Zos pls make achievements account based not character based!

LalMirchi

I'm really divided on this issue.

On the one one hand it is my account character doing the work.

On the other it is all my alternative characters doing the the actual game progressions in their very unique way. Surely every toons progress must be worth something?

So, who is more worthy?

tuxon

Never gonna happen. Why? Well, they sell skyshards now in Crown Store.

iksde

Tandor wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

I don't understand this argument. You can already swap your character's race and role, and nobody will know if you got your titles as tank and not as healer. Not to mention that selling carries is a huge business these days, and many people just buy their fancy titles.
There's also a way to implement account-wide achievements without affecting those who want to earn them on each character: they could just add an extra tab where you could see all of your achievements and which characters have them already.

Nobody is opposed to that, but an account-wide achievement summary isn't what most mean when they argue for account-wide achievements. They just want to roll an endgame alt who already has all the achievements earned by other characters on the account to save them having to repeat the more critical of them.

Much as I dislike the idea of being able to buy a complete alt in the Crown Store I'd prefer that for those that want it rather than messing with the whole character-specific and account-wide balance for the rest of us who don't want a quick route to endgame but want to play all our alts fully and as individual characters with their own separate achievements.

yeah just roll endgame achievs on alt from others because there is no other time consuming or hard achievs in game and we have tons of time to get them completed on every our alt from different class

like we want to progress lets say TTT or god slayer, we all or atleast most of us have mains for achievs like this but we lack with an role in group

like my friend...he is maining sorc, long ago it was decent healer but not on todays meta where warden is the best with also support to group and as we lack so much with healers he was unable to get vAS+2 hm on his main because he was forced to play his alt warden for healer, same problem with TTT for him - as he is able to do these runs on his mian sorc as DD he just cant because we cant get, find other decent healer in his place so he could earn these achievs for his main

so and I for example got some triples on dungs on alts when I was bored of my main and now Im unable to get them for my main because now I have no decent people to play with to get these achievs for my main


and at the end we have tons of side achievs which doesnt even mean anything from us but onl that we was somewhere, we get this by luck, mistake or unintentionally because how undemanding these achievs are and we have tons of them and yet we would need months and months to repeat them on alt which we would want to play and also have complated as much as we can which we already have completed on our mains....

Im sitting at 40k achiev points...without break times it took me 3-4 years of playing this game - not going to repeat all this again on my alt for next years only because Im completonist player and all I want is just play different class for diversity from my main and Im able to perform fine in content on any other class but I wont because as I said - I have not time, no power to repeat all of this on all different classes alts, along with it I could just create new account and repeat all of this on other accont and so having now more than 1 account with all these achievs, collectibles and so iof I woudl to try I could sell my alt accounts for good amount of money wth these earnings while still keeping my main account but having now additional chance for profit from alt accounts


end part 2 - I also remember how we get 1st player with 100% achievs! which was maybe 4 years after game release from if I good remember it sooo.....gl gaining all achievs even jsut on 2nd character! especially when we have more achievs to get wth every next patch!

Iccotak

Tandor wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

The problem with that argument is that few if any would claim that when a character completes a quest the xp and rewards were earned by the player and should go to all the account's characters, and yet it's exactly the same situation, the player completed the quest and not the character - or so some would argue. Besides which, the achievements aren't real either, so the idea that players are real and characters aren't really doesn't make any sense.

Some players like things to be account-wide, others like things to be character-specific. Some are put off rolling alts because of the need to repeat content, others only roll alts in order to repeat the content. Some players want to do everything on one character, other players want to do some things on one character and other things on a different character. I want to do Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content on my nightblade assassin, and I don't want the achievements for that automatically given to my paladin-style templar who won't go near those guilds (and I'm not even a role-player in any significant way).

Fortunately, ZOS recognise the different approaches and have made a decent balance between them with some things like CPs, collectibles and dye unlocks account-wide and other things like achievements and titles character-specific. It's a fair compromise in my view, and I hope they don't change it- although I'm wholly in favour of an account summary screen showing which characters have earned which achievements.

