Endeavors are Live

scorpius2k1

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I did three endeavors today and have 60 of the new currency now. I went to the crown store and looked at the items there but I can't figure out how the new purchase ability works. I see how many crowns and crown gems I have and what the prices are (in those currencies) but how do I figure out what items are eligible for the new currency and what the price (in the new currency) is? I'm hoping it is just something simple that I'm not seeing.

I think next to the Crown Store, there is a separate "Endeavors" section (if memory serves right from PTS, haven't logged today yet) if that's what you mean.

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Varana

Ratzkifal wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

I doubt anybody buys potions for gems, let alone will buy them for seals.

@FrancisCrawford That's the point. The potions are the lowest of the low. I know nobody is going to buy them, but the next best thing is already at 1000 seals and if we look at Knight-Aspirant, we have a 7000 seal package that you are physically unable to get within the duration of the entire crown crate season and that is when we exclude the 2000 seal helmets from the Epic Rewards tier.

I mean, what did you expect? The system just started - that they only put things up for sale that you could be bought with the currently available Seals? So in the first season, only potions and riding lessons?
Expecting this system to net you an apex mount and probably some other cool stuff on top of it every season, is kind of - sorry - ludicrous.

This is a replacement for throwing actual real money at ZOS. While you can buy the stuff with play time now, they'd rather have you fork over real money still. How much does you playing the game contribute to ZOS earning money? The rate, I fear, is not particularly favourable.

So what this is: a preview of how it will work out in after a while. You will not be able to buy that apex mount during this season. But you realise that you will be able to buy apex mounts eventually - so better start accumulating Seals.
If you really want that mount now - you can still get it. For real money.

AcadianPaladin

@scorpius2k1 thank you so much! Found it. I figured it was something simple I was overlooking.

Mesmerized1337

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

Nothing more to add!

Sirvaleen

As far as I am aware, we still don't know :

- the amount of seals we'll be able to get with the weekly tasks,
- if the amount of seals for the daily/weekly tasks will be constant.

Maybe, for once, we could wait to have all the data before complaining ?

Just a thought

ivelbob

The gem price for Radiant Apexes is stupid high. The drop rate is really rare. Are they going to make it a long time to earn in-game with seals? You betcha. I had zero expectations of ZOS devaluing this asset by turning it into a 2 or 3-month login reward.

Sure, this is just false scarcity created by a business. I can't begrudge them for trying to be a profitable enterprise.

I've seen other video game companies really abuse this sort of "earnable with in-game currency" model. I don't think this rises to that level. But your mileage may vary and that's fine if you think these prices are too much.

knighting68

They couldn't have just make it easy and give us crowns or crown gems as a reward instead of creating yet ANOTHER new game currency, that's capped at how many you are allowed to earn per day?

So for example I'd have to complete these daily tasks for 133 days (not sure how many the weekly give you) in order to afford a single mount; that's just not worth it to me and feels more like ZOS is trying to appease those who refuse to spend real money gambling.

Perhaps they can lift the cap to allow us to do all 5 dailies, or do them on multiple characters, or provide some optional harder dailies (outside of these basic ones) that give more of a reward? What am I missing?

I guess it's fine if you just ignore the system entirely, and every 6 months to a year you might something for free. That's what I'll do.

Beaverton

I have played for four years without a radiant apex mount. I think I can wait 6 more months. Thank you ZOS for giving me free stuff for things I already do.

Lugaldu

I wasn't interested in apex mounts before the endeavors either and that won't change now, so they're definitely not an incentive for me. But, as a person who loves to collect, I now feel some pressure to collect this currency. And to fulfill crafting dailies. And to increase the companion relationship through targeted activities. And I need to gather materials to build furnishings so that I can furnish my houses. And there are events, again to collect something special...
There are suddenly so many things that you could do on daily basis that it becomes almost stress. I actually want to play to forget all the duties of a working day, but instead there are more daily tasks waiting for me in the game. And yes, you could ignore it all and just do your quests or whatever, but it's not that easy, there remains a certain feeling that one is missing out on something.

Sirvaleen

Lugaldu wrote: »

I wasn't interested in apex mounts before the endeavors either and that won't change now, so they're definitely not an incentive for me. But, as a person who loves to collect, I now feel some pressure to collect this currency. And to fulfill crafting dailies. And to increase the companion relationship through targeted activities. And I need to gather materials to build furnishings so that I can furnish my houses. And there are events, again to collect something special...
There are suddenly so many things that you could do on daily basis that it becomes almost stress. I actually want to play to forget all the duties of a working day, but instead there are more daily tasks waiting for me in the game. And yes, you could ignore it all and just do your quests or whatever, but it's not that easy, there remains a certain feeling that one is missing out on something.

I can understand the feeling, but whatever you do you'll be missing out on lot of things. We're humans, not bots.

