Proc sets were nerfed due to pve

NoodleESO

Zos should really make a comment on this because its really turning the player base on themselves at this point. Guilds are going to start excluding and shaming pvp if this continues, Ive already seen it start to happen since the Elsweyr chapter.

Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve. Too many people were complaining the game is too easy and you can run vet dungeons with 3-4 DDs or even solo them, this is an mmo, light attack builds and solo builds have no place in group content so now you actually have to have a well rounded group to finish the content at the same pace.

No one in pvp was complaining about proc sets being overpowered, there were only 3. Crimson, malacath, and vatashan staff, Zos could have just toned them down but the constant nerfs to Crit and the minimum 6400 sd/wp are indicators these changes were for pve since, 6400 damage should be still easily achievable in pve with a healer and a tank buffing the damage dealers.

The frustration is understandable but the hating on the fellow players is creating a culture I'm not proud to be a part of, we pvp players contribute to the game just as much.

VaranisArano

Er, PVP players were totally complaining about Proc sets. Have been for a long time, and not just for those few sets. If it's the meta, and it's a proc set, PVPers have complained about it.


What the complainers miss is that if ZOS wanted to change proc sets in PVP for PVP reasons, they have Battlespirit for that. You know, like they used battle spirit to nerf health recovery in PVP without nerfing it in PVE? ZOS can use Battlespirit when they want to.

That they did not use Battlespirit to change proc sets in PVP only argues that proc sets were changed in PVE for PVE reasons, in addition to the PVP changes for PVP reasons.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I am so confused by this post. You dont want the blaming game to be played, but your title blames the entire nerf on PVE.

As someone that plays both PVE and PVP, I assure you, people have been complaining about procs in PVP since Vipers Sting was OP like 5 years ago.

colossalvoids

You should read up zos comments on that matters, it's pvp related this time. It's still a major dev fault and not pvpers to blame here for sure.

iksde

NoodleESO wrote: »

Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve. Too many people were complaining the game is too easy and you can run vet dungeons with 3-4 DDs or even solo them, this is an mmo, light attack builds and solo builds have no place in group content so now you actually have to have a well rounded group to finish the content at the same pace.

lol? noone in these 3-4dd runs in dungs (vet ofc) was using proc dmg setc, any "proc setc" was used for these runs was buffs sets like BSW, no proc set is good enough for good players with 3-4dd run dungs like stat sets for good enough players, exception can be mosnter sets but even here slimecraw is more efficient if you dont have minor berserk buffs from skill slotted or healer giving this buff

PizzaCat82

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was PVP players and even ZOS saying that PVP players preferred no proc sets.

You might want to look for that official word yourself

Everest_Lionheart

iksde wrote: »

NoodleESO wrote: »

Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve. Too many people were complaining the game is too easy and you can run vet dungeons with 3-4 DDs or even solo them, this is an mmo, light attack builds and solo builds have no place in group content so now you actually have to have a well rounded group to finish the content at the same pace.

lol? noone in these 3-4dd runs in dungs (vet ofc) was using proc dmg setc, any "proc setc" was used for these runs was buffs sets like BSW, no proc set is good enough for good players with 3-4dd run dungs like stat sets for good enough players, exception can be mosnter sets but even here slimecraw is more efficient if you dont have minor berserk buffs from skill slotted or healer giving this buff

Half the fights 2x 1pc crit outperforms everything and even the BiS mag helmet Zaan’s was only worth it for boss fights and even then the proc was unreliable.

Now regarding 5pc proc sets, pretty much anyone bringing those to any serious runs would get booted from most any group in PvE unless it’s you and 3 buddies running procs for the lols.

karekiz

OP is correct. [snip]

[Edit for Bait.]

Selminus

NoodleESO wrote: »

Zos should really make a comment on this because its really turning the player base on themselves at this point. Guilds are going to start excluding and shaming pvp if this continues, Ive already seen it start to happen since the Elsweyr chapter.

Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve. Too many people were complaining the game is too easy and you can run vet dungeons with 3-4 DDs or even solo them, this is an mmo, light attack builds and solo builds have no place in group content so now you actually have to have a well rounded group to finish the content at the same pace.

No one in pvp was complaining about proc sets being overpowered, there were only 3. Crimson, malacath, and vatashan staff, Zos could have just toned them down but the constant nerfs to Crit and the minimum 6400 sd/wp are indicators these changes were for pve since, 6400 damage should be still easily achievable in pve with a healer and a tank buffing the damage dealers.

The frustration is understandable but the hating on the fellow players is creating a culture I'm not proud to be a part of, we pvp players contribute to the game just as much.

You have it completely backwards. They were nerfed bc people were legit insta dying in pvp from multiple players

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

You haven't been keeping up with the forums in pvp much lately, I take it?

TequilaFire

They were nerfed because the devs wanted to nerf them.
People were just face rolling content.
Guess what, you still can.

azjuwelz

This thread is going to be nerfed so fast. 😂

Starlight_Whisper

It was pvp

Elo106

Stop complaining about nerf being due to this or that player, its the devs/designers that do it, we have 0 communication to them.

No one asked for dark cloak nerf yet it was nerfed. We all asked for a green CP rework, nothing so far.
Bug reports and suggestions for PTS go live as is. They dont listen to us unless it suits their plan already set in motion.
A nerf or buff is pure luck and coincidence.

We have either no or very, very little influence on anything here

Fennwitty

Did OP mix up PvP and PvE?

