PvP is trash with proc sets.

Berchelous

One click kill button: Proc Sets.
50k hp god tank: Proc sets.
Lag: Proc sets.
0 brain pvp: Proc sets
Even gankblade is: Proc&Cloak


If you make proc sets at least give all classes a cheap purge option to cleanse these procs. Also putting a cooldown on these procs should not be hard.

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfi6k7LifY

Artorias24

Proc sets are really not healthy for pvp at all.

You can build super tanky and still deal damage or go for a DD setup and deal an insane amount of damage.

Proc set builds are clearly superior to normal stat builds wich is super sad. Skill dies in PvP and one button click playstyles get more dominant. Sad but ZOS pushes out more of this for whatever type of reason.

gatekeeper13

90% of the time I go with Bone Pirate - NMA in my bow nightblade because I ve reached a point now where I ve started to dislike proc sets. Everyone uses them so much that Cyro stopped being PVP. Instead, it's Sets vs Sets.

But what is funnier, is that in BGs I was killed by a player who wore Sheer+Syvarra and then he tbag me. Only thing he did was spam Poison Injection and then Cloak, waiting for his sets to kill me (they did more than 80% of dmg). After a while, I killed him and tbag him back. And then he whispered me, calling me "useless 1-skill player" when he was the one spamming 1 skill and using proc sets. I mean, not only these sets ruin PVP but also give the illusion to bad/mediocre players that they are actually good.

To be honest, where I do use proc sets 100% of the time is when defending a keep against massive zergs of stacked enemies because the aoe dmg. Really helps with defending and completing 40 player quest fast.

olsborg

Procc-pvp is dead boring.

Flaaklypa

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

90% of the time I go with Bone Pirate - NMA in my bow nightblade because I ve reached a point now where I ve started to dislike proc sets. Everyone uses them so much that Cyro stopped being PVP. Instead, it's Sets vs Sets.

But what is funnier, is that in BGs I was killed by a player who wore Sheer+Syvarra and then he tbag me. Only thing he did was spam Poison Injection and then Cloak, waiting for his sets to kill me (they did more than 80% of dmg). After a while, I killed him and tbag him back. And then he whispered me, calling me "useless 1-skill player" when he was the one spamming 1 skill and using proc sets. I mean, not only these sets ruin PVP but also give the illusion to bad/mediocre players that they are actually good.

To be honest, where I do use proc sets 100% of the time is when defending a keep against massive zergs of stacked enemies because the aoe dmg. Really helps with defending and completing 40 player quest fast. :-)

lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.

gatekeeper13

frontend wrote: »

lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.

Let him live in his fantasy world.

Flaaklypa

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

frontend wrote: »

lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.

Let him live in his fantasy world.

Yeah. but as you said, i have spoken with him a couple more times, he genuinelly believes he is a skilled player. Its just sad really, the current state of pvp.

Ragnaroek93

Idea of proc sets is good but the implementation is absolutely horrible. They either need a damage nerf, making them unstackable (or let them scale with dmg/stats), it needs to be harder to apply them or more counterplay.

Not gonna lie tho, lots of classes would be complete garbage without them (the ones which don't have access to dodge/block/heal counters). Give us good dots again (not the ones which were completely overbuffed for one patch) and give classes access to defile again too (especially since it's getting nerfed). Otherwise the only competitive classes would be stamcro, stamden and magsorc.

Iselin

If PvP were naked with no classes, skills, gear, weapons or groups, PvPers would still find something to complain about.

It has always been and will always be this way.

NeillMcAttack

Iselin wrote: »

If PvP were naked with no classes, skills, gear, weapons or groups, PvPers would still find something to complain about.

It has always been and will always be this way.

Go back to the top of general discussion and count the PvE complaints against the PvP ones one more time. The results might shock you.

Kurat

Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.

BaiterOfZergs

Kurat wrote: »

Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.

It doesn’t help casuals because casuals will get destroyed by experienced players using the same sets.

relentless_turnip

Kurat wrote: »

Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.

What will casuals do when the meta changes and proc sets are *** again? They will have wasted a whole patch not learning to play the game. They are in for a shock when they realise they have to use more than just poison inject.

relentless_turnip

Do you like my new build?

