Please give us back Rapid Maneuver!

warabi

I already truly loathe pvp in this game and the fact that you need to do it for skills. This change is the absolute worst and I'm really just glad I play ESO on and off.

SilverBride

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

It really wouldn't hurt anyone for them to lower the requirements to get Rapid Maneuver.

This is true. No matter what our thoughts are on the change, just dropping the requirements a couple of ranks wouldn't hurt anyone and would make a lot of people happy.

ruengdet2515

This is the reason i stop make new toon.

Raideen

Rehdaun wrote: »

Anyone know when two person mount will be available in the crown store?

Looks like there are two versions. One with glowing rune lettering at the top, and one without (I might be wrong).
I am betting the glow one will be the super rare apex where the drop rate is so low that literally 2000.00 dollars in crowns will not guarantee a drop.
or a a special apex mount for 600 purple gems

The "dull" one will probably sell for 5000 crowns.

Due to the 2 person mount being the most unique mount in game, and based on their preferred method of monetization for this game I have no doubt in my mind this mount alone will cost more than the base game at retail.

AyaDark

I think, that changes was bad idea and i dislike any in game changes.

Vigor must not been changed !
But if already was done, why not to put it on the place of:
Siege Shield

Both are the same support and asault abilitys.
Shield is even more assault than vigor, and all be happy.

I like sieges and i use its shield, but it isnot a problem for me to open it. Other players do not need it, so it is ok with it.

I think players must get pvp skills in pvp ! But for 100+ alts it is really a problem, so it is OK.

Rehdaun

Raideen wrote: »

Rehdaun wrote: »

Anyone know when two person mount will be available in the crown store?

Looks like there are two versions. One with glowing rune lettering at the top, and one without (I might be wrong).
I am betting the glow one will be the super rare apex where the drop rate is so low that literally 2000.00 dollars in crowns will not guarantee a drop.
or a a special apex mount for 600 purple gems

The "dull" one will probably sell for 5000 crowns.

Due to the 2 person mount being the most unique mount in game, and based on their preferred method of monetization for this game I have no doubt in my mind this mount alone will cost more than the base game at retail.

Wow! That's expensive! Looks like a good deal for someone. SMH

JoeCapricorn

We are now a week away from Update 28. There is still no word on if a compromise will ever be considered.

However, there is a reason to think that maybe we won't have to wait much longer for that compromise consideration.

If their focus these past few weeks was on getting Update 28 ready, then that is what took up much of their time. If due to the pandemic they are still working from home, that might impact their responsiveness.

The 2 person mount probably had no influence on the Rapid Maneuver decision. I also remember seeing something on the PTS about passengers getting kicked out of the game because the game thought they were speedhacking. Early adopters of the 2 person mount may face some new or unforeseen bugs, hopefully the bug I just described does not make it into Update 28.

It would be a wonderful early Christmas gift to get Rapid Maneuver back on my alts the way things were.

phairdon

Revert the change, please.

WoodenHeart

They took away my Ferrari and gave me Romper Stompers.


I've barely played at all since this change.

Also, just because not everyone is vocal in this thread doesn't mean they're ok with suddenly losing their speed for no apparent reason.

PLEASE consider making Rapids as accessible as it always has been! At least lower it down from Rank 5 to Rank 3 or 4. No one wants to PvP with a slow mount, and that was the entire reason for creating Rapids in the first place.

idk

I have rapid maneuvers on all my characters. Zos never took it away from me.

Obsidian3

Im not worried, soon the AP booster scrolls will be out, I am sure the drop rates for making the scrolls will be reasonable and we will easily be able to obtain them in game. /s

SteveCampsOut

The way I see it I now have more reason to play some of my under used alts. I have to get their Rapids back!

fierackas

idk wrote: »

I have rapid maneuvers on all my characters. Zos never took it away from me.

Same but that doesn't mean I don't feel for the people that lost it.

TheJTOON

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fierackas wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I have rapid maneuvers on all my characters. Zos never took it away from me.

Same but that doesn't mean I don't feel for the people that lost it.

I am only missing it on one right now but I play pvp not really caring about the outcomes but just getting enough experience to get the rapids. If pvp players like having teammates like that.

Calm_Fury

I've now leveled 2 new characters since this change.

By just doing the daily Battelgrounds, it took my 8 days to get Rapids on my MagBlade without Witch's Festival and she was about level 41 when I did (I exclusively queue for Battlegrounds and Random Normal every day while leveling, while getting skyshards and lorebooks).