When the same toon earns the same achievement a second time do they get bonuses for getting it the second time? There are no bonuses that go to any characters specifically for getting an achievement, it's just XP. Mementos are already account wide.

I'm not sure what your point is when achievements can be so easily limited to one instance of a given achievement per account. That limitation is already in place for every toon, it could just be account wide instead.

First, it ruins the point of playing alts for those who want to play them fully and obtain achievements on those characters, and second it also ruins it for those who want some of their characters not to receive certain achievements as I already explained in the case of e.g. the Thieves Guild and/or Dark Brotherhood.

OOOORRR you have account and character achievements

you could even make an account achievement for accomplishing an achievement on multiple characters

This is kind of already the case we just need a better dividing line between the two and more reason to get character achievements

Nairinhe

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

I don't understand this argument. You can already swap your character's race and role, and nobody will know if you got your titles as tank and not as healer. Not to mention that selling carries is a huge business these days, and many people just buy their fancy titles.
There's also a way to implement account-wide achievements without affecting those who want to earn them on each character: they could just add an extra tab where you could see all of your achievements and which characters have them already.

You can't change class and race is not that relevant

Lady_Sleepless

Account based achievements with each character progress bar underneath, titles and alliance rank remains character bound.
Simple, easy and very much needed in this game.

Elwendryll

I play all roles on the same character. I feared I wouldn't find a group willing to take me in as DD for trial trifectas, as I play stamina. So I started tanking.

If someone sees me with a trifecta title, as a DD, can they tell I got it as a tank? No, they need logs.

Very often, people are being asked to swap character for progression. You may never get a chance to get the title you want on your main character despite having cleared the content with an alt.

Anyway. What the justification for not sharing titles is? "But, you could be terrible on your other characters". I would argue that some people are terrible with the character they got the achievement on, carries are a thing (some are not paid for ). You shouldn't base your requirements on achievements, but on actual performance in trial scenario, titles are just fluff, ask for logs. If you worked months of progression to get a title on a character, you should be able to use the title as you want.

I'm fine with achievements being tied to characters, but I think having all the rewards being shared account wide, and an account wide achievement points counter that is used for guild applications would be a huge QoL improvement.

peacenote

Tandor wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

I don't understand this argument. You can already swap your character's race and role, and nobody will know if you got your titles as tank and not as healer. Not to mention that selling carries is a huge business these days, and many people just buy their fancy titles.
There's also a way to implement account-wide achievements without affecting those who want to earn them on each character: they could just add an extra tab where you could see all of your achievements and which characters have them already.

Nobody is opposed to that, but an account-wide achievement summary isn't what most mean when they argue for account-wide achievements. They just want to roll an endgame alt who already has all the achievements earned by other characters on the account to save them having to repeat the more critical of them.

Much as I dislike the idea of being able to buy a complete alt in the Crown Store I'd prefer that for those that want it rather than messing with the whole character-specific and account-wide balance for the rest of us who don't want a quick route to endgame but want to play all our alts fully and as individual characters with their own separate achievements.

Not being difficult but I do wonder what "most" want when they ask for this, hence my previous post. To me it has always felt like it was about rewards, especially titles at this point, but if most people are truly asking for this because they just want to see "completed" on alts.... you raise an interesting point.

The skyshards in the Crown Store already have the perfect model for this from a purchasing perspective. Frankly I don't at all understand the appeal of seeing "completed" specifically on a toon that hasn't done it yet, but if people want a way to do this and an account overview isn't enough... why NOT just sell them? I'm happy to enjoy new content and upgraded servers funded by achievement-buyers while I continue to get my fun "you did this!" achievement notifications on each character.

No reason to dumb down the core system for all of us, but a purchase or an in-game toggle? Knock yourself out.

daemondamian

Why can't we have both (acheivements being character specific or account wide) with options in the games settings to choose whether or not to apply to any character?

That way if you earn some achievement on one character - that you know you would only get on that character (say a healer) - and wanted to apply it to your main character you could.

