Eso... the proc plague.

Mr_Gallows

The game just plays better without procs. But the company has made procs, they make money from procs and do not want to fix the game, because really... it does not matter to them what plays best.

That is clear from the way they have handled the game and the completely silly things they have put into the game.

Free damage... why wouldn't you want it? It sells really well and the kids love it.

Procs make a decent game garbage.

Oh and this thread is most likely offensive... because it does not support the story that procs are ok.

Procs are not ok. They are a festering plague, eating away at the gameplay of eso.

Just can't go back to having to run those BS auto pilot builds. So dumb that they do not just balance PvP and PvE seperately and let proc sets be a PvE thing.

Edit: just saw in another thread that no proc cyrodiil may stay as a seperate campaign. If that is true it is great.

rbfrgsp

As long as you accept that you are a part of the highly vocal minority, then you are more than welcome to your opinion and to your own campaign server in the future.

But you must also acknowledge that cyro has been decimated by the current test. It's not even half full, it's at about 10-20% of its previous population on PC EU most of the day. It is truly sad what they have done to their own game: using a piledriver to crack a nut.

There were about 3-5 truly overtuned sets that could have been resolved easily as case-by-case, but they chose to switch off everything and alienate almost every player. The only players I ever see in cyro now are the diehards who are always on and would continue to play cyro during a nuclear holocaust.

Jameson18

rbfrgsp wrote: »

As long as you accept that you are a part of the highly vocal minority, then you are more than welcome to your opinion and to your own campaign server in the future.

But you must also acknowledge that cyro has been decimated by the current test. It's not even half full, it's at about 10-20% of its previous population on PC EU most of the day. It is truly sad what they have done to their own game: using a piledriver to crack a nut.

There were about 3-5 truly overtuned sets that could have been resolved easily as case-by-case, but they chose to switch off everything and alienate almost every player. The only players I ever see in cyro now are the diehards who are always on and would continue to play cyro during a nuclear holocaust.

I never had a wait time to get into GH on Xbox NA prior to the no proc phase. Just saying.

rbfrgsp

Maybe they cut population cap recently? PC EU on weekend primetime typically had queues of 25-50 people prior to the test. Last six weeks when I've logged in late I have been given a queue of three people, and yet it's instant for me to get in. Almost like the UI is displaying a queue that is not there.

Jameson18

rbfrgsp wrote: »

Maybe they cut population cap recently? PC EU on weekend primetime typically had queues of 25-50 people prior to the test. Last six weeks when I've logged in late I have been given a queue of three people, and yet it's instant for me to get in. Almost like the UI is displaying a queue that is not there.

Its possible? Could just be a demographic as well.

In general, Cyro is much busier for us when we go since the change. I even see bars filled in on the other campaigns here and there, when there never would be before. Also seems, as one would expect, to have kicked up IC and BG on Xbox also. BG que times are decent. Not always playing against the same people etc. That could just be the newish que system to. IC isn't a ghost town. Of course its also full of Vateshran and Zaan beams to. But hey! There's people in there. lol.

In a nutshell, for my friends and I, the whole thing worked out quite well.

geonsocal

rbfrgsp wrote: »

There were about 3-5 truly overtuned sets that could have been resolved easily as case-by-case, but they chose to switch off everything and alienate almost every player.

this, so much...

rbfrgsp wrote: »

The only players I ever see in cyro now are the diehards who are always on and would continue to play cyro during a nuclear holocaust.

hmmmm, I seem to resemble this remark

Waffennacht

I believe gameplay with no procs are only enjoyable if you play within the confines of the class design.

I do not enjoy playing within the confines of class design

I do not like limiting sorcs to only burst damage DDs, or NBs to gankers, Dks to tanks, etc

Gilvoth

the same thing is being said about animation canceling.
proc sets do almost nothing in my opinion, other than adding a variety of choices in builds.

SirAndy

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

The game just plays better without procs

Goregrinder

Having been playing this game since one of the Beta's in 2013, we started with stat sets, so I'd have no problems finishing the game with just stat sets. I'd rather let me hands and fingers do all of the talking in PVP anyways.

Pattceht

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

Zabagad

Pattceht wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

I would be happy if they give us all sets back - except "free damage" and "free heeling".
Maybe another exception from that rule: monster sets and mystic should be allowed, but I'm ok if not.

