The Flawless Conqueror or Spirit Slayer?

Nairinhe

Sephyr

Nairinhe wrote: »

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MajThorax

The Flawless Conqueror

zvavi wrote: »

MajThorax wrote: »

I have both but flawless conqueror is much more important to me because I worked hard to get it the first time. I got spirit slayer in a week 🙃

A week? A day.

Cut me some slack. Minotaur was killing me before I have a chance to land on the platform 😢

Xuhora

Spirit Slayer

i voted spirit slayer, but the one and only title is not in the poll:

of the undying song

it does not require spirit slayer, but since i got that within 4 runs i was delighted that i could farm the other achievements for it as well.

CrimsonGTX

The Flawless Conqueror

Il3rotherhood wrote: »

How are people saying Vateshran is easier than vMA ? adds in vMA have like 30k health and drop like flies while Vateshran adds have up to 400k health, almost like a vMA boss lol and hit for 8-9k... I mean go do a vMA run straight after a vet Vateshran and you will see the difference in difficulty...

What makes vMA easier today is the power creep that happen years after it's release. So in comparison to both Arena's releases...I was able to do a Trifecta run on Vateshran on my first try with no pale order ring, where as vMA took much more time to achieve that. It's not a fair comparison due because both arena's released at different CP levels but it's the best comparison I have. Also with Vateshran there's really nothing that threatens you before the last boss and even then... if you're dps is good you can skip her shade-chain mechanic. Don't get me wrong I like Vateshran Hollows and appreciate they added a new solo arena, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly disappointed with how easy it was.

ThePedge

The Flawless Conquerer, however neither now Ring of the Pale Order exists

iksde

Spirit Slayer

"PvE solo titles for the hardest achievements in each solo arena."

just lol for me if this is for flawless conq xD

I get flawless conq without even trying to master this arena but I was farming to get my 1st infernos taff xD

and got some stupid deaths which was my single deaths for run to not get this achiev before like I was to much distracted talking with friends and on arena with spiders I got eated by spiders becasue I forgot to go into bright pillar xD or just forgot about troll destroying platforms on ice arena with boss xD

flawless conq was hardest achiev to get before where we didn't have so much power creep for old content but now this is nothing if you already know a bit this game, truly but master angler is harder to get because it need patience and long time to get and RNG

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

Xuhora wrote: »

i voted spirit slayer, but the one and only title is not in the poll:

of the undying song

it does not require spirit slayer, but since i got that within 4 runs i was delighted that i could farm the other achievements for it as well.

I didn't include it because, as I said a few posts back, there isn't something similar on vMA to that one.

I was just trying to compare the equivalent titles.

ThePedge

Calm_Fury wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

i voted spirit slayer, but the one and only title is not in the poll:

of the undying song

it does not require spirit slayer, but since i got that within 4 runs i was delighted that i could farm the other achievements for it as well.

I didn't include it because, as I said a few posts back, there isn't something similar on vMA to that one.

I was just trying to compare the equivalent titles.

Iirc "of the Undying Song" doesn't require Speed Run, No Sigils and No Death in one run. Only a no death run.

Xuhora

Spirit Slayer

ThePedge wrote: »

Calm_Fury wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

i voted spirit slayer, but the one and only title is not in the poll:

of the undying song

it does not require spirit slayer, but since i got that within 4 runs i was delighted that i could farm the other achievements for it as well.

I didn't include it because, as I said a few posts back, there isn't something similar on vMA to that one.

I was just trying to compare the equivalent titles.

Iirc "of the Undying Song" doesn't require Speed Run, No Sigils and No Death in one run. Only a no death run.

im sure it requires a speed run, pretty sure at least ^^ i think no sigils is in there also, just not trifecta

ThePedge

Xuhora wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Calm_Fury wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

i voted spirit slayer, but the one and only title is not in the poll:

of the undying song

it does not require spirit slayer, but since i got that within 4 runs i was delighted that i could farm the other achievements for it as well.

I didn't include it because, as I said a few posts back, there isn't something similar on vMA to that one.

I was just trying to compare the equivalent titles.

Iirc "of the Undying Song" doesn't require Speed Run, No Sigils and No Death in one run. Only a no death run.

im sure it requires a speed run, pretty sure at least ^^ i think no sigils is in there also, just not trifecta

Thinking about it I believe you are correct about speed run

However in terms of challenging, Spirit Slayer is more challenging. Undying Song is just time consuming.

Xuhora

Spirit Slayer

@ThePedge @Calm_Fury

i just included the title because i like it more than spirit slayer, indeed, it is not as challanging to get as spirit slayer ^^

zvavi

The Flawless Conqueror

Xuhora wrote: »

i just included the title because i like it more than spirit slayer, indeed, it is not as challanging to get as spirit slayer ^^

Yes it is. You need to grind it. Unlike just going in there and making a trifecta.

siddique

The Flawless Conqueror

I have both and I think Flawless sounds way better. Spirit Slayer is prolly slightly harder than Flawless imo though.

Also, Of the Undying Song is better than both. That's what I am using.

SidraWillowsky

The Flawless Conqueror

ThePedge wrote: »

The Flawless Conquerer, however neither now Ring of the Pale Order exists

Everyone and their mom seems to have the FC title these days- I assume it's due to the ring?

I always tell people on here that someone getting a title/achievement because it became easier or because they bought a run doesn't cheapen their own accomplishment. I'm feeling hypocritical now because I'm a little salty that the FC title is a lot less meaningful because of the Pale Order ring...

Calm_Fury

The Flawless Conqueror

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

The Flawless Conquerer, however neither now Ring of the Pale Order exists

Everyone and their mom seems to have the FC title these days- I assume it's due to the ring?

I always tell people on here that someone getting a title/achievement because it became easier or because they bought a run doesn't cheapen their own accomplishment. I'm feeling hypocritical now because I'm a little salty that the FC title is a lot less meaningful because of the Pale Order ring...

I don't think the Pale Order ring helps inexperienced players as much in vMA, specially not for Flawless. Pale Order doesn't prevent one shots and most mechanics, so people still die.

I remember when tha Alessia WW build came out, the amount of FC increased by A LOT. There was a PetSorc build as well before the shield nerfs that only heavy attacked that helped.

I don't think those builds are as forgiving as they used to be, though.

spartaxoxo

Spirit Slayer

ThePedge wrote: »

The Flawless Conquerer, however neither now Ring of the Pale Order exists

I don't know why people say this when we used to have stuff like Phoenix Robes preventing you from dying. This was much more a boon than healing, because no amount of healing is gonna get you through the poison stage, ice flows being destroyed, etc. Robes could get you through a poison death tho. Most deaths for people going for flawless aren't even from adds or bosses, they are from unlucky or incorrectly performed mechanics. And sacrifing damage for healing can actually hinder performance as much as help because you deal with more mechanics.

In VVH I get it because the adds can do so much continuous damage and pale order ring does make that more manageable but VMA flawless? Not really

ssewallb14_ESO

Spirit Slayer

Flawless Conq in 2015 was an impressive title.

But the value has significantly decreased over time. Everything dies so fast in VMA now if feels like playing overland. I'd say Spirit slayer has slightly more value entirely because the enemies have more health. But even then it's pretty meh because the Trifecta is so easy with high DPS.