Endeavors are Live

FrancisCrawford

Jaimeh wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

wow... so 100 per day. that means you need 10 day to get a Superior item without weekly. WOW! no thx...

It's 60 per day, as you are capped at 3 daily endeavour quests.

Weekly endeavors may add 50-100% to that potential. We'll see.

shalalaA7X

Pretty much think of it this way. You get a couple free things a year just for playing the game.

You can’t expect them to give you everything you want for free

FrancisCrawford

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

I doubt anybody buys potions for gems, let alone will buy them for seals.

Lucillehe

Well, I'm pretty sure the feedback about the endeavors going to be the same from everyone: either give us a higher daily cap, or an reaaally good weekly one (if it's 400 it's not worth it), or lower the reward prices.
It shouldn't take 3 months of playing every day to get one radiant for example. it's unmanageable.

shalalaA7X

Do I wish it took less days to be able to get radiants? Yes. Do I think that they are unrealistic? No because it is something for free.

Ratzkifal

This_0ne wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

actually crown crates are repeatable) You can get this mount next time, if you realy need them)

I am aware. But what does this mean? That means I will have to ignore 3 whole crown crate seasons completely and then wait for the one I actually like to come back. Woohoo. My excitement about this feature is immeasurable /s

Let's face it, ZOS does not want us to earn anything here. When it takes 6 days to farm 5 Spellpower Potions then you really can't argue that they do.
I can't even get the entire Knight-Aspirant outfit minus the 2 helmets (7000 seals) in 100 days! So that's a superior reward that you cannot get within the timeframe of a crate season. So how many things am I expected to save up for at the same time here when even the "low hanging fruit" are out of reach?

ZOS does not value our time. That's the reality of it and it's sad.

Ratzkifal

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

I doubt anybody buys potions for gems, let alone will buy them for seals.

@FrancisCrawford That's the point. The potions are the lowest of the low. I know nobody is going to buy them, but the next best thing is already at 1000 seals and if we look at Knight-Aspirant, we have a 7000 seal package that you are physically unable to get within the duration of the entire crown crate season and that is when we exclude the 2000 seal helmets from the Epic Rewards tier.

Faulgor

Ratzkifal wrote: »

This_0ne wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

actually crown crates are repeatable) You can get this mount next time, if you realy need them)

I am aware. But what does this mean? That means I will have to ignore 3 whole crown crate seasons completely and then wait for the one I actually like to come back. Woohoo. My excitement about this feature is immeasurable /s

Let's face it, ZOS does not want us to earn anything here. When it takes 6 days to farm 5 Spellpower Potions then you really can't argue that they do.
I can't even get the entire Knight-Aspirant outfit minus the 2 helmets (7000 seals) in 100 days! So that's a superior reward that you cannot get within the timeframe of a crate season. So how many things am I expected to save up for at the same time here when even the "low hanging fruit" are out of reach?

ZOS does not value our time. That's the reality of it and it's sad.

My main beef is that the lower rarity items are insanely overpriced compared to Radiant and Legendary rewards.
Getting the complete Knight Aspirant Outfit with just 1 helm variant is more than an Apex mount for crying out loud!

IMO, if they adjusted the other item tiers to the conversion rate of Radiant or Legendary rewards, it would be mostly fine.

So something like
Radiant Apex 1600 gems / 16000 Seals
Legendary 400 gems / 4000 Seals
Epic 100 gems / 1000 Seals
Rare 40 gems / 400 Seals
Superior 16 gems / 160 Seals
Common 5 gems / 50 Seals
Fine 3 gems / 30 Seals

Ratzkifal

Faulgor wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

This_0ne wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

actually crown crates are repeatable) You can get this mount next time, if you realy need them)

I am aware. But what does this mean? That means I will have to ignore 3 whole crown crate seasons completely and then wait for the one I actually like to come back. Woohoo. My excitement about this feature is immeasurable /s

Let's face it, ZOS does not want us to earn anything here. When it takes 6 days to farm 5 Spellpower Potions then you really can't argue that they do.
I can't even get the entire Knight-Aspirant outfit minus the 2 helmets (7000 seals) in 100 days! So that's a superior reward that you cannot get within the timeframe of a crate season. So how many things am I expected to save up for at the same time here when even the "low hanging fruit" are out of reach?

ZOS does not value our time. That's the reality of it and it's sad.

My main beef is that the lower rarity items are insanely overpriced compared to Radiant and Legendary rewards.
Getting the complete Knight Aspirant Outfit with just 1 helm variant is more than an Apex mount for crying out loud!

IMO, if they adjusted the other item tiers to the conversion rate of Radiant or Legendary rewards, it would be mostly fine.

