15% to 20% dps loss
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Darktrox✭✭✭I was just reading that maces are more BiS now, I'm going to test stamden with maces.0 -
Foolebuilt_33✭✭✭I think the damage loss is more than some people are realizing mainly due to the fact that some classes like magblade are hitting low low 90s but with 100% uptime on major vuln and brittle on the dummy back prevuln and brittle would put that low 90s at low 80s when is the last time classes were hitting in the low 80s?0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anyone got reasonable stamplar parse, please? Did 99k with stamDK and can't cross even 90k with stamplar. I am noob with stamplar
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Maggusemm✭✭✭Not fair to reduce damage. Achievements should be in a comparable difficultness and not made more difficult.
It was always a winning story for MMOs to inflationate old content, to make it more easier that more people have access to it.
Now we have enemies with 260 million life and a damage loss. This will just frustrate people3 -
Darktrox✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Anyone got reasonable stamplar parse, please? Did 99k with stamDK and can't cross even 90k with stamplar. I am noob with stamplar
Can you explain me your rotation? I can't even reach 80k with Stamdk0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
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Can you explain me your rotation? I can't even reach 80k with Stamdk
7 dots - VenomClaw, NoxBreath, Barbed Trap, Consuming Trap, Deadly Cloak, FoO (we can count this as a dot for the purpose), Rending Slash
Dynamic rotation while following rules:
1) Keep your dots up but refresh priority is Deadly Cloak > Barbed Trap > VenomC, NoxBreath > FoO > Rending Slash, Consuming Trap
2) Fill gaps with spammable (Stone Giant)
3) never refresh more than 3 dots at once, always use Stone Giant after 3 dots to keep Stagger up
4) at 30% you can forget rule 3) and Stone Giant entirely and replace it with Executioneer
5) at 22% forget Consuming Trap and Rending Slash
6) at 15% forget Noxious Breath and Flames of Oblivion
7) at 10% forget Venomous Claw
PS I am running Infused blackrose maces with Flame and Poison enchant (Status effects are running wild this patch. As you can see in my parse, 7800 dps is from Burning+Poisoned alone).Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 17, 2021 6:22PM3 -
Darktrox✭✭✭Yeah my maximun is just 78k with this rotation. Idk, I'm probably doing something wrong. I'm only good with Stamplar and Stamden I guess.Edited by Darktrox on February 17, 2021 6:47PM0
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✭✭Yeah my maximun is just 78k with this rotation. Idk, I'm probably doing something wrong. I'm only good with Stamplar and Stamden I guess.
What's your stamplar dps? I am getting really hopeless, still haven't crossed 90k while on other stamina characters I can easily cross 95 or even 100k.0 -
Darktrox✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »
What's your stamplar dps? I am getting really hopeless, still haven't crossed 90k while on other stamina characters I can easily cross 95 or even 100k.
I don't really know how you doing that tbh, my best aim is Stamden and I can get past 92k. Are you cp 810 right? what do you slot? I'm the same as hopeless. I'm trying to get 90k ym stamplar.0 -
Darktrox✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »
What's your stamplar dps? I am getting really hopeless, still haven't crossed 90k while on other stamina characters I can easily cross 95 or even 100k.
What other parsews on stamina characters have you done that surpass 92k? I'm also doing less damage with dual wield than bow. I'm really missing something and this is annoying.0 -
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Wait you don’t use sub assault as a stamden? Any reason?
i use it.. but it's clunky AF... 1/2 the time the trash is dead before the proc
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Darktrox✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »
i use it.. but it's clunky AF... 1/2 the time the trash is dead before the proc
It's BiS for bossing tho.Edited by Darktrox on February 17, 2021 8:04PM0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't really know how you doing that tbh, my best aim is Stamden and I can get past 92k. Are you cp 810 right? what do you slot? I'm the same as hopeless. I'm trying to get 90k ym stamplar.
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✭✭Even if it turns out that there is no dps loss i will still be disappointed, because of how zos approaches this game, there is no win for me, this was about what i expected them to do with cp and i am disappointed that my assumption was correct.1 -
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✭Foolebuilt_33 wrote: »I think the damage loss is more than some people are realizing mainly due to the fact that some classes like magblade are hitting low low 90s but with 100% uptime on major vuln and brittle on the dummy back prevuln and brittle would put that low 90s at low 80s when is the last time classes were hitting in the low 80s?
The common dps parse on trial Atro ils currently in the low 90s so there is little to no change.1 -
Foolebuilt_33✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »
The common dps parse on trial Atro ils currently in the low 90s so there is little to no change.
Thats very false low 90s with 100% uptime on vuln and brittle which is roughly a 10k increase so subtract that from what parse is to see what the numbers are pre markarth so 90s now is 80s before the addition to vuln and brittle on pts on live right now currently average is 100k+ and for classes like magsorc and magcro 107k+ stam is 110k+ where as on pts stam is low 90s with full uptime on vuln and brittleEdited by Foolebuilt_33 on February 17, 2021 11:23PM2 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭Stamplar:
Stamden:
I'm no parsing expert but the first thing I see is much more crit damage on your stamden. What is causing that? You are showing your red tree levels so can't really see anything there involving your crit % or your crit damage %.
edit - Looking at your hit percentage on the left you are critting 10% more on the stamden as well.Edited by Ranger209 on February 17, 2021 11:27PM0 -
Darktrox✭✭✭
I'm no parsing expert but the first thing I see is much more crit damage on your stamden. What is causing that? You are showing your red tree levels so can't really see anything there involving your crit % or your crit damage %.
edit - Looking at your hit percentage on the left you are critting 10% more on the stamden as well.
