The Flawless Conqueror or Spirit Slayer?

Calm_Fury

We now have 2 "ultimate" PvE solo titles for the hardest achievements in each solo arena.

I still haven't started going for SS due to all bugs, but my first clear of the arena seemed so much easier than vMA (granted, I was a much newer player when I went for that).

The question now is: which title do you think is more "respected"? Once the novelty of SS dies down, which would you use?

I'll definitely go with SS once I get for a while, but I think I'll just end up using Flawless again. Not only I personally thing Flawless Conqueror sounds a lot cooler, from what I saw it still feels like it is harder than SS to get consistently and on specs you are not as used to as your main ones.

What do you all think?

General_Zeranth

The Flawless Conqueror

Personally Flawless Conqueror. It took me a good long while, years, to get this title and it felt like such a rush when I finally got it with my toon.
I had tried all the one bar, easy sorc, etc builds but in the end it was a Werewolf build that netted it for me and I haven't stopped wearing the title on that toon since.

So as neat as Spirit Slayer sounds and while I do want to earn it as well I'm still going to keep my FC title.

spartaxoxo

Spirit Slayer

I think I'd respect Spirit Slayer more. Flawless Conqueror is cool, but also there's some RNG involved to it. It's a matter of both getting the mechanics down pat, and not getting any bs deaths like having a flower spawn underneath your feet while you're being shielded by the minders. Most of the RNG is from the poison phase, but still.

Vateshran is mostly pure mechanics as far as I can tell, though I don't have everything memorized yet so I can't tell yet. I'm even gaining more control of the final boss with every run that I make. In some ways that does make VVH title easier to get than VMA's title, but at the same time RNG isn't something that you did so it's not as impressive even if it's rarer.

dinokstrunz

The Flawless Conqueror

Probably Flawless, Vateshran is much easier in comparison to Maelstrom. Spirit Slayer is cool still.

GlorphNoldorin

Spirit Slayer

of the undying song for stam is tricky. That "missed by that much is" is not easy. I have flawless on all 15 characters, it was far easier to get than undying song. I am working through my stam toons, it will take commitment lol.

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

General_Zeranth wrote: »

Personally Flawless Conqueror. It took me a good long while, years, to get this title and it felt like such a rush when I finally got it with my toon.
I had tried all the one bar, easy sorc, etc builds but in the end it was a Werewolf build that netted it for me and I haven't stopped wearing the title on that toon since.

So as neat as Spirit Slayer sounds and while I do want to earn it as well I'm still going to keep my FC title.

Yeah. I think I'm attached to FC because it took me a long time to get as well.

Even after I was specifically trying to get it it was still 10-15 runs to finally get the first. And the second and thirds always took some more runs as well. If I stop doing vMA for a while, it is always a long road to go back to getting 15/15 consistently.

I'll see how SS goes.

spartaxoxo

Spirit Slayer

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

of the undying song for stam is tricky. That "missed by that much is" is not easy. I have flawless on all 15 characters, it was far easier to get than undying song. I am working through my stam toons, it will take commitment lol.

I actually got missed by that much before even a no death or speed haha. I found that one easy, but there are still some things that keep killing me. I still gotta get a handle on the final boss, and then the crematorium guard knock-off on the island right before the final fire boss. Don't know why I find that island so much harder than the bosses.

Also I gotta try leaping diagonally on the minotaur boss to get my speed up, as I find the minotaur boss takes up most of my time.

I do gotta also fight against RNG but that's because of bugs. Keep dying when I'm grappling to literally nothing.

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

of the undying song for stam is tricky. That "missed by that much is" is not easy. I have flawless on all 15 characters, it was far easier to get than undying song. I am working through my stam toons, it will take commitment lol.

I haven't even considered of the Undying Song because it is a lot more stuff than SS and we don't really have anything similar for vMA.

But yes, I would imagine it will take more time to get all of those.

Vlad9425

The Flawless Conqueror

Aside from Emperor or Empress which is a temporary title The Flawless Conqueror is easily the coolest title in the game IMO.

General_Zeranth

The Flawless Conqueror

Calm_Fury wrote: »

General_Zeranth wrote: »

Personally Flawless Conqueror. It took me a good long while, years, to get this title and it felt like such a rush when I finally got it with my toon.
I had tried all the one bar, easy sorc, etc builds but in the end it was a Werewolf build that netted it for me and I haven't stopped wearing the title on that toon since.

So as neat as Spirit Slayer sounds and while I do want to earn it as well I'm still going to keep my FC title.