But also if you wanted to complete acheivements for specific individual characters only without any completed on another character you could do that too.

I dont see why if you achieved some things on one character why it would be wrong to have them count towards another achievements (or not) given you did actually technically complete the required content?

starkerealm

tuxon wrote: »

Never gonna happen. Why? Well, they sell skyshards now in Crown Store.

Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree with this assessment. Before skyshards were added, I was hoping for voucher/crown gated furnishings to let us share our skyshards between characters. Now... not I doubt that's on the table.

starkerealm

iksde wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I honestly just want lore book collecting to be account wide. There are books that are literally impossible to get if you miss them during a quest and I'd love to be able to 100% my lore library on my main.

Editic Memory, not Lore Books. ZOS has been pretty good about getting those out into the world where you can access them after the quest has concluded. It's taken years, and there may still be some that are still missing, but they've been working on this.

what about few books which are at gates of all alliances and these books are different?

if we are in 1 alliance we are unable to get few of these books because they are at enemy alliance bases and there is no way to get access to them unless we wont spentn much money on alliance change tokens which also is not from beginning of the game

So, with the possibility that I'm not aware of one... there's two copies of each of those notes. There's some up near the wayshrines, which, as you noted, are alliance locked. Then there are secondary copies in the vicinity of the various scroll temples. It still requires infiltrating enemy territory when their gates are open (which is a pain), but those letters can be read by any character.

Hallothiel

Still do not understand why this is necessary.

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

All I can see it doing is pleasing completists.

Yes, I appreciate the argument that its ‘me’ thats got the shiny not my character, but as has been pointed out, one can can be far more proficient on one char than another. I can do vet trials on stamblade, magsorc & healer, but if I tried with a necro or dk, I’d be hopeless.

I personally do not want achievements shared. I have dond the Master Angler grind on my main - he gets the title. My 17 alts don’t.

It just seems a slippery slope. At least with the skyshards etc in the crown store you have to have done it at least once to unlock. And its not cheap. But at least it is optional.

Once you have account-wide achievements, what next? Where is this leading? As some achievements are for completing quests, does that mean one doesn’t need to bother with them anymore? Will this end with demands for fully-levelled/spec’d out characters who have done everything already? Just for the small % who go for leaderboards in trials?

daemondamian

Hallothiel wrote: »

Still do not understand why this is necessary.

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

All I can see it doing is pleasing completists.

Yes, I appreciate the argument that its ‘me’ thats got the shiny not my character, but as has been pointed out, one can can be far more proficient on one char than another. I can do vet trials on stamblade, magsorc & healer, but if I tried with a necro or dk, I’d be hopeless.

I personally do not want achievements shared. I have dond the Master Angler grind on my main - he gets the title. My 17 alts don’t.

It just seems a slippery slope. At least with the skyshards etc in the crown store you have to have done it at least once to unlock. And its not cheap. But at least it is optional.

Once you have account-wide achievements, what next? Where is this leading? As some achievements are for completing quests, does that mean one doesn’t need to bother with them anymore? Will this end with demands for fully-levelled/spec’d out characters who have done everything already? Just for the small % who go for leaderboards in trials?

So what if particular achievements you've achieved on one character could be shared account wide for say tokens in the crown store then? That way the onus would be on you as to whether or not you wanted to accept base game default (character specific) or account wide (crown token)?

Hallothiel

daemondamian wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Still do not understand why this is necessary.

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

All I can see it doing is pleasing completists.

Yes, I appreciate the argument that its ‘me’ thats got the shiny not my character, but as has been pointed out, one can can be far more proficient on one char than another. I can do vet trials on stamblade, magsorc & healer, but if I tried with a necro or dk, I’d be hopeless.

I personally do not want achievements shared. I have dond the Master Angler grind on my main - he gets the title. My 17 alts don’t.

It just seems a slippery slope. At least with the skyshards etc in the crown store you have to have done it at least once to unlock. And its not cheap. But at least it is optional.