Proc sets were only problematic in PvP situations. Nobody cared at all about them in PvE, if anything they were too weak to be useful.

eovogtb16_ESO

What PvEr is wearing proc sets for Pve...I pug a lot of random vets and I have never seen one. Even if they were to wear any proc set the damage would be terrible. I cant think of any good proc set for PvE. The only hate I have ever seen about proc sets were related to PvP.

NeillMcAttack

PvErs mostly use what a website tell them to use, same with PvP but not to the same extent really. And if anything, procs were buffed in PVE, not for solo PvE sure, but when you have 4 players with two supports, it’s easy to pass that cap.

The changes were made because this is an MMO and stats should matter. That is really all there is to it. Stop with this nonsense!

Iselin

That's quite the revisionist take.

As someone who has been here from the start and has done a lot of both, PVE and PVP, I have a very distinct and accurate memory of the vast majority of complaints about proc sets being from PVP - typically because someone got one shot by one attack that procced 3 other things and they started a thread with death recap screens.

No one cares enough about the damage we do to others - mobs or players - to call for nerfs. It's when the damage is done to you that gets some outraged and they take to the forums.

ssewallb14_ESO

This post reads like it's from some alternate reality where Wrobel never left or something.

ApoAlaia

If you are looking for someone to blame look no further than the imaginary players that ask the devs to make changes that the devs were already intending to implement.

It is uncanny how the wishes of the former align with the actions of the latter, a more cynical me may even be tempted to think that they are one and the same.

fred4

NoodleESO wrote: »

Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve. Too many people were complaining the game is too easy and you can run vet dungeons with 3-4 DDs or even solo them.

It doesn't take procs to solo (some) vet dungeons, unless you count arena weapons and Pale Order as procs. Soloing is only really for fun, though. For example, if you're farming, there is a strong incentive to do it with a group so you can swap uncollected items with each other.

Larcomar

I read this and had to check it was the 1st of June. Not the 1 of April... I don't know if it's intended to be tongue in cheek, a troll, or just some serious gaslighting but I got a laugh out of it.

As other's have said, you really ought to read the forums before posting stuff like this. Five minutes browsing the pvp section would have disabused you of the notion that "No one in pvp was complaining about proc sets being overpowered..."

As you obviously don't read them, here are some links you might want to check out. It took me about two minutes to dig these up; there's *way* more if you go further back. This was almost a concerted campign.
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/572944/eso-the-proc-plague/p1
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/566171/player-vs-procs
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562027/please-keep-procs-out-of-pvp-even-if-the-test-doesnt-satisfy/p1
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/549215/proc-sets-are-overpowered/p1
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/549666/pvp-is-trash-with-proc-sets
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/554502/nerf-proc-sets-please
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546249/to-many-proc-sets-needs-a-nerf

Hell, they've only been back on one day and people are already lobbying to turn them off again.....
- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/575454/alright-update-was-cute-you-can-turn-proc-sets-off-again-now#latest

And no, they weren't just complaining about 3 sets - "Crimson, malacath, and vatashan staff" You obviously missed the sheer venom hate. The venemous smite hate. Caluurion? I could go on. Basically, if a pvp'r got killed by something that shows in a death recap, I guarantee you there's a post whining it's "OP" and needs a nerf.

The idea that "Proc sets were nerfed due to their over performance in pve" is so laughable that I won't bother. I'm guessing you don't do much pve. I think other's have covered, but find me people running these outside of normal / overland content. If you ran damage proc sets in a vet group you'd prob get kicked.

I'm not saying that it's pvp's fault. I am - or was - a pvp'r. I think that what probably happened here is an unfortunate combination of small but highly vocal group of players complaining and a lazy developer that didn't want bad press and couldn't be bothered to fix the real problem. But the idea that "No one in pvp was complaining about proc sets being overpowered" is ridiculous. There was a concerted campaign by a very vocal group of pvp's - who probably run wardens and necros - to get them nerfed.

axi

Can't say if serious [snip]

[edited for baiting]

AuraStorm43

People didn’t even use procs in pve much last patch, 2 pc crit monster sets is the way to go

Relequen exists but stams in a bad spot and its only good on bosses, Zaan’s mostly just a dummy humping set, BSW is only really used by some people in vcr portals

Procs have been underperforming in PVE for awhile, the issues always been high damage heavy armor proc setups with malacath in PVP

Iluvrien

I prefer to say that things were nerfed due to endgame.

That way I have all bases covered.

Lord_Nikon

We need to get a judges order to force PVP to remain at least 500 feet from any PVE...

In all seriousness they really need to separate the PVP damage and adjustments from PVE.

Anachronia

Proc sets were a problem in both PVE and PVP, and probably still a problem. If people have too much DPS in PVE, they are able to skip mechanics, which to my knowledge is not intended for balancing drops and achievements. PVP I do not know enough about really, just know that I am bad at it, and only tried it out occasionally for battlegrounds or skyshard hunting.

JanTanhide

Def not due to PVE. This one is all PVP.

The_Lex

Some thoughts...

1) ZOS is often very reactionary to loud complaints

2) ZOS' approach to set/combat balance is either buffing to unbelievable levels of OP or nerfing into Oblivion.

3) Stam procs are still blowing up people in PvP. Stam characters are running Caalurions and Zaan to great effect.

4) Mag procs in PvE are useless.

5) ZOS has no one who works exclusively on PvP combat anymore (at least, not a person they've announced)

6) PvPers and PvEers rarely think about the game beyond their chosen sphere of content

Icaruzs

PVP ruining PVE as always

ThePedge

Proc sets were buffed for PvE, because of a nerf to PvP.