I guess they have problems to program that, but if they could do that, they could buff the "free ..." sets easy for PvE only and PvP has a lot of build options and theory crafting and not only 19 sets.
But unfortunately they choose the complicated and unbalanced sd/wd way which is bad for PvE + mag PvP and good for stam PvP.

gariondavey

Ravenwatch no cp on pc na is pop locked almost every night during weeknight and definitely on weekends

Waffennacht

Zabagad wrote: »

Pattceht wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

I would be happy if they give us all sets back - except "free damage" and "free heeling".
Maybe another exception from that rule: monster sets and mystic should be allowed, but I'm ok if not.

I guess they have problems to program that, but if they could do that, they could buff the "free ..." sets easy for PvE only and PvP has a lot of build options and theory crafting and not only 19 sets.
But unfortunately they choose the complicated and unbalanced sd/wd way which is bad for PvE + mag PvP and good for stam PvP.

This

pdebie64b16_ESO

Pattceht wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

No proc setting is: heavy armor, high health +regen, high resists, unkillable sorcs, necro and wardens, limited sets and no diversity at all.

Try to be different with a high dps/glasscanon build brings you nowere in this setting. Cyro is in its worse state since 2014.

Grebcol

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Pattceht wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

No proc setting is: heavy armor, high health +regen, high resists, unkillable sorcs, necro and wardens, limited sets and no diversity at all.

Try to be different with a high dps/glasscanon build brings you nowere in this setting. Cyro is in its worse state since 2014.

Thats only because those classes are superior.

Rhaegar75

the combination of proc sets and uber (dare I say P2W) classes has got me bored to death and I can't wait for the day I will play a BG and I will be in a BG without merciless charge spammers or high health wardens spamming their twitchy healing skill

Waffennacht

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

the combination of proc sets and uber (dare I say P2W) classes has got me bored to death and I can't wait for the day I will play a BG and I will be in a BG without merciless charge spammers or high health wardens spamming their twitchy healing skill

Merciless got thrashed so hard

Rhaegar75

Waffennacht wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

the combination of proc sets and uber (dare I say P2W) classes has got me bored to death and I can't wait for the day I will play a BG and I will be in a BG without merciless charge spammers or high health wardens spamming their twitchy healing skill

Merciless got thrashed so hard

I had an internal celebration!! it was about time they nerfed it especially considering the toxic sinergy with other damage procs

Pattceht

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Pattceht wrote: »

Everyone I've spoken to would be more than happy to not see the free damage sets come back.

Gameplay right now is best it has ever been, for me. Really not looking forward to my death recap just been Syvarra's, hunters venom etc when proccs return.

No proc setting is: heavy armor, high health +regen, high resists, unkillable sorcs, necro and wardens, limited sets and no diversity at all.

Try to be different with a high dps/glasscanon build brings you nowere in this setting. Cyro is in its worse state since 2014.

And what was it before unkillable tanks with insane damage from a LA + skill.

I agree wardens/necro are overtuned but not sure what that has to do with procc sets.

Also are you sure heavy armor is still the meta? My tank gets obliterated by mag damage dealers at the moment. I also just switched a mag char that was previously wearing 5 heavy to 5 light and the gameplay is waaay superior. Lost a bit of survivability but the damage more than makes up for that.

Xargas13

It started as a frustration, but it turned into a long break from PvP. The reason is, I'm tired of dying to Zaan and other proc sets, it's the dumbest gameplay ever, it turned into COD where you press left mouse button continuously (don't know about consoles) to win. And I would try zerg fest map, but it's only 19 sets, so I don't even bother. Proc sets should never be a thing in PvP, and I'm talking about main offenders, not stat procs.

Rhaegar75

Xargas13 wrote: »

It started as a frustration, but it turned into a long break from PvP. The reason is, I'm tired of dying to Zaan and other proc sets, it's the dumbest gameplay ever, it turned into COD where you press left mouse button continuously (don't know about consoles) to win. And I would try zerg fest map, but it's only 19 sets, so I don't even bother. Proc sets should never be a thing in PvP, and I'm talking about main offenders, not stat procs.