Once you have account-wide achievements, what next? Where is this leading? As some achievements are for completing quests, does that mean one doesn’t need to bother with them anymore? Will this end with demands for fully-levelled/spec’d out characters who have done everything already? Just for the small % who go for leaderboards in trials?

So what if particular achievements you've achieved on one character could be shared account wide for say tokens in the crown store then? That way the onus would be on you as to whether or not you wanted to accept base game default (character specific) or account wide (crown token)?

Have said previously that would be happy with that [snip]

But still not sure why it is a necessity; there are many other things I would rather Zos focus on.

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UGotBenched91

Dragonnord wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

Or you may be great with your easy mode 1 button heavy attack build magsorc or with your meta easy mode execute spam magblade but you may stink with a stamina toon, and so why your stamina toons should have flawless conqueror, x trifecta achievement, x trial hard mode completion and so.

So... no, no account-based achievements.

@Dragonnord

But, why does it matter? It’s a name next to someone character name. They unlocked it with a character so who cares if they wear it on a different character. I don’t understand why this bothers people.

Fischblut

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

I mostly want account-wide titles And I want true freedom of playing any character at any given time, without feeling that I waste time. No matter what achievement I progress, every of my characters should contribute to that achievement.

For example, my stamplar is half way to "Chaos Keeper" title. My magplar, stamblade, magwarden and stamwarden also have some progress in that achievement - and if all their progress could be combined, I would have that title already. Even if my stamplar someday gets this title, she already has her perfect title and wouldn't change it. But my stamwarden would love to be Chaos Keeper
Same as if all my PvP rank progress could be combined from all my characters, I would become "Grand Overlord" long time ago... I'm punished for having many characters and playing them depending on my mood, cause it doesn't bring me closer to completing difficult/time consuming achievements.

I don't care about achievement points in ESO at all, cause I do not get any rewards or benefits from those.
In GW2, amount of achievement points actually has meaning - cause at certain tiers I get titles, some cash shop currency, outfit styles, and some in-game items (not very valuable though).

iksde

Hallothiel wrote: »

Still do not understand why this is necessary.

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

All I can see it doing is pleasing completists.

Yes, I appreciate the argument that its ‘me’ thats got the shiny not my character, but as has been pointed out, one can can be far more proficient on one char than another. I can do vet trials on stamblade, magsorc & healer, but if I tried with a necro or dk, I’d be hopeless.

I personally do not want achievements shared. I have dond the Master Angler grind on my main - he gets the title. My 17 alts don’t.

It just seems a slippery slope. At least with the skyshards etc in the crown store you have to have done it at least once to unlock. And its not cheap. But at least it is optional.

Once you have account-wide achievements, what next? Where is this leading? As some achievements are for completing quests, does that mean one doesn’t need to bother with them anymore? Will this end with demands for fully-levelled/spec’d out characters who have done everything already? Just for the small % who go for leaderboards in trials?

as I was mentioning it already there are "completionist" players along like RP, with current system completionist players are just punished by playing more than 1 character as @Fischblut well described

we already can use collectibles on our 1lvl characters for doing vet dlc content, for being emperor etc which includes also just dyes so what is problem here as with titles along with achievs people have? not to mention all CP gained and spent also on 1lvl character, wow

about case on 1 character it is easier to get an achiev than another..easier or not it is still doable, if we will talk about hard cotnent like trials, triples etc - meta is changing nonstop anyway...we could get triple on on sorc healer which was one of the best healers and having achiev on this, title while now being unable to repeat on this character because we dont know how to dps and heal, support is not enough from this in current meta and nobody wants us
and so what? we already have achiev for something hard gained on characater which can be unable to get this so easy now but we get it when it was on meta

now with top easies dps stamplar we can go for trial triple with easy dps while for most time of this game we wasn't able to do anything with this becasue how weak it was while everybode else around was gaining this achievs so early

other case we are maining an characacter, so we are stuck to this class forever now, depending on meta thie 1 class wont be able to preform well all roles for trials, we have our guild for trials, we dont have time, willing to be in more guild and doing trials on dailys, so here we will be stuck if other role will be missing than our main while we have alt for this, ability to perform well this role - so now we are gaining all achievs on alt we dont play besides helping our raid group and it is big possiblity we wont get these achievs soon enough for main because we got problem finding new player for this missing role