Yeah. I think I'm attached to FC because it took me a long time to get as well.

Even after I was specifically trying to get it it was still 10-15 runs to finally get the first. And the second and thirds always took some more runs as well. If I stop doing vMA for a while, it is always a long road to go back to getting 15/15 consistently.

I'll see how SS goes.

It really is one of those titles that takes ages, and as another person said above does have a modicum of RNG luck too. Those dingy flowers. xD

It was the same for me too. So many more runs and then one day it just happened and lord I was shaking after that fight. Lol.

Best of luck to you getting SS! Hopefully it doesn't take years as well.

Il3rotherhood

How are people saying Vateshran is easier than vMA ? adds in vMA have like 30k health and drop like flies while Vateshran adds have up to 400k health, almost like a vMA boss lol and hit for 8-9k... I mean go do a vMA run straight after a vet Vateshran and you will see the difference in difficulty...

jaws343

Spirit Slayer

While I don't have either yet, I think both are mostly RNG dependent for me at this point. Those stupid poison plants and misjudging the laser ring are the only deaths I am fighting against on either arena at this point. But I'd say VH title is a bit more prestigious if only because it is new.

Vevvev

The Flawless Conqueror

Flawless Conquerer as it's been around for longer and more people know of it. While Spirit Slayer is a very great achievement some classes make the final boss laughable at best. Another thing is you get different milages depending on what path you took in Vateshran Arena, while the Maelstrom Arena is more linear as the difficulty if the final battle isn't dictated by a path taken.

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

General_Zeranth wrote: »

Calm_Fury wrote: »

General_Zeranth wrote: »

Personally Flawless Conqueror. It took me a good long while, years, to get this title and it felt like such a rush when I finally got it with my toon.
I had tried all the one bar, easy sorc, etc builds but in the end it was a Werewolf build that netted it for me and I haven't stopped wearing the title on that toon since.

So as neat as Spirit Slayer sounds and while I do want to earn it as well I'm still going to keep my FC title.

Yeah. I think I'm attached to FC because it took me a long time to get as well.

Even after I was specifically trying to get it it was still 10-15 runs to finally get the first. And the second and thirds always took some more runs as well. If I stop doing vMA for a while, it is always a long road to go back to getting 15/15 consistently.

I'll see how SS goes.

It really is one of those titles that takes ages, and as another person said above does have a modicum of RNG luck too. Those dingy flowers. xD

It was the same for me too. So many more runs and then one day it just happened and lord I was shaking after that fight. Lol.

Best of luck to you getting SS! Hopefully it doesn't take years as well.

Oh, I remember my first Flawless. I actually had just wasted 2 runs because I got so excited after the crystal phases that I tried to burn the boss and died.

I thought I would never get it.

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

Il3rotherhood wrote: »

How are people saying Vateshran is easier than vMA ? adds in vMA have like 30k health and drop like flies while Vateshran adds have up to 400k health, almost like a vMA boss lol and hit for 8-9k... I mean go do a vMA run straight after a vet Vateshran and you will see the difference in difficulty...

I just ran it once to completion and another time to last boss (gave up because the lightning bug was still in the game).

The thing is that, in vMA, I feel that there are a lot more things that can just kill you in comparison to vVH.

I remember I would be snipped, poisoned, arrow sprayed, ice staff light attacked to death several times.

In vVH it feels like it is mostly just the main bosses that kill you. And some of them are easier to do consistently without dying.

And I don't know... vMA just felt a lot more "tense". Something about the mosters just spawning instead of you being able to sit back, take a breath, a sip of beer before walking to the next phase just makes it less anxiety-inducing.

But again, I was only there twice before taking a break to wait for ZOS to fix the game again.

code65536

The Flawless Conqueror

Flawless sounds better.

NoMoreChillies

The Flawless Conqueror

Spirit Slayer just doesnt have the same ooomph as Flawless Conqueror

gatekeeper13

Spirit Slayer

Spirit Slayer because it is less RNG based than Flawless Conqueror.

Kikazaru

Spirit Slayer

Spirit Slayer feels more mechanically engaging to me than vMA. vMA just feels tedious and have some dumb rng mechanics; but isn't hard otherwise. But then again, between the two, getting vMA back when it was first released was far harder.

revonine

The Flawless Conqueror

Spirit Slayer sounds too much like Spirit Seeker with is another much easier to obtain title from Markarth. Of the Undying Song is what I currently use for that reason mostly.