So something like
Radiant Apex 1600 gems / 16000 Seals
Legendary 400 gems / 4000 Seals
Epic 100 gems / 1000 Seals
Rare 40 gems / 400 Seals
Superior 16 gems / 160 Seals
Common 5 gems / 50 Seals
Fine 3 gems / 30 Seals

Yes, this would be a lot better and way more reasonable.

Castiel_Silvermist

The only way endeavors are going to be sustainable is either: A) We don't get capped at 3 dailies and can do all 5 which would give you 100 seals per day. or B ) Drop the prices of items drastically.

I think 100 seals per day would be more manageable because then it would only take you about 80 days to get an apex reward. Its still grindy as hell, but it would be better than nothing.

Faulgor

I think people are also forgetting that daily rewards may vary. At least they did on the PTS.
So we shouldn't count on always getting 60 seals per day.

Goregrinder

Castiel_Silvermist wrote: »

The only way endeavors are going to be sustainable is either: A) We don't get capped at 3 dailies and can do all 5 which would give you 100 seals per day. or B ) Drop the prices of items drastically.

I think 100 seals per day would be more manageable because then it would only take you about 80 days to get an apex reward. Its still grindy as hell, but it would be better than nothing.

Yeah you can expect a grind for those who don't want to pull out their wallet and financially support the game. They will instead do it by playing the game a lot instead. Choices are always great, now everyone has the option to either pull out their wallet or get to grinding, their choice. But you are absolutely correct, it's better than them getting nothing at all.

Ratzkifal

Faulgor wrote: »

I think people are also forgetting that daily rewards may vary. At least they did on the PTS.
So we shouldn't count on always getting 60 seals per day.

Okay, then they better vary upwards and not downwards, because 60 seals per day is pretty low. Or put some seals of endeavor in daily login rewards or something. I just want this system to actually be meaningful and not just a way for ZOS to pretend that everything is earnable now when in reality not even the cheap stuff really is.

shalalaA7X

The game is a business. Expecting you to be able to earn everything easily for free is just like going to the store and expecting to get your items free.

Ratzkifal

Castiel_Silvermist wrote: »

The only way endeavors are going to be sustainable is either: A) We don't get capped at 3 dailies and can do all 5 which would give you 100 seals per day. or B ) Drop the prices of items drastically.

I think 100 seals per day would be more manageable because then it would only take you about 80 days to get an apex reward. Its still grindy as hell, but it would be better than nothing.

I don't want the cap to go away, because then PvE player will complain about needing to do PvP - even though they would be some easy targets for PvPers like me. But I can get behind getting more seals per day or the prices dropping (especially in the lower reward tiers).

Goregrinder

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I think people are also forgetting that daily rewards may vary. At least they did on the PTS.
So we shouldn't count on always getting 60 seals per day.

Okay, then they better vary upwards and not downwards, because 60 seals per day is pretty low. Or put some seals of endeavor in daily login rewards or something. I just want this system to actually be meaningful and not just a way for ZOS to pretend that everything is earnable now when in reality not even the cheap stuff really is.

it IS earnable in game now. It's like if you were looking for a job, but all the jobs offered to you weren't paying what you wanted, or didn't have the schedule you wanted, etc, so you turned them all down and said "I can't really find a job right now..". The truth is that you CAN, you just willing turned them all down. There is a difference between something not being offered at all, and something you don't like being offered to you. It's still being offered, and that is the only criteria they need to meet. If you choose not to take their offer, that's on you not them.

trackdemon5512

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Question: Will collected Seals of Endeavors ever expire or will your total amount carry over between crown crate seasons/when crate return?

Obsidian3

shalalaA7X wrote: »

Do I wish it took less days to be able to get radiants? Yes. Do I think that they are unrealistic? No because it is something for free.

It's not free...you're paying for it with time spent. Time that can be spent grinding for a Netchs Touch Lightning staff I have been grinding for, four years and still don't have...

Castiel_Silvermist

Obsidian3 wrote: »

It's not free...you're paying for it with time spent. Time that can be spent grinding for a Netchs Touch Lightning staff I have been grinding for, four years and still don't have...

See this is what I reallllly wish they'd add. Rather than giving a weapon reward at the end of a dungeon, they'd give you a token or something to trade in to a merchant in said dungeon. So that you could get the weapon you want rather than grind for years. I swear some things just don't drop regardless of how many times you run through a place.

Moonsorrow

I like the Endeavours, can get some cool stuff on the side eventually while playing like normally do anyways.

Nice to see it has some PVP related tasks also.

jaws343

Obsidian3 wrote: »

shalalaA7X wrote: »

Do I wish it took less days to be able to get radiants? Yes. Do I think that they are unrealistic? No because it is something for free.