I will also say for myself, I dont min daing again and again skyshards, lorebooks etc on alts, ok, it is just other lvling but when I see so empty character, with also maybe map idk, I just feel so empty and losing willing to play this alt

even more Im starting to hate this alt when I jsut wanted to play other class - also not meta or even far from meta and doing well becasue knowing game - Im getting achievs on alt which I didnt get on my main because I wanted to play different class while we get new dlc or while I got called for riple in dung or trial - Im gaining new achievs which I could not get soon on my main because for next time I can have noone to repeat these challenges because friends which who I was progressing or got this with me on alt and have no willing to try this once again because they are burned out or they took break from game for example


the best example for me is that I gat vMoL HM on my alt stam dk on which I cant pull even 70k dps on parse and in practise in content this is even more harder to me to pull decent dps in compare to rest of the group while I cant get this HM for months now on my main on which I can pull 90k on parse and always Im top dps in group becasue we dont run MoL anymore that often and even if we will run we dont have anymore top players from guild but still someone new and so most dont even wanna to try for HM

or triple on HoF (TTT title) - my friend with main sorc, he was healing on this long long ago when it was good, now warden is meta, so he swaped his sorc for DPS and he is doing fine dps, able for TTT but for most time he need to go on his alt warden healer because we have problem with healers in group
after weeks of tryharding for TTT we get this with him on healer for which he dont use for anything else, he still dont have all skill maxed as he dont play this alt at all and he didnt get his TTT for his main able to perform this

now next weeks are passing since our TTT and we dont run HoF to much now if even, most people got burned by tryharding HoF for weeks and so people have no willing to get back here and especially no willing to get back for TTT because there is almost always this 1 stupid death, mistake
so at the end friend for now have no chance to get for his main TTT because burned people from this trial and because he was forced to run this on alt healer so we could get this as guild

Hallothiel

Same as if all my PvP rank progress could be combined from all my characters, I would become "Grand Overlord" long time ago... :|I'm punished for having many characters and playing them depending on my mood, cause it doesn't bring me closer to completing difficult/time consuming achievements.

Yes, me too. But I would not want to have the achievement based on combining all AP across my characters. Does not sit right.

I choose to play on multiple chars so I have to accept the consequences. But then I feel very strongly that achievements should be character based, not account wide. But also I am not a completionist & do not really understand the necessity to have all achievements on all characters. If I want them, I’ll play the game and get them.

And I want true freedom of playing any character at any given time, without feeling that I waste time

Why would playing on alts be a waste of time?

iksde

Hallothiel wrote: »

Still do not understand why this is necessary.

So can someone who wants this please explain why they think this should be implemented, and what benefits they think it will bring?

All I can see it doing is pleasing completists.

Yes, I appreciate the argument that its ‘me’ thats got the shiny not my character, but as has been pointed out, one can can be far more proficient on one char than another. I can do vet trials on stamblade, magsorc & healer, but if I tried with a necro or dk, I’d be hopeless.

I personally do not want achievements shared. I have dond the Master Angler grind on my main - he gets the title. My 17 alts don’t.

It just seems a slippery slope. At least with the skyshards etc in the crown store you have to have done it at least once to unlock. And its not cheap. But at least it is optional.

