I WAS very excited about endeavours

FrancisCrawford

Reminder: We have no assurance that rewards and/or prices will remain stable.

Elsonso

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Reminder: We have no assurance that rewards and/or prices will remain stable.

As a matter of fact, the opposite can be expected, starting on Monday.

NoxiousBlight

Blacknight841 wrote: »

There is nothing free about endevours. Even daily login rewards are not free. Nothing in life is free. Everything has a cost, and in most cases that cost is time. You might say that this is a great addition because you have the ability to play 1.5h a day, other people do not have the time to play every day and are limited to the weekend. What takes you 9 months get by playing every day, can take 3 years for someone else. Your logic says that only players who play the game daily should be rewarded and have a chance to get a radiant mount a year. What you get for “free”, some others can only achieve by logging in and spending 15m of their time each day grinding. Not everyone is as privileged to spend 600 hours a year playing the game.

It's still free even if it takes you longer. Last I checked I didn't have to swipe my credit card to get endeavours.

If you are judging the price based on time, then why doesn't everyone just stop playing video games and get a second job? That is a better use of your time then isn't it?

Endeavours are one of the least burdensome grind systems I have seen in a modern game. Like I said, if you don't like the system then don't engage with it. Literally nothing has changed with the ESO gameplay because of this. It is F R E E just for playing a game you were playing anyway.

And why shouldn't people who play a game more be rewarded more? You are rewarded with more gold, CP, etc., by putting in more hours. Even in games that are less linear you are rewarded for playing more. When I load up Dead by Daylight or something I get my face stomped in when I am vs a long time player with 4000 hours.

Castagere

Thank god it's only stuff you don't really need. Man two new systems added to this new chapter that I'm passing on. Companions and now this.

NettleCarrier

Yeah not sure why people had this expectation that crate items would literally fall in your lap. Just play the game as you always did, seals will build up over time. Most of it are things people do anyway and in a few months you can go pick yourself out something nice.

Rex-Umbra

basically one or two crate goodies a year.

Lugaldu

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

Literally nothing has changed with the ESO gameplay because of this. It is F R E E just for playing a game you were playing anyway.

Nothing has changed the gameplay, but prices have changed. I think I've already written it, but the moment when endevours were announced, the gem prices for mounts rose.
Usually I felt like buying a couple of crown crates every now and then, but now I don't feel like it anymore because I know that I have to spend a lot more money - or gems converted - to get even a simple apex mount or Spriggan polymorph.

MasterWarrior

hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »

MasterWarrior wrote: »

We knew it would be very expensive but this way too expensive.

With just the dailies not counting the weekly

60x30 = 1800 per month

The max price of the endeavors should be no more than 2000 or 3000. Items have to be obtainable. There are 3 mounts that are 16000. Edit: Completely unobtainable through the endeavor system. You would think ZOS would create system where if you played the game for a month or just little over a month you could get a really nice reward from it.

You want a mount that usually costs around 20 to 50 € for 1 to 2 months of playing a game that you likely play daily anyways?

You fundamentally misunderstand the system. The system is here to provide you the items that are exclusively obtainable by gambling without paying money. ZOS literally has to give up its main revenue source. Its not designed to give you all 3 apex mounts for playing a videogame for 3 months....

People have to understand one thing: Once this game is no longer profitable, it will be shut down. This was the first step to kill a major income souce for ZOS. And the people that complain now that this system is bad and still to expensive are also the same whiny kids that will rage when ESO gets shut down for good, utterly failing to see that their own greed and ego are the very reason this game ended.

You do not have to buy anything from the crown crates. They gave you a FREE SOURCE to get cool mounts. And you even CAN CHOOSE, not be a slave to rng and get a camel when you wanted a guar as with crown crates. And even now when you LITERALLY GET FREE STUFF you complain. This is so very infuriating, the audacity so many people have.