WaywardArgonian

Spirit Slayer

Spirit Slayer as I feel like I have to at least somehow know how to play my class in order to get it, while I feel like Flawless Conqueror can be obtained if you're good at VMA but not necessarily at your class, especially since sigils are permitted and there is no time limit.

Jaimeh

Spirit Slayer

It's difficult to compare the two because when vMA came out and for years afterwards it was a lot harder than how it is now, so you can't really compare it to vVH. Plus, FC permits sigils, while spirit slayer does not, and spirit slayer permits the orb buffs, while FC doesn't have these. We also have more CP, extra skill lines, stronger sets, etc., than before, so for many reasons, there can't be a straightforward comparison. I'd say back in the day, FC was definitely a lot harder to get than how it is getting spirit slayer now, but nowadays FC is relatively easy to get, and since vVH is new content, spirit slayer probably has the edge, purely for this reason. In terms of how they sound, I don't thing either is particularly cool--I've always thought Stormproof sounded cooler than FC, for instance.

Fischblut

The Flawless Conqueror

For my taste, I don't like how "Spirit Slayer" sounds... Generally, there is serious lack of cool titles

ccfeeling

The Flawless Conqueror

VMA is much harder, got SS at 3rd VHS try.

VMA has a lot 1 shot mechanics, a lot hard cc, disable effects, super range dd (Stage 5 icy ghost), more mobs, no rest time during fight, it affect the sustain.

VMA is a tutorial arena, really good 4 new comers and challenging in VET mode, VHS feel like solo play in 4 man easy DLC dungeon.

Il3rotherhood

Calm_Fury wrote: »

Il3rotherhood wrote: »

How are people saying Vateshran is easier than vMA ? adds in vMA have like 30k health and drop like flies while Vateshran adds have up to 400k health, almost like a vMA boss lol and hit for 8-9k... I mean go do a vMA run straight after a vet Vateshran and you will see the difference in difficulty...

I just ran it once to completion and another time to last boss (gave up because the lightning bug was still in the game).

The thing is that, in vMA, I feel that there are a lot more things that can just kill you in comparison to vVH.

I remember I would be snipped, poisoned, arrow sprayed, ice staff light attacked to death several times.

In vVH it feels like it is mostly just the main bosses that kill you. And some of them are easier to do consistently without dying.

And I don't know... vMA just felt a lot more "tense". Something about the mosters just spawning instead of you being able to sit back, take a breath, a sip of beer before walking to the next phase just makes it less anxiety-inducing.

But again, I was only there twice before taking a break to wait for ZOS to fix the game again.

I can understand that, good point. I must say that if it wouldn't be for the overlapping zillions of mechanics for the last boss of vVH, it would be quite easy in fact.

Drdeath20

The Flawless Conqueror

VVH you only really die bcz the minitaur boss is soo horribly desync'd.

Get 2 platforms ahead then suddenly die and only after you are dead you see the minitaur jump 2 platforms to synch back up.

VMA at any point a random trash mob or flower will catch you at the worst time.

CrashTest

The Flawless Conqueror

Flawless Conqueror bc vMA is harder and more fun.

Vateshran is just a tedious jumble of mechanics and mobs on steroids. It's not challenging; it's annoying. I don't have issues clearing it. It's just not fun at all to do so. After I get all the gear from there in normal and vet for the sticker book, I'm never going back.

Grandchamp1989

The Flawless Conqueror

Maelstrom, just by the amount of sheer luck it takes for your game not to screw you over by crashes, freezes, bugged skill bar, glitched arena etc. if you get a good run going.

Faulgor

Spirit Slayer

Il3rotherhood wrote: »

How are people saying Vateshran is easier than vMA ? adds in vMA have like 30k health and drop like flies while Vateshran adds have up to 400k health, almost like a vMA boss lol and hit for 8-9k... I mean go do a vMA run straight after a vet Vateshran and you will see the difference in difficulty...

Yeah, I'd have to agree. VMA feels more random, but the mobs are much weaker. Currently I don't see how I'm ever going to get SS, I'm off by like 15 minutes and 1-3 deaths. Getting enough DPS to cheese mechanics at the last boss is really difficult on some classes.

But my vote is for of the Undying Song, that's easily the best title.

MajThorax

The Flawless Conqueror

I have both but flawless conqueror is much more important to me because I worked hard to get it the first time. I got spirit slayer in a week 🙃

zvavi

The Flawless Conqueror

MajThorax wrote: »

I have both but flawless conqueror is much more important to me because I worked hard to get it the first time. I got spirit slayer in a week 🙃

A week? A day.