Once you have account-wide achievements, what next? Where is this leading? As some achievements are for completing quests, does that mean one doesn’t need to bother with them anymore? Will this end with demands for fully-levelled/spec’d out characters who have done everything already? Just for the small % who go for leaderboards in trials?

at the end to what is nex, where it is leading - well it is leading for us to enjoy more from playing alts by not punishing us, our playstyly by playing more than 1 character
so what is going with this, this motivates us more to play this game as we could play other classes than our main without borders for completionists

playing game more -> wanting, willing to get other things like from crown store like account upgrades for this and more willing to buy outfits, customs for alts because we would play thom more, more happily - so at the end it can lead for more profit to devs by introducing simple QoL/system which is in so many other games

and as I was writing in post before I dont mind to collect again and again skyshards, lorebook etc on alt, all I care that much is my progressions stuck for single character

iksde

Hallothiel wrote: »

And I want true freedom of playing any character at any given time, without feeling that I waste time

Why would playing on alts be a waste of time?

for us completionists it is waste because whatever we will compplete something new for us on alt it wont give anything to our main which already are maxed, gained as most as possible we could and it took a big chunk o our time to achieve this

alts for us are literally nothing else but just different class, just diffent skills, passives to use fo diversity from our main for which we are playing for years to achieve what we have achieved

as I had ideas for not only simply jus toggle in options for accountwide achievs I had better idea of merging characters progress together to other characters if we wanted - and skillines for example wont count for this because yeah, thats new character ok but why wouldn't we have option to merge character to other character achiev progress, even maybe map?quests? if we wanted but without rewards if we want to go this way - we would need just repeat it again for rewards for merged alts

Fischblut

Why would playing on alts be a waste of time?

Cause when I go for time-consuming achievement, I need to play only on one character - no matter if I'm in the mood to play on other character During this Cyrodiil test and double AP, I have to play on my stamplar cause she is the closest of all my characters to finally unlock Legate black color. I would love to play on my stamnb or stamdk at the moment - but they are much lower ranks than my stamplar, and this would delay my overall progress... again :'( My mood changes often, much sooner than I can get any of them to Legate rank, so it's very possible that I will never get that dye if I play how I want

If we had account wide achievement progress, I would never worry about that again - I could play any character I want if the mood strikes, but they would always contribute to my overall progress.

Another example of me being discouraged by character-based achievements and simply not playing the content...
I'm still missing no-death CoA 2 run on my retired tank (I stopped tanking very long time ago). The only time I had group capable of no-death run, one of dds decided to yolo and aggroed pack of mobs ahead of me and the group. Clannfear jumped on him and the dd died in a second I didn't say anything in chat, but I was so mad at that player and at the game, that it was my very last CoA 2 run ever
I don't need Deadlands Adept title on my tank anymore, but I would love to have it on my necromancer. Sadly, my necromancer would need to do all the achievements in CoA 2 again (including those Colossi which everyone skips)... My level of tolerance to dungeons (especially same old dungeons) is very thin nowadays - time and different gameplay changes/nerfs made me grumpy retired veteran But if I could share the title account-wide, I would dust off my tank just for this no-death run. Sadly, I can't share titles, so I don't bother with running this dungeon at all on any character. My necromancer called "Dead to the Bone" will never be Deadlands Adept for the ultimate perfection and lulz

tomofhyrule

I prefer my achievements to be by character because I like to see what I've done with each of them. I wouldn't mind a tab that showed how many other characters you had cleared the content, but don't take away my characters' histories.

Every time this thread comes up, it's down to who is earning the achievements? Is it the player, using different tools to do so, or is it the character who's been build in a certain way to get something. I prefer having developed characters as more than tools, so I'd like to be able to see their individual records. Some people only care about progress and the character is nothing more than a set of skill bars to them. Both can be right and both can be wrong.

Besides, I get some of these achievements are painful to get - kill 30 flame colossi in CoA2, when there are only 5 per run and that's if your group doesn't skip any. But if this were account wide, you really think that the 'account wide' version wouldn't still be 30? The account-wide version allows you to do it so much more often, so get ready for "kill 300 flame colossi over the lifetime of your account!" They're not here to reduce the grind.

Hallothiel

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I prefer my achievements to be by character because I like to see what I've done with each of them. I wouldn't mind a tab that showed how many other characters you had cleared the content, but don't take away my characters' histories.