I'm in BGs just to get my daily quests done and to test new sets but the enjoyment is very limited for the same reasons you outlined.

However...give Cyro a go cause it is really good fun! Yes, wardens and Necros are still broken but it's not a proc fest crap

DontWorryAboutit

Relying on a set for damage and survivabilty not only means bad players are crutching but pvp progress becomes diminished to a slow boring skill-less fight. Summerset onward to current has been the worst for pvp.

Proc sets = no skill required.... The bigger zergs always win.

PigofSteel

I hope there is no proc campaign.

Waffennacht

@PigofSteel there will be for PC at blackwood. As for consoles; it may happen in the future

Zabagad

Waffennacht wrote: »

@PigofSteel there will be for PC at blackwood. As for consoles; it may happen in the future

Are you sure? (If I even understand what you mean, because I was never sure he wants a "no-proc campaign" or he wants no "proc-campaign" and so I'm not 100% sure about your "there will be" either )

If I remember correctly the new no-proc campaign was scheduled for U31 and I didn't find any hint in the U30 patch notes to think otherwise.

Rhaegar75

it's a shame if they divide the campaigns because in fairness the process that are overperforming are probably 10 to 15 tops...maybe less even?!?

Fix them and any stupid uber set synergy and then the job is done

Waffennacht

@Zabagad its from a gina quote I cant immediately find. Someone else turned me onto it. If you REALLY want it; I will find it for you.

But she said there will be both a proc enabled campaign and a non proc enabled campaign on PC ESO when Blackwood launches. She then said there will only be proc enabled campaigns on console when blackwood launches; however a non proc enabled campaign may be introduced in the future.

Zabagad

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Zabagad its from a gina quote I cant immediately find. Someone else turned me onto it. If you REALLY want it; I will find it for you.

But she said there will be both a proc enabled campaign and a non proc enabled campaign on PC ESO when Blackwood launches. She then said there will only be proc enabled campaigns on console when blackwood launches; however a non proc enabled campaign may be introduced in the future.

No ty, not necessary for me

I just want to prevent you to be disapointed when there is no no-proc campaign coming with U30.
I'm no native speaker and I'm not enough in these english forums, so may I missed something?
My latest information was this:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

With the Update 30 launch, we will then re-enable all item set bonuses in Cyrodiil alongside some additional planned proc set work (we'll provide details in the Update 30 Combat Preview). In Update 31, we still plan to add more flexibility and customizable campaign rulesets as it relates to item sets, and we will be able to fine tune which proc sets we turn on and off.

from here

and I understood that as:
U30: Procs back on, with work on the rules/sets before
U31: more flexible campaigns - e.g. maybe different campaigns with different rulesets.

And as I said - I would expect these different campaigns on the PTS if they were coming with U30...

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

Procs make a decent game garbage.

I would say that unbalanced procs make the game garbage.

The build variety is nice. I'll always come down on the side of more options, as opposed to fewer.

But, I agree that the FREE damage is the problem. As they currently stand, some proc sets aren't worth the time spent farming them, and others are so overpowered that they've broken the game for a long time.

I have faith that ZOS can get the balance right.

Larcomar

Mr_Gallows wrote: »

Free damage... why wouldn't you want it? It sells really well and the kids love it.Procs make a decent game garbage.

I love how, if people put on sets that boost their weapon damage by x bazillion so they can spam d-swing's all day long for 12k, it's "skill" and they're pvp gods.

But if someone else puts on a set that procs a dot effect so their d-swings only do 8k, but has say a 1400 per sec dot attached that any half decent player will purge, it's "free damage" and they're no skill loser.

Way I look at it, unless you're playing naked, you're getting free damage too. You just prefer your free damage to come in a different form. That's a perfectly valid choice, but hardly justifies denigrating people who prefer to build another way.

It's certainly true to say that *some* proc sets were overtuned in the past, but I think that list is way smaller than people make out. I wish people would stop claiming anything that kills them is OP and calling for nerfs.

I get it's frustrating get killed by other players, but, well, it's pvp... If you don't want to die, don't do it.

Personally, I'd rather have the variety than be limited to 19 sets. While some classes, eg magsorc work well stacking raw stats, and others eg warden do ok stacking wpn damage, classes like say dk work better with proc dmg than stat builds.