You have to be super skilled to use it:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=284300

ImSoPro

Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?

Theignson

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Do you like my new build?

You have to be super skilled to use it:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=284300

Great build except critical charge now desyncs you for 5-10 seconds and you get killed while you can use no abilties and do no actions, everytime!

I agree about proc sets, though. On the other hand I see all the usual "unkillable tanks" dissolving these days. Also many good players are running these sets and they still beta noobs with prc most of the time

JamieAubrey

2 bad its what everyone is running

I myself are now running Mad Tink and Caluuran's with Maw monster helm

Sergykid

i find people that do not use proc sets to be just as strong if not stronger.
also the problem in pvp is that stam is busted af. Perma rolling is impossible to hit especially for specs like magnb. And some people seem like they never run out of resources while also having insane damage, not to say also being just as defensive.

MurderMostFoul

ImSoPro wrote: »

Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?

ZOS recently significantly increased the damage and removed the percentile chance on nearly every non-monster proc set. They've also added a few new, very strong proc sets. This is why they are more prominent, and yes they are bad for PVP. This isn't a meta shift dreamed up by players, this is ZOS driving the meta with changes they've made through patches.

geonsocal

proc sets are right behind crown crates in eso money making 101...

you can have fun in cyro without the latest and greatest, but, it's a lot harder to compete 1 v 1...

Artorias24

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?

ZOS recently significantly increased the damage and removed the percentile chance on nearly every non-monster proc set. They've also added a few new, very strong proc sets. This is why they are more prominent, and yes they are bad for PVP. This isn't a meta shift dreamed up by players, this is ZOS driving the meta with changes they've made through patches.

You forgot Malacath ring for 25% more damage on procs that already have a high tooltip.

JonnytheKing

Kurat wrote: »

Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.

um , you couldnt be more wrong , so not only are bad players getting beat by good players , they getting beat by bad players in proc sets

DUTCH_REAPER

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfi6k7LifY

Who is this? I must friend them immediately lol

forthwinds

They need to make it so you can only be affected by one proc set at a time. This new proc stacking meta is the most cancerous thing since necro's bash builds when Elsweyr came out. It doesn't take any skill and people are zerging with tanky builds just spamming one button. When proc sets are bad in CP, imagine how bad no-cp is...

rk1101320

no cp and BG i will be agree proc set a bit dumb, but in cp cyro common mate, see all those noobs with snb and heavy armor, now they finally die. proc set make the game a way funnier and better in my opinion.
if u want a no proc set pvp ok but need to seriously nerf all the way to be tanky

cheesefome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_OAKPjUHs

LULZ

silky_soft

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfi6k7LifY

"I have a rotation right.
I kill the first guy and I rotate to the second guy, and I kill them"

Ahahha true nb right there.

L_Nici

Depends on what you call procset. Technically every set that buffs yourself or debuffs an enemy like Briarheart and Night mother actually is a procset too.

I personally don't have much against those versions, but the Procsets that deal direct damage or do a massive heal for nothing (Looking at you Crimson) are absolute broken for PvP. Just yesterday I had a BG with 11 warden and every single one of them wore Crimson+diverse Procsets, and I in there with my little Stamsorc, could just watch the time ticking down because no one killed anyone.
Its absolute stupidity what some of those sets allow you, I could pull the Stamsorc as example (works on NB as well with cloak and Speedring), there is a setup going around with Hunters Poison. Like seriously you use Poison inject and then run and run and run and run, while the enemy slowly gets ticked down by the Poison and the injection itself. At best paired with Masters bow which rises your weapon power against targets that are poisoned by Poison Injection.
Or that tree cuddlers on Crimson, they run around and every few seconds get healed by insane amounts of health for doing nothing, you can only shut them down by ignoring them or get then bursted from 100 to 0, which basically never happens since its a heavy armor and often played on Sword and Board.

WaywardArgonian

It is what it is. I tried playing without a procset on my magblade as I do not find it an interesting playstyle, but I could already notice I was missing that punch. Especially with people in general building much more tanky this patch and all these perma-roll builds, I found that just relying on higher base damage and bow procs didn't gel well with my playstyle.

novemberhhh

But its hard to push more than 1 button.