Every time this thread comes up, it's down to who is earning the achievements? Is it the player, using different tools to do so, or is it the character who's been build in a certain way to get something. I prefer having developed characters as more than tools, so I'd like to be able to see their individual records. Some people only care about progress and the character is nothing more than a set of skill bars to them. Both can be right and both can be wrong.

Besides, I get some of these achievements are painful to get - kill 30 flame colossi in CoA2, when there are only 5 per run and that's if your group doesn't skip any. But if this were account wide, you really think that the 'account wide' version wouldn't still be 30? The account-wide version allows you to do it so much more often, so get ready for "kill 300 flame colossi over the lifetime of your account!" They're not here to reduce the grind.

Agree with your post and with the suggestions that account-wide achievements would def increase!!

It does come down to what one wants out of this game. Whilst I like getting some achievements, they are not the reason I play, as I realised long ago that there are some I will never get, which then released me from the need to get them all.
I play for enjoyment - this includes not just the social aspect but also to improve my skills & do harder content - but which also includes playing on my alts; they are definitely not just a means to an end but enable me to do more in the game.

There also does not seem to be agreement as to which achievements should be account-wide; some want everything, some want all but trial & pvp titles. There has been no mention of ones that are quest line related - if quest line ones are shared, what is the point in doing them? Does that not then reduce the life of the game, because if its all one & done, that means people will do it all & leave? (And yes, have seen that happen)

Tandor

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I prefer my achievements to be by character because I like to see what I've done with each of them. I wouldn't mind a tab that showed how many other characters you had cleared the content, but don't take away my characters' histories.

Every time this thread comes up, it's down to who is earning the achievements? Is it the player, using different tools to do so, or is it the character who's been build in a certain way to get something. I prefer having developed characters as more than tools, so I'd like to be able to see their individual records. Some people only care about progress and the character is nothing more than a set of skill bars to them. Both can be right and both can be wrong.

Besides, I get some of these achievements are painful to get - kill 30 flame colossi in CoA2, when there are only 5 per run and that's if your group doesn't skip any. But if this were account wide, you really think that the 'account wide' version wouldn't still be 30? The account-wide version allows you to do it so much more often, so get ready for "kill 300 flame colossi over the lifetime of your account!" They're not here to reduce the grind.

This is a massive point that most of those who clamour for account-wide achievements are blind to, just as when they clamoured for account-wide skyshards they allowed themselves to be blind to the way it would be introduced through the crown store. As with so many requests in this game, be careful what you wish for!

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Cheevos. Way back when anyone who cared was mocked. I still feel the same way. I need my cheevos, only to tell me if I have found all the damn skyshards.

Gaming has changed, and not always for the better.

Fischblut

This is a massive point that most of those who clamour for account-wide achievements are blind to, just as when they clamoured for account-wide skyshards they allowed themselves to be blind to the way it would be introduced through the crown store. As with so many requests in this game, be careful what you wish for!

...Actually, I like that you've mentioned skyshards. They are technically account wide now, but for a high price. Of course, I don't believe that developers would make something like account-wide achievements if there was no profit from it. So, if we earn a title on one character, we should have option to buy this title (for our crowns) for any other alt on our account (no gifting)
It wouldn't improve experience of playing multiple characters who don't progress common goal, but at least it would allow accound-wide titles.
If this would be an option, I would get Deadlands Adept on my tank and then buy this title for my necromancer

Besides, I get some of these achievements are painful to get - kill 30 flame colossi in CoA2, when there are only 5 per run and that's if your group doesn't skip any. But if this were account wide, you really think that the 'account wide' version wouldn't still be 30? The account-wide version allows you to do it so much more often, so get ready for "kill 300 flame colossi over the lifetime of your account!"

At least it would be an option for truly account-wide achievements I'm not sure I would go for 300 Colossi nowadays, but if it was like that from the start, I would have done it long time ago (kill Colossus after the first boss, reset dungeon, repeat)

tomofhyrule

Fischblut wrote: »

This is a massive point that most of those who clamour for account-wide achievements are blind to, just as when they clamoured for account-wide skyshards they allowed themselves to be blind to the way it would be introduced through the crown store. As with so many requests in this game, be careful what you wish for!