Not sure. I have all same CP and Shadow.0 -
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Out of curiosity I tested with both shadow and warrior mundus, and they were very close. Also tested with selene vs 2x crit piece vs 2x weap dmg piece and these three variation were also very close with 2x weap dmg slightly outperforming 2x crit piece, which is kinda interesting and wondering how these variations work for other ppl?
Very interesting. I would love some official math on this as well. @Asardes can you be bothered to conduct such tests once it goes live?
Edited by Dracane on February 18, 2021 1:48AMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dunno how some people only lost less than 10% or even parse the same. Maybe it's just their class but I main magden and lost 15%
I was already average with my 85k and now total trash with low 70s. Also something weird is up with bloodthirsty. I only gain 2-3k on trial dummy from arcane. And infused actually beats bloodthirsty by 1-2k, wtf. Same with Siroria over false god, only 1k difference. No matter what gear, jewelery traits, mundus I used, it was always within 3-4k dps. Same with cp stars, very little difference which ones I slotted. Next patch is all about rotation I guess and which class is higher on foodchain.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Dunno how some people only lost less than 10% or even parse the same. Maybe it's just their class but I main magden and lost 15%
I was already average with my 85k and now total trash with low 70s. Also something weird is up with bloodthirsty. I only gain 2-3k on trial dummy from arcane. And infused actually beats bloodthirsty by 1-2k, wtf. Same with Siroria over false god, only 1k difference. No matter what gear, jewelery traits, mundus I used, it was always within 3-4k dps. Same with cp stars, very little difference which ones I slotted. Next patch is all about rotation I guess and which class is higher on foodchain.
The sustain hit from the major intellect nerf is pretty brutal on the 21m, which is probably why you're seeing the gap between FG and siroria closing. This might also be why BT isn't paying off like you'd expect if you are having sustain problems in execute.
I'm expecting in content sustain to be improved with the changes to max health and food options.0 -
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✭✭I've tried everything I can think of and I still can't do more than 84k on my StamSorc on the PTS (from 103k on live). I'm not sure why they have to implement such drastic changes that will end up being frustrating, confusing, and disappointing to many. I mean, it's not like people are running from the game because the current combat system is so terrible. Sure, the CP system needed revision, but not with a sledgehammer.2 -
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The sustain hit from the major intellect nerf is pretty brutal on the 21m, which is probably why you're seeing the gap between FG and siroria closing. This might also be why BT isn't paying off like you'd expect if you are having sustain problems in execute.
I'm expecting in content sustain to be improved with the changes to max health and food options.
This and more importantly, Spell Damage and Magicka are much less potent than before. These stats are summed to your total effective spell damage (with conversion ratio of 1:10,5) and the more you already have, the less increase in damage you will see after adding another. Magicka is more or less the same as before, but spell damage is higher. Adding the 1000 base spell damage + 150 additional SD from CPs only made set bonuses less potent. If you can't beat dummy with Siroria without single heavy attack (or spell symmetry), False God starts to be very viable option. PFG solves some sustain issues and has better set bonuses than Siroria (crit chance > magicka/SD).Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 18, 2021 6:47AM0 -
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✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »
7 dots - VenomClaw, NoxBreath, Barbed Trap, Consuming Trap, Deadly Cloak, FoO (we can count this as a dot for the purpose), Rending Slash
Dynamic rotation while following rules:
1) Keep your dots up but refresh priority is Deadly Cloak > Barbed Trap > VenomC, NoxBreath > FoO > Rending Slash, Consuming Trap
2) Fill gaps with spammable (Stone Giant)
3) never refresh more than 3 dots at once, always use Stone Giant after 3 dots to keep Stagger up
4) at 30% you can forget rule 3) and Stone Giant entirely and replace it with Executioneer
5) at 22% forget Consuming Trap and Rending Slash
6) at 15% forget Noxious Breath and Flames of Oblivion
7) at 10% forget Venomous Claw
PS I am running Infused blackrose maces with Flame and Poison enchant (Status effects are running wild this patch. As you can see in my parse, 7800 dps is from Burning+Poisoned alone).
Thanks for sharing
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Stamden:
You should use Cutting Dive on your Warden, instead of Wrecking Blow. +2% dmg for slotting and the stacking Bleed is enough to even surpass WB damage and Empower buff. Dummy gets off-balanced periodically so if you time your rotation to refresh dots and beetles just before off-balance, and then cast as many Cutting Dives as possible during off-balance period, your dps output will be higher. Not even mentioning that as of PTS, Bleeds proc their own status effect different from that from standard physical damage
Also I think, that you will get slightly better dps output by switching Maelstrom Bow to Blackrose Dual Wield.
Will try that today and post the results.Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 18, 2021 7:51AM0 -
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✭✭✭Since they want weapon dmg to be more comparable to crit wouldn't it makes sense to try a weapon dmg build instead of crit to see if it's so..?0 -
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✭There are new buffs on the dummy on PTS that aren't on live, if I understood correctly?
So, all the dps comparisons are not relevant? And that means the loss is actually bigger?0