With my StamBlade with the event XP boost, it took me 6 days and she was already level 48 by the time I got Rapids, doing the same (I think I got better groups and won more BG here, so that is why it was faster).

I went to sub-50 campaigns but they were very empty. I still repaired some walls on the StamBlade because I was missing 800 AP and didn't want to reach CP level without Rapids.

This is very annoying. They really need to lower the Rapids Requirement to AW Level 3. Trying to get skyshards with a character without Rapids is depressing.

joerginger

XP boost doesn't help at all when you're trying to get rapids back. Only the new AP boost thingies that will come to the live server on Monday could help. But first grinding something to make the other grind slightly shorter doesn't sound like much fun to me. Oh well, only 9.5 characters left.

Calm_Fury

joerginger wrote: »

XP boost doesn't help at all when you're trying to get rapids back. Only the new AP boost thingies that will come to the live server on Monday could help. But first grinding something to make the other grind slightly shorter doesn't sound like much fun to me. Oh well, only 9.5 characters left.

My intention to mention the XP Boost was to show the level on which my characters got Rapids.

I know it doesn't boost Rapids itself. But with the XP boost, I was basically level 50 by the time I got Rapids by doing Battlegrounds, which is kind of ridiculous.

A skill that used to be "given" at level 10, which is just a couple of hours, is now only available almost at level 50 unless you specifically grind a lot for it.

Alhatariel

I have 12 chars and half of them have rapid en the other half had it but missed it now. I do crafting dailies with them each and I will buy the skillline for the 6 that missed their rapid. Its a lot of money but PvP is really not my cup of tea.
For me means, besides buying the full skilline for the 6 so I can do my daily writs again fast, that I will never shall start a new char again.....


Ala

joerginger

Congratulations, then we are both part of the target audience of this horrifying Rapids chage. The difference is only that you decided to pay the incredibly expensive price to get Rapids back and I didn't and decided never to pay this company a single cent again until they change this to something more reasonable.

Calm_Fury

Alhatariel wrote: »

I have 12 chars and half of them have rapid en the other half had it but missed it now. I do crafting dailies with them each and I will buy the skillline for the 6 that missed their rapid. Its a lot of money but PvP is really not my cup of tea.
For me means, besides buying the full skilline for the 6 so I can do my daily writs again fast, that I will never shall start a new char again.....


Ala

That is a tough one. I would never pay for that.

What ended up happening is that I stopped playing my characters that lost Rapids for now. Once Markhat hits, I'll just make a "general" PvP setup to farm this again.

But yeah, very annoying. I completely changed my mind on this change. As I said before, I didn't think it was a big issue, but now that I saw how much it affected my characters, I really think this was the wrong move.

Varana

Dear ZOS,
giving out speed lessons as daily rewards does in no way address the issue.
Rapids (read the tool tip if it's not clear to you) works on top of mount speed.

LightYagami

Sorry for being off-topic.

My concern is that can we have rapid maneuver as sort of passive or auto-slotted skill when we're on the mount?

It's really annoying to swap that skill on and off frequently when traveling and fighting.

Safora13

Just another vote for please put it back...or remove it from the PvP skill line altogether and have it as a reward for hitting cp160 or something (and then make it account-wide) I don't PvP. The only reason I have it now is from the AP in the daily chests. I find PvP stressful and competitive If I wanted that - I'd go outside I also have my antiquarian character who doesn't fight and having to drag her into PvP would be killing her RP backstory for me.

I don't understand why ZOS would want to force people to play in ways they don't enjoy in order to get skills. And having a bunch of people in PvP zones that don't want to be there, can't be fun for the people who really enjoy it either.

Apox

so why dont you guys just revert the change, put rapids back at 2, drop the requirement for vigor to assault 3. it still takes a little pvp to get but not so much that its out of the question for a fresh stam toon that needs vigor for pve reasons.

for example, if you do the cyrodiil intro quest, you make it about halfway through assault/support 2. it takes 1 bg to get to assault/support 3, dont even need a win.

Elvenheart

itsfatbass wrote: »

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Or at least tell us why you won’t. And I don’t mean the answer that says Vigor was needed by stamina characters, I mean the answer as to why 1 skill just can’t be Rank 1 or 2 and the other skill Rank 3 or 4.

itsfatbass

Elvenheart wrote: »

itsfatbass wrote: »

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Or at least tell us why you won’t. And I don’t mean the answer that says Vigor was needed by stamina