I WAS very excited about endeavours

cnyanes

This was my process:
- Oh yes, endeavours are such a great idea. I can't wait for them to come out!

Endeavours go live. Check the prices and how many seals you can get per week.
- Yeah, you know what... I wasn't even THAT excited really...

Lady_Galadhiel

Same

VaxtinTheWolf

I was never excited for them. I knew it was going to be either highly priced items, or the tasks you do were or will eventually not be worth the minimum reward amount when they figure out how much they can reduce it, or probably both. I had absolutely no optimism about this system.

HelixUnited

same but its Zos what did you expect,
though its kinda sad that even a emote is over 2k of endeavours

Danikat

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

Elsonso

Not unexpected. 18 Daily Endeavors (up to 3 per day) just to get the trash stuff from the Crown Crates that people use to convert to Gems. Only 800 Daily Endeavors to get a Radiant Apex bling.

cnyanes

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

You get 20 seals for each daily... the apex mounts are 16000 each if I recall correctly.

VaxtinTheWolf

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

Good luck;
- 1000 Endeavors for 16 gem items,
- 2000 for 40 gem items,
- 3600 for 100 gem items,
- 8000 for normal Apex mounts,
- 16000 flat for all Radiant Apex mounts.

NoxiousBlight

I had the opposite thought. Better than I expected. At 60 a day, NOT including the weekly, that is one radiant apex every 267 days.

If the weekly awards enough you are looking at 2 radiant apex mounts a year for free. If you don't care about those then you can get a few free items per crate season.

Not sure what people were expecting but there was never any hope of you getting the majority of a crate without paying. Just pick one or two items you like and you get them for free. It is 1000% improvement.

Danikat

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

1000 Endeavors for 16 gem items, 3600 for 100 gem items, 8000 for normal Apex mounts, 16000 flat for all Radiant Apex mounts. Good luck.

Thanks.

So at 60 seals a day and 3,600 for a legendary item that's 60 days for a mount or costume or something. I suppose it's a good thing there's not much I want from crates.

It really sucks for people who like the radiant apex mounts.

I suppose it's still better than nothing, but I suppose this pretty much confirms that this was something Microsoft required and ZOS did not want to support or encourage any more than absolutely necessary.

Marcus_Aurelius

Elsonso wrote: »

Not unexpected. 18 Daily Endeavors just to get the trash stuff from the Crown Crates that people use to convert to Gems. Only 800 Daily Endeavors to get a Radiant Apex bling.

You can get 60, not 20 from dailies.

HelixUnited

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

unless the weekly is giving more reward for it your talking about 160 days just for a apex mount and that's doing them everyday and they don't lower the reward for each

VaxtinTheWolf

Also, there is no guarentee that they will always reward 20 per completed task. I highly suspect they will vary as time goes on, some giving 5 for a few dailies, 10 for others, and maybe a difficult high value one as a weekly for 50.

danno8

cnyanes wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

You get 20 seals for each daily... the apex mounts are 16000 each if I recall correctly.

So 60 per day max. 16000/60= 266 days of endeavors.

Well I completed todays endeavors without doing anything different so a free mount a year or so isn't something I would complain about, but it would be cool if you could do more to earn more.

I certainly don't expect them to set up a system where you could get an Apex mount every month just by spending 10 minutes every day doing simple tasks, but running Vet dungeons, or trials or larger # of kills in PvP as extra bonuses would be a good idea for those who wanted more.

WhyMustItBe

I have learned to temper my expectations with this company.

Going in, I expected endeavors to be something where you would need to save up for months to get anything special, by which time the thing you wanted would have cycled out of the store due to the "everything for a limited time only" gimmick. But even I am a little shocked by these prices:



At this rate, it would take 120 days to get the cheapest thing on offer (the red spriggan recolor), by which time it would of course no longer be available. I imagine weekly endeavors will probably only offer 100, but even if you assumed they will grant a full week of maxed dailies (420) in addition to the 420 max per week from dailies, so 840 total per week, it would still take over 8 weeks or 2 months to get the spriggan.

I was hoping it would give you something to work towards, but somehow I always knew there would be no chance to get anything you wanted during the time it was available, and that endeavors would largely just be a thing that you save and maybe have enough one day to get something you want if you already have enough when it becomes available.

Elsonso

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Not unexpected. 18 Daily Endeavors just to get the trash stuff from the Crown Crates that people use to convert to Gems. Only 800 Daily Endeavors to get a Radiant Apex bling.

You can get 60, not 20 from dailies.

Because we don't know what Weekly are going to offer (won't trust anything until I see it in the game), it is better to count the number of dailies that you need to do, not the minimum number of days (at 3 dailies per day) Besides, not everyone is going to be able to max out the daily and weekly Seals.

emilyhyoyeon

Everyone is saying you earn 20 seals per day which is incorrect. It is 60 per day, not including the weeklys, which when I estimated to be 100, leaves about 2200 seals per month, meaning a radiant apex will take less than 8 months to get, which pleasantly surprised me.

I think the 16 gem and 40 gem items should've been a bit cheaper in seals, but the rare items turned out much better than expected for me. I thought they'd be 1+ years.

I feel like my opinion may be skewed because I never bought crates. I only got gems through free crates. So even a non radiant apex mounts seemed super rare and unattainable to me. Four-ish months for an apex mount is ridiculously cheap from my perspective I guess.

DarcyMardin

Today it was 60 seals for the dailies. On the PTS, the number of seals you could get per day varied, IIRC. So the same variation might appear over the next few days on Live…. We shall see. I’m also curious how many we’ll get for completing the weekly endeavors.

hamsterontherocksb16_ESO

Jupp, very pleasently suprised as well. Also, you dont have to farm this stuff, you most likely do it by playing normally.
But as always, people expect radiant apex in 2 weeks. If ZOS paid them to play the game they would most likely find a way to complain.

WhyMustItBe

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Everyone is saying you earn 20 seals per day which is incorrect. It is 60 per day, not including the weeklys, which when I estimated to be 100, leaves about 2200 seals per month, meaning a radiant apex will take less than 8 months to get, which pleasantly surprised me.

I think the 16 gem and 40 gem items should've been a bit cheaper in seals, but the rare items turned out much better than expected for me. I thought they'd be 1+ years.

Again, the problem for me is that you will never be able to save up in time for the thing you want before they are cycled off the store. Making the chore of logging in every day for dailies and weeklies less of an incentive, since you aren't working towards a specific goal you can ever achieve.

The "save them because one day you might have enough for something you might want while it is available" is not a very strong motivator, for me anyway. I like to see what I am actually working towards.

But with the prices and limited time crate season gimmicks, that is unfortunately not possible.

khyrkat

I was waiting for endeavors. But... nope. Just nope, sorry ZOS, I don't play korean grind fests for a reason.

xeNNNNN

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

I have learned to temper my expectations with this company.

Going in, I expected endeavors to be something where you would need to save up for months to get anything special, by which time the thing you wanted would have cycled out of the store due to the "everything for a limited time only" gimmick. But even I am a little shocked by these prices:



At this rate, it would take 120 days to get the cheapest thing on offer (the red spriggan recolor), by which time it would of course no longer be available. I imagine weekly endeavors will probably only offer 100, but even if you assumed they will grant a full week of maxed dailies (420) in addition to the 420 max per week from dailies, so 840 total per week, it would still take over 8 weeks or 2 months to get the spriggan.

I was hoping it would give you something to work towards, but somehow I always knew there would be no chance to get anything you wanted during the time it was available, and that endeavors would largely just be a thing that you save and maybe have enough one day to get something you want if you already have enough when it becomes available.

Edit NOTE for my comment: Everything below is without the daily cap of 3 out of 5. With the capped dailies this reduces the numbers to a maximum gain over 3 months of 1260 assuming you do them every day then the below information regarding weeklies added to your daily count, 3 months would result in a grand total of 7260 assuming the weekly is not also capped.

Well just including the dailies right now you do indeed end up at 840 a month if you did it every day for that month assuming its a 31 day month.
If its 100 per weekly reward individually then it would end up at the following;

100x5 = 500 (one week) , 500x4 = 2000 (4 weeks in a month)

Over the 2-3 month DLC period including chapters it would be 4000-6000 depend on when the next season starts.
Dailies would result in the same period at maximum gain of 2520.

So In total we're looking at around 8520 at a maximum gain provided there are 3 months between each crate season. So at this rate for those specific items that are featured, one item every season. That would evolve to more the further you go down as it will get cheaper.

This is a mad grind. You would have to play every single day just to reach the daily max total you could earn each month. I think they need to bring the prices down for those items a bit. 20% perhaps. I mean if this is the result uncapped then with the daily cap its even worse and this all assumes the weekly isn't also capped.

Ivelbob below my comment here is also correct, at the very least this is a guaranteed apex mount, but sadly thats alls you likely be able to get.

ivelbob

Could the prices in endeavours be lower? Sure. But even players without ESO plus and who don't buy crates can get that guaranteed Radiant Apex with less than a year of play. Every day of doing dailies gets you some progress towards that. Whales can sink a fortune into crates and still get screwed over by RNG.

And even a month or two of dailies can get you some cheap cosmetics from the Crown store without shelling out a single $. So I can appreciate and be grateful for this new system

Linaleah

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

I had the opposite thought. Better than I expected. At 60 a day, NOT including the weekly, that is one radiant apex every 267 days.

If the weekly awards enough you are looking at 2 radiant apex mounts a year for free. If you don't care about those then you can get a few free items per crate season.

Not sure what people were expecting but there was never any hope of you getting the majority of a crate without paying. Just pick one or two items you like and you get them for free. It is 1000% improvement.

I would not expect the 20 per daily endeavor to stay. in another thread another poster made an assumption that it was just a bonus for first week being incomplete and having no weekly endeavor available. I'm think they are correct. I think on week 2, endeavors will go back to being 2 per daily.

emilyhyoyeon

WhyMustItBe wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Everyone is saying you earn 20 seals per day which is incorrect. It is 60 per day, not including the weeklys, which when I estimated to be 100, leaves about 2200 seals per month, meaning a radiant apex will take less than 8 months to get, which pleasantly surprised me.

I think the 16 gem and 40 gem items should've been a bit cheaper in seals, but the rare items turned out much better than expected for me. I thought they'd be 1+ years.

Again, the problem for me is that you will never be able to save up in time for the thing you want before they are cycled off the store. Making the chore of logging in every day for dailies and weeklies less of an incentive, since you aren't working towards a specific goal you can ever achieve.

The "save them because one day you might have enough for something you might want while it is available" is not a very strong motivator, for me anyway. I like to see what I am actually working towards.

But with the prices and limited time crate season gimmicks, that is unfortunately not possible.

I agree that the cycling thing is an issue. Ideally all crown crate seasons are available at all times, or all Q1s are available every Q1, all Q2s every Q2, and so on.

Lowballing the amount of seals you can earn per month (60*30) for 1800 plus the weekly which let's say is 200 total per month, you can earn about 6000 per crate season of 3 months. If old crate seasons returned more often/consistently, I'd be pretty satisfied with the numbers.

Lumsdenml

Are the daily quests per character or per account?

AlgolStar

So was I.

But then, deep down I knew with certainty that it's just a way to appease the legislators. It wasn't really for us. It's in the game just so they can say "but there IS a way to purchase all the crown crate items JUST BY PLAYING the game!". It's in the game so the players can go "I'd rather buy the crown crates".

It doesn't matter that some stupid elixirs cost 360 SoE and the best mounts go for 8000 SoE.

Sylvermynx

Since I'm not changing my current style of play - log in every day for a minimum of 7-8 hours of play, crafting on 2-3 characters per both accounts both PC megaservers, do quests, do antiquities, etc etc - I'll be happy for however many I get just doing my normal. Eventually I'll have enough for something I want. And if there's something I REALLY want RIGHT NOW, I'll just do what I've always done - buy crowns. Mostly I only buy stuff that's outside the crates; there aren't many crate seasons I honestly like very well.

PeacefulAnarchy

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Are the daily quests per character or per account?

Per account (server)

WhyMustItBe

Linaleah wrote: »

I think on week 2, endeavors will go back to being 2 per daily.

I really doubt it. 2 per day I think was just for testing on the PTS, before prices were published.

At 2 per day (assuming you mean per daily, so a total of 6 per day with the 3 daily cap) it would take OVER THREE YEARS (not counting weeklies) to get the spriggan. Endeavors are already not the alternative to gamble crates many were hoping, since it is impossible to earn the expensive rewards during the window of time they are available (if past crown season length is any indication.

If they changed it to 2 per day it would be more like an insult to people who aren't buying crates.

spartaxoxo

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I can't log in yet, and won't be able to for several hours. Can someone give some examples of the prices please?

Good luck;
- 1000 Endeavors for 16 gem items,
- 2000 for 40 gem items,
- 3600 for 100 gem items,
- 8000 for normal Apex mounts,
- 16000 flat for all Radiant Apex mounts.

How long would it take to get a radiant apex with those prices from weekly and daily endeavors? I know the dailies are 60 per day but what's the expected weekly value based off pts?