I'm buy every chapter, and I"m an ESO+ member. That's how I give the publisher and the developers my money. I love this game and don't want it to shut down. Crown crates shouldn't even be in the game to begin with. ZOS should focus on making this game better and that would attract new and paying players to the game, which they have so credit should be given to ZOS. New content comes every quarter and new chapter every year. This is why I play ESO.

I also never asked for free stuff. But a system where you have to farm for 6+ to 8+ months to get what you want is a very bad system. This will push more players away from the game, not attract new players especially when they see how long it will take farm for an item. This will have the opposite effect of what they intended.

We can and should be able to offer feedback on new and existing systems that exist in the game and I was offering my feedback. And also you responded to my post, which I also think is positive from a community stand point and I thank you for providing your feedback and helping to make this game even better.

Shantu

EVERYTHING this company does in regard to ESO is purely designed to keep you logged in. If you're not logged in, the impulse to spend money in the Crown Store essentially disappears. No money pouring into the Crown Store means they're looking for new jobs. They don't care if you like what they do, only that you do what they like.

spartaxoxo

AlgolStar wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

/clap. Amen, you said it better than I could have. People forget that ZOS doesn't run a charity, it's a business. For-profit business. Businesses can't exist unless they can make a profit.

TIL you can't criticize a *** business. Seriously what is with this "worshipping the business" mentality? Companies aren't your exalted benefactors to be unconditionally revered just because they give content (the content you pay for). If this content is low quality, they get criticized, end of story.

Also other companies make a profit with less greedy boxes. So this idea it needs to take 8 months for one is silly.

Personally I understand not being able to buy the mount you want by the end of the crate season if you start at the beginning. But 3 crate seasons behind seems excessive.

Perhaps with the weekly it will be 2 of them. That would be a good middle ground I think, getting one every other season.

Sephyr

Blacknight841 wrote: »

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Let’s look at it from a different perspective….

If it takes 15m to do the daily quests, and let’s say 1 hour to do the weekly. That’s approximately 2.5 hours a week. So 267 days is about 38 weeks. Assuming you do them all that is 95 hours. At $10 an hour pay, that would translate to $950. In conclusion If you spend that time working instead of doing the nonsense endeavors, you will make enough money to get 210,000 crowns with the 21,000 crown pack on sale at 40% off. …. Enough to buy 630 crown crates with $50 left over to get the next years chapter.

You can either spend 95 hours of your gameplay for 3/4 of year, or you can shell out $950 to and get 210 crown crates for each of the 3 seasons during the same nine months.

… disguising the new endeavors as an act of good faith to allow players to get the items from loot crates through gameplay…. But in actuality it is meant to drive more players to buy crowns.

You cannot even do all the endeavors each day but are limited to doing 3 of them.

That is a flawed way of looking at it. I earned all 60 seals today without any effort. I got them just playing the game normally. Based on my experience with the PTS this will normally be the case. The weekly will require a modicum of effort, but if you don't want to do it, then don't do it. I play this game 500-600 hours a year for fun so its not like endeavours are any kind of burden whatsoever. I don't get paid at my job to have fun, so assigning an hourly wage to it is silly.

Furthermore with the cap in place you can't even grind them out like a job. If you want a game that lets you grind like a job go play Warframe. So as it stands endeavours are just a nice free bonus that let you get a cosmetic once in a while.

I've never seen a group of players more upset about free stuff before. This is like a monthly login reward thread times 100. Who cares if it takes six months for a radiant? Then DON'T DO IT. You didn't have a radiant before and you don't need one now. Just play the game and have fun. You will get most of the endeavours just by playing the game - spend them on something you like. And if you are not having fun then find a game that you have fun with.

What you get for “free”, some others can only achieve by logging in and spending 15m of their time each day grinding. Not everyone is as privileged to spend 600 hours a year playing the game.

15 minutes of "Kill 15 of this" "Loot two chests" and "Kill 15 enemies with class skills" is hardly a grind compared to others in this game. I'm super critical of ZoS, but this? This ain't it.