Having lot of activities to choose from can be pretty fun if you don't try to have it all/do it all but chill and enjoy while doing what you feel like doing... and what you want to do can even sometimes coincide with what that little stressed voice (that sounds clearly like Stuga) tells you that you should be doing

Sylvermynx

Reverb wrote: »

I am reminded again that I just don’t experience life the way that most people seem to. I don’t see Endeavors as something to chase, but rather bonus rewards for things I would be doing anyway. Just me?

You're not alone @Reverb.

khyrkat

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

Microsoft doesn't want loot boxes. In an illusion that they comply, ZOS created system that will bring them even more money as there is no way to farm seals efficiently so people will spend money on shiny things. "Heeeey you can get it for free! Just grind for nearly a year for stuff that we remove from store after a month! Oh, you haven't got all seals? No worries, you can buy crown crates still!" It's normal corporation business. From marketing and law side - excellent move. From human side - there are no words I would use without getting my post censored

Goregrinder

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I am reminded again that I just don’t experience life the way that most people seem to. I don’t see Endeavors as something to chase, but rather bonus rewards for things I would be doing anyway. Just me?

You're not alone @Reverb.

That's honestly what they are, a bonus for already doing things you would normally be doing. But you know how it is, it's never enough. Even if ZOS gave away apex radiant mounts to everyone with no grind or money amount attached, people would then complain that they're not unique anymore since everyone has the same mount they do.

Goregrinder

khyrkat wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

Microsoft doesn't want loot boxes. In an illusion that they comply, ZOS created system that will bring them even more money as there is no way to farm seals efficiently so people will spend money on shiny things. "Heeeey you can get it for free! Just grind for nearly a year for stuff that we remove from store after a month! Oh, you haven't got all seals? No worries, you can buy crown crates still!" It's normal corporation business. From marketing and law side - excellent move. From human side - there are no words I would use without getting my post censored

How would you stay in business if all you did was gave free samples to everyone? You wouldn't.

zaria

Lugaldu wrote: »

I wasn't interested in apex mounts before the endeavors either and that won't change now, so they're definitely not an incentive for me. But, as a person who loves to collect, I now feel some pressure to collect this currency. And to fulfill crafting dailies. And to increase the companion relationship through targeted activities. And I need to gather materials to build furnishings so that I can furnish my houses. And there are events, again to collect something special...
There are suddenly so many things that you could do on daily basis that it becomes almost stress. I actually want to play to forget all the duties of a working day, but instead there are more daily tasks waiting for me in the game. And yes, you could ignore it all and just do your quests or whatever, but it's not that easy, there remains a certain feeling that one is missing out on something.

Agree, now if I won one I would use it but its not something i'm very interested in.
I'm mostly after outfits and decorations also cool mementos or emotes, the crocheting one is an must

Lord_Nikon

I’d like to see the cap removed so we can do all 5 endeavours if we want.

PigofSteel

WeerW3ir wrote: »

wow... so 100 per day. that means you need 10 day to get a Superior item without weekly. WOW! no thx...

Its 60 per day.

KashyyyK240

I literally read the title as "Endeavors are Lie" and it doesn't feel less true when you see the joke seal prices of everything.
Seeing this disgusting free 2 play mobile tactic in my beautiful PAY 2 PLAY ESO is damn right disrespectful to the whole community.

You first pay for the game, then you pay monthly for a set of crutches because the game is designed around you not being able to take big leaps without them. Then they announce you might start getting a crumble of free store content if you put the time into doing your dailies and think this is the best game until you realise that it's only a method to frustrate you into paying some more cash.

For all the people saying this is FREE, if it ain't getting paid from your credit card it doesn't mean it's free. You're spending time for it, like for all the other "free" stuff in ESO. Take buying crowns with in-game gold for example, gathering all that gold is time consuming and with market inflation, the time cost is increasing more and more.

These seals won't change anything unless you play this on a daily basis and even then, it will only leave a bitter taste in your mouth and fill you with dismay realising that ESO will never become something more than a successful business plan.

cynicalbutterfly

I was happy to see endeavors hit until I saw what they did with it...
I was like oh yay 5 new daily quests to do for free stuff! Then I saw we're limited to 3 of the 5. :wut:
But still I was like I can work with this! No problemo~
Then I saw the cost of seals for each item. :wut:

I play every day but it would take me all year just to get enough seals for one of the lower tier items in the store. I mean I get it, It's supposed to be hard to get the items. We're supposed to work for the goodies. I understand that. I really do. But seriously? Did you have to make it so that we have to do these things religiously every day to even come close to getting anything? No you didn't ZoS. You basically threw us a bone on a string and yanked it away.

At this point, I'm really hoping the weekly tasks give more than just 20 seals. A heck of a lot more than just 60 too. Won't find out till next week but my happiness over this new system is dwindling fast ._.

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO

Ratzkifal wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

One daily should worth 50 instead of 20.

