing them are also a joke and a massive kick in the teeth, they didnt do this for players they only did it to appease the bigwigs from the gambling crates. Will take forever to actually buy anything good. Not even worth it, pathetic. Shouldnt have expected anything less from ZOS

Nightowl_74

From my perspective as a very casual solo player it's nice just to be rewarded for something that I normally do and while the radiant apex are still not a worthwhile investment to me, eventually I'll get some other items. My off and on play style makes me more a fan of actual grinding than ESO's - just log in and do a few things but do them every day . I get the reasoning behind it, I'm just more amenable to playing for longer stretches of time, versus more frequently/regularly.

wolfie1.0.

i don't mind the system. I honestly like it. most of the quests are not all that hard and you can honestly reach 3 in a short time.

What i DO mind is the inconsistency of the amount of endeavors offered. 60 endeavors on the first day, and now 45 on day 2. If they vary to such lengths then all of the math goes out the window. its not longer 267 days to get Radiant, its longer, much longer.

Balraw

I play most days for at least an hour sometimes more but I consider myself a casual player. Endeavours are just another thing I will accumulate while I go about my normal daily play and I might get something nice from them eventually. Didn't really expect a company to give things away easily that was earning them money.

I do wonder about endeavour tokens though as today we are only getting 15 per task and 5k gold. What is the proper rate going forward or will it be variable?

TacoMasters(PS4)

Kinda weird that people are defending this. I don't care if the crown crate items are now earnable in-game; the issue is that the loot boxes are still there.

Vedova

Looks like its 15 endeavours today, well its not much cope if cant keep it at a set amount and then how meant to work out how many days you need to get stuff if its not the same each day.

wolfie1.0.

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

Simple question. Would you rather play the game you're already playing for 133 hours (assuming it takes 30mins to get 60 SoE) to get an apex radiant mount or pay $489 to buy crowns and open crates and convert to gems to buy the apex radiant mount?

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIE9FV7NG2Dw4nvY8nZFPdB9uAMVXO2odUgXB9JGZCk/htmlview

The difference is that, IF it were just a matter of hours of play it wouldn't be all that bad. But as it stands we are looking at the first person to be able to afford an Apex Radiant mount sometime in February/March of 2022. Possibly much longer now that we know that its NOT a steady 60 per day, since post reset the day 2 endeavors are 45 per day. which depending on how the rotation works out is going to lead to a variance in the averages.

We know that this was a move by ZOS and ultimately Microsoft to avoid legal actions. But the scale of said gesture could have gone a long way to boost consumer confidence and gain a more sizable good will. This thus far, leans more to it being a method to check some legal and internal boxes than winning over the community with some more good will, and engaging activities.