It's not free...you're paying for it with time spent. Time that can be spent grinding for a Netchs Touch Lightning staff I have been grinding for, four years and still don't have...

You could have done three of the endeavours from today grinding for that Netchs Touch Staff. Humanoid enemies - Check. Chests to loot - Check. Class skills - Check.

Time spent playing the game and doing things you were already going to do is not really time spent.

Ratzkifal

shalalaA7X wrote: »

The game is a business. Expecting you to be able to earn everything easily for free is just like going to the store and expecting to get your items free.

@shalalaA7X Okay, then why introduce this feature at all? Why advertise as "everything is earnable now" when it's not? Nobody asked for Endeavors but obviously everyone loves the idea behind them.
Not to mention that without a feature like this, it would be pretty easy for crown crates to be labled as gambling and for the business to be shut down in several countries due to not complying with gambling laws.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Question: Will collected Seals of Endeavors ever expire or will your total amount carry over between crown crate seasons/when crate return?

@trackdemon5512 Previously they said they will not expire and will carry over between seasons.

Hurbster

Er, it's probably being done to so they can say there is an alternative way to earn items that are in the loot boxes.

shalalaA7X

The discussion wasn’t on if crown crates should be in the game.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

shalalaA7X wrote: »

The game is a business. Expecting you to be able to earn everything easily for free is just like going to the store and expecting to get your items free.

@shalalaA7X Okay, then why introduce this feature at all? Why advertise as "everything is earnable now" when it's not? Nobody asked for Endeavors but obviously everyone loves the idea behind them.
Not to mention that without a feature like this, it would be pretty easy for crown crates to be labled as gambling and for the business to be shut down in several countries due to not complying with gambling laws.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

The whole discussion wasn’t on whether or not crown crates should be in the game.

Fischblut

It's not free...you're paying for it with time spent.

It took me 5 minutes to complete today's Endeavors - and this is including some time for mobs to respawn, cause I've found a spot with only 8 humanoid enemies (needed 10)

While I'll always be angry and sad that old Radiant Apex mounts can be bought for gems/seals when their seasons return, I like this Endeavour system. It's free Radiant Apex mount every year It really couldn't be any better.

People who complain about seal prices, most likely expected to get all 3 Radiants every season for free Or at the very least 1 Radiant apex every season.

So many complaints about gem and seal prices of the rarest mounts... Instead of being very grateful that it's now possible to not only get Radiant Apex mount of choice, but also get it for free (if you are responsible in your seal savings). Radiant Apex mounts used to have great Collector's value, now they have very little Collector's value - let them keep at least part of their former rarity.

@ZOS_SarahHecker

Thank you for releasing this Seals option!

Reverb

I am reminded again that I just don’t experience life the way that most people seem to. I don’t see Endeavors as something to chase, but rather bonus rewards for things I would be doing anyway. Just me?

WiseSky

I love how for the longest time people wanted to earn LootBox Items...

And now that they can, it's not good enough for some.

Others Are Happy.

I am in the Happy group.

But if I could have it all I would want that we can earn 10K Endeavors per day so we can buy all of the items in the Lootboxes.

Blacknight841

Fischblut wrote: »

It's not free...you're paying for it with time spent.

It took me 5 minutes to complete today's Endeavors - and this is including some time for mobs to respawn, cause I've found a spot with only 8 humanoid enemies (needed 10)

While I'll always be angry and sad that old Radiant Apex mounts can be bought for gems/seals when their seasons return, I like this Endeavour system. It's free Radiant Apex mount every year It really couldn't be any better.

People who complain about seal prices, most likely expected to get all 3 Radiants every season for free Or at the very least 1 Radiant apex every season.

So many complaints about gem and seal prices of the rarest mounts... Instead of being very grateful that it's now possible to not only get Radiant Apex mount of choice, but also get it for free (if you are responsible in your seal savings). Radiant Apex mounts used to have great Collector's value, now they have very little Collector's value - let them keep at least part of their former rarity.

@ZOS_SarahHecker

Thank you for releasing this Seals option!

You missed adding a contingency:

“It’s a free radiant apex mounts every year” …. But only for those that play 267 days each year.

Marillea

The only one change I would like to see, is the Endeavour store having every single crown crate item available.
I can't imagine saving up for a year for that one item, just to then have to wait even more for it to come back.

The small tasks get completed either way without really trying, so can't complain about the seals amount.

AcadianPaladin

I did three endeavors today and have 60 of the new currency now. I went to the crown store and looked at the items there but I can't figure out how the new purchase ability works. I see how many crowns and crown gems I have and what the prices are (in those currencies) but how do I figure out what items are eligible for the new currency and what the price (in the new currency) is? I'm hoping it is just something simple that I'm not seeing.