That would help, but even then that's 106 days for a Radiant Apex, so not enough time to get it within a crate season.
If we take the 16000 seals value and divide it by 91 days (the length of the Ayleid Crate season) 176 per day and that assumes the single Radiant Apex is all we are getting with seals from that season. So with the 50 per day a weekly Endeavour would have to give 182.
Currently a weekly Endeavor would have to give almost 840 seals for you to be able to get a single Radiant Apex.

The problem is, if I like the Radiant Apex this season but can't get it within this season and I don't know if I will like next season's Radiant Apex at all to the point that I would have to forego buying anything else from the current season, gambling that I will like next season's mount, to get one at all.

Good point that it would be nice to get one radiant apex within a season. They should make you decide though.

I disagree about gambling however.. the datamines come out months before the crates arrive, so if you're actually interested the info has always been there.

kargen27

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So you are telling me I need to do endeavors for 6 days just to be able to buy 5 potions?
ZOS, I get the feeling our time is not being valued here.

Why are you even selling the Radiant Apex mounts for Seals of Endeavor at all? Nobody is going to have 16000 seals (that takes 267 days!) before the next crown crate season replaces this one.

Unless the Weekly Endeavors are crazy good in value compared to the daily ones - which I doubt - this system is just an illusion of being player friendly.

It is something you get for free basically doing what you would be doing anyway.

jaws343

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There is nothing wrong with gambling. Nothing wrong with it just because it falls outside your moral compass. People need to stop trying to impart their morality on others. If you don't want to partake in it then don't. And myself and others who don't mind spending money on frivolous actions can continue to do so without nonsensical shaming.

And all these people acting like this is some travesty are ridiculous. They are literally giving away free content for just logging into the game and doing normal things for 5 minutes a day. Oh the horror. How dare they give something for free that may take too long.

Y'all act like gou hate this game soo much. Really hard to see why half the people complaining about this even play it any more. Wouldn't you be happy doing something other than playing something that is clearly disliked.

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Rescorla_ESO

newtinmpls wrote: »

Anyone know if making furnishings counts for the blacksmith crafting?

I created 4 iron swords and got completion credit.

omnidoh

shalalaA7X wrote: »

Do I wish it took less days to be able to get radiants? Yes. Do I think that they are unrealistic? No because it is something for free.

People fail to realize that none of this is "free". We're basically paying ZOS to get things that we otherwise would have to pay them more for, and the cost is time which equates to money.
The reason for the ratio is probably to permit ZOS to absorb the lost profit which they otherwise would have obtained from crown crates.

ZOS is basically trading 6 of 1 for half-dozen of another. It's a psyop tactic to incentivise more participation in order to present the narrative of potential up-sales to the shareholders. Lost "potential" revenue is weighted the same as lost actual revenue.
Business-101.
FOMO, FUD, and every other acronym that has to do with profit.

Nothing to see here people, move along.

jaws343

omnidoh wrote: »

shalalaA7X wrote: »

Do I wish it took less days to be able to get radiants? Yes. Do I think that they are unrealistic? No because it is something for free.

People fail to realize that none of this is "free". We're basically paying ZOS to get things that we otherwise would have to pay them more for, and the cost is time which equates to money.
The reason for the ratio is probably to permit ZOS to absorb the lost profit which they otherwise would have obtained from crown crates.

Time isn't a relevant cost if you were going to play the game anyways. And if you are only playing to earn seals then what are you even playing for anymore?

Ackwalan

The crafting one worked fine for. The kill humanoids was kind of wonky. It was not counting up, but suddenly it completed. I guess it was just a UI error.

omnidoh

jaws343 wrote: »

Time isn't a relevant cost if you were going to play the game anyways. And if you are only playing to earn seals then what are you even playing for anymore?

Precisely.
There really is no point to it. ZOS should have just adjusted their business model such that customers can outright buy crown items. The whole problem is due to the psychology behind monetized gambling. ZOS is just back-pedaling now.

jaws343

omnidoh wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Time isn't a relevant cost if you were going to play the game anyways. And if you are only playing to earn seals then what are you even playing for anymore?

Precisely.
There really is no point to it. ZOS should have just adjusted their business model such that customers can outright buy crown items. The whole problem is due to the psychology behind monetized gambling. ZOS is just back-pedaling now.

My point was these are fine and the people complaining that they are not free because they spend time in the game are ridiculous.

Nowa133

Well... its more 'sane' to get the same appex mount with gold by trading for crowns. Less time-consuming, even now. I don't even know where they were with their heads to decide that type of a plan...

Xaramasa

Are the purchasable crown store items with seals just crate items? I hope they consider other stuff like costumes or account items like skill line unlocks, etc.

I'd like to think that this is just a bonus for playing the game, but I do agree that the prices are a bit high. Seconding the suggestion that they remove the daily 3 cap. That might ease things a bit. =/