...Actually, I like that you've mentioned skyshards. They are technically account wide now, but for a high price. Of course, I don't believe that developers would make something like account-wide achievements if there was no profit from it. So, if we earn a title on one character, we should have option to buy this title (for our crowns) for any other alt on our account (no gifting)
It wouldn't improve experience of playing multiple characters who don't progress common goal, but at least it would allow accound-wide titles.
If this would be an option, I would get Deadlands Adept on my tank and then buy this title for my necromancer

I wouldn't be opposed to that. I know my main goal of getting the MoS challenger was for a personality for my werewolf character (assuming I ever get off my rear end and start him up), but he'd also be great with the MoS or MHK HM titles. It'd be nice if I could just buy them since my tank got them and then I could keep the werewolf character strictly RP. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to finally learn to DPS after all this time

I just really want to keep the achievements for a single character visible on that character. If we have a separate tab to look at the list of what we've gotten with others, that's cool. I know a lot of people ask about linking achievements, so I'd even say we should from there (e.g. with a date and a toon name when it's linked). But there are times I actually like to just look through my list of achievements for a certain character and see when I did certain things, so I don't want to lose the ability to do that.

Sidenote: it'd be fun to be able to list all achievements by date without them being sorted into categories. Sometimes I want to see them all in the order I got them, but especially the early ones are in several categories (like 'acquired fine item,' 'main quest chapter 0.5,' 'harvested first furniture mat,' etc.). I also enjoy the times when you earn more than one at once and you get them in the wrong order - I know my character got awarded the vSO HM first, then the vSO complete, then the normal complete. Sure they all landed at the same time, but they're in a funny order there

joerginger

Last year I started playing Guild Wars 2 and one of the differences between it and ESO that I absolutely like is that all the achievements are player achievements and thus accountwide. I have always hated having to completely respec my Altmer magsorc from solo magsorc to a stamsorc tank when the little group I used to play with wanted to do something "special" like vCoA2 or our first trial.
I want the achievements all in one place - which in the current state of the game can only be my main character because that's the only character I did all the quests (apart from IC) and almost all dungeons with. Due to the rapids change nightmare last year, virtually all my characters lost the skill and I had to grind them all up to Alliance level 5. I stopped trying to do this by playing battlegrounds when it eventually annoyed me too much that all the achievements they got were ones I will most likely never see on my main character. Such achievements are completely pointless. I'm tempted to exaggerate a little bit by saying that all alts combined don't have as many achievement points as my main, but of course there's way too many of them for this to be true.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the achievements listed by character as we have them now, but there definitely should be an account-wide achievements collection / overview. Three colours would be enough, one for the current character, one for the account and perhaps a third one for all characters.
I'm really used to me being the one "earning" an achievement in a game. I'm the one who paid for the game and I'm the one who decides what I do or don't do. It took some time until I realized that in this game only a character gets achievements. I didn't like this at all and still don't do so.

AlnilamE

joerginger wrote: »

Last year I started playing Guild Wars 2 and one of the differences between it and ESO that I absolutely like is that all the achievements are player achievements and thus accountwide.

There are SO MANY ACHIEVEMENTS in GW2, though. Including some that force you to play the same content on different characters.

And they are so grindy. Every time I look at them, I just get discouraged. ESO is a lot easier to manage in that respect.

hafgood

I think this whole discussion boils down to:

I want achievements account wide

I don't want achievements account wide

Those that want it will come out with the same arguments, those that don't the same counterarguments.

This happens every month.

Each time the arguments are the same, each time.

The solution as others have said is an account wide overview where you can see them all in one place for all your characters.

Many of us like them being character based because we use it as a way of keeping tab of each ones progress. If I don't know which dungeons one of my characters has completed because I have already done them on a different character how do I know where there is a skill point to be got??

Anyway, I'm off, I'll let you all recycle the same old arguments for either side.