Blacknight841

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

So my boss came to me today and said: You've been working here for a year now, havent you? Listen, remember those luxury cars parking in front of our building, those cool rides you could never afford? Here is a a thing, I will give you one of those cars every 6 months, you just do your job as you did before, how does it appeal to you? Cool?

Me: Wow, thanks man, thats great.

Other ESO players: Only one for a half of a year? Nah, this is ***, Only Ferrari? Where is Masseratti? You just want to use me as always.

More like you get a Ferrari every 9 months only if you show up to work 7 days a week without missing a day, but for the employee that is part time, they can only get one every 3 years after showing up every day without fail.

As it stands right now, endeavors are capped by daily quests and not by number of seals in possible in a week or month. So every day missed cannot be recovered. This is just a more hardcore daily login grind than the daily login rewards which allow 10 days wiggle room.

Lugaldu

Sephyr wrote: »

"Loot two chests"

That can take time - especially when everyone is suddenly looking for the two chests ...

Ascarl

Lugaldu wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Everyone is saying you earn 20 seals per day which is incorrect. It is 60 per day, not including the weeklys, which when I estimated to be 100, leaves about 2200 seals per month, meaning a radiant apex will take less than 8 months to get, which pleasantly surprised me.

8 months for a radiant apex also surprises me, but not in a positive sense.

There are enough players who don't have time to chase endevours every single day (and this is what we have to do for the "better" stuff) and for these players things are out of reach in this system.

Radiant Apex are supposed to be the rarest items in the game, I AM supprised that they are so easy to grind.

Lumsdenml

IT'S FREE SUFF, PEOPLE!

WiseSky

Man I really really wanted to earn around 20K Endeavors per day so I can make a house out of SweetRolls.

jaws343

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

"Loot two chests"

That can take time - especially when everyone is suddenly looking for the two chests ...

Literally just do two dolmens. Takes 5 minutes max in Alikr, and most of that time is running to way shrines.

Linaleah

jaws343 wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

"Loot two chests"

That can take time - especially when everyone is suddenly looking for the two chests ...

Literally just do two dolmens. Takes 5 minutes max in Alikr, and most of that time is running to way shrines.

eh, for today, I just went to hew's bane (there are plenty of other places, it was just the first one that came to my mind) the citadel area and just killed mobs there until both kill 10 humanoids and kill 15 people with class abilities completed. only took a few minutes and I didn't have to sprint like hell between dolmens (or sit around and wait until the wave comes back around).

still not a fan of pricing system. but ah well. at least seems like this crown season for me is a meh one. have enough gems saved up to get the chandelier and a few pets that are cute. so there is that... for me anyways

Lugaldu

jaws343 wrote: »

Literally just do two dolmens. Takes 5 minutes max in Alikr, and most of that time is running to way shrines.

Ok, I thought they have to be treasure chests.

Sephyr

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

"Loot two chests"

That can take time - especially when everyone is suddenly looking for the two chests ...

If it takes me longer than an hour to find two chests, I'd have done one of the other tasks that were available. There's your first problem. The second is that there are a plethora of getting chests. Some not guaranteed, but if you're playing the game casually? You're GOING to hit your daily endeavor cap. Do you have treasure chests that you need to dig up? There's that covered. Chests drop like candy with dolmens or in the troll group events in Craglorn if you get people running them. Some raids have guaranteed chests. There are plenty of zones to go to in order to find one. Thieves Troves are going to be worse because not everyone has the Thieves Guild DLC and even then? There are four other tasks to do. It's literally not that big of a deal.

TerraDewBerry

Overall, I'm happy with the endeavors. I expected high value items to take a long time to get. I'm just really glad they did not put a cap on how many endeavor seals you can have at one time. Thank you very much, ZOS for that.

maboleth

It makes me sick how this game and similar mmos are requiring people to grind beyond measure.

Everything in this game seems grindy, wasting your life and time doing pointless and utterly repetitive stuff for what? Few gems, coins, tickets etc.

Devs know this, they are exploiting human behaviour and weaknesses for imaginary/virtual rewards. Mostly a carrot on a stick, where you can take a bite from time to time.

Sylvermynx

The other thing I'm really happy about is that I haven't ever seen a radiant apex I could stand to use. Lucky me!

kargen27

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

So my boss came to me today and said: You've been working here for a year now, havent you? Listen, remember those luxury cars parking in front of our building, those cool rides you could never afford? Here is a a thing, I will give you one of those cars every 6 months, you just do your job as you did before, how does it appeal to you? Cool?

Me: Wow, thanks man, thats great.

Other ESO players: Only one for a half of a year? Nah, this is ***, Only Ferrari? Where is Masseratti? You just want to use me as always.

More like you get a Ferrari every 9 months only if you show up to work 7 days a week without missing a day, but for the employee that is part time, they can only get one every 3 years after showing up every day without fail.

As it stands right now, endeavors are capped by daily quests and not by number of seals in possible in a week or month. So every day missed cannot be recovered. This is just a more hardcore daily login grind than the daily login rewards which allow 10 days wiggle room.

It is a free Ferrari for doing what the part time employee was doing anyway. He skips a few days he still eventually gets a free car without any more effort than he was already giving. The employee is still getting paid and getting all the other stuff he was getting before. Now on top of that eventually a car!

We finished two of the endeavors last night doing one of the pledges. One person in the party didn't even know endeavors existed when he got the notice for completing the first.

Nastassiya

You're getting something basically for free. If they allow you to earn the item, from nothing, during the season then there is no point to sell the crates for $$. Just be grateful you have the ability to earn free items. It's not like they HAD to do this...

Lugaldu

Nastassiya wrote: »

It's not like they HAD to do this...

I would rather say the opposite is true. It is a safeguard against a ban on loot boxes.

six2fall

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

"Loot two chests"

That can take time - especially when everyone is suddenly looking for the two chests ...

Dolmens

Pajor

I rather spend money then to grind that long for a radiant apex mount. Season will be over by the time you get enough for the one you want.

thegreatme

Linaleah wrote: »

I would not expect the 20 per daily endeavor to stay. in another thread another poster made an assumption that it was just a bonus for first week being incomplete and having no weekly endeavor available. I'm think they are correct. I think on week 2, endeavors will go back to being 2 per daily.

Not only that, but ZoS has a very long history of giving us ACTUALLY nice things for a short burst, and then taking it away never to be seen again for never-mentioned reasons.

Anyone remember when we used to get 5 free seasonal crates per month in dailies? Actual full crates? With actual crate rewards? Not those fake "crates" with a pre-determined minipet and two potions? Yeah, we got that treatment for like 4 months and then they decided no more free crates anymore. Ever. Sure they gave us "preview crates" for a while after that, but we all caught on pretty quickly and that, like all things, turned out to be a gimmick to push people to buying the mini pets they actually wanted but didn't get through RNG.

To put simply, I won't be surprised if they give us "generous" amounts of endeavors to start with and as time goes on they give us less and less of them and they'll see how low they can get away with pushing it without losing their player base. That just seems to be their business pattern.

And if they don't decrease the amount of endeavors we get, they'll instead increase the price to get things. Just look at how gem exclusives have been climbing in price. 800 gems for a lazy mount recolor without even any added special effects? No thank you.

At the end of the day, its just another system ripe for potential abuse of constant carrot-dangling and shifting goal posts, which is worrying for those of us who otherwise don't mind grinding to get what we want when the method of grinding is fair and consistent and predictable. Whether this will be that system or not is up to time to tell.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, and I hope they do prove me wrong, but that's the pattern so far.

TL;DR The system as it is isn't as bad as it could be but based on ZoS's history with "freebies" we're probably in the honeymoon stage and its likely to go downhill from here.

SammyKhajit

This one will treat the endeavours points as an incidental bonus - if they occur during gameplay, that’s fine. If not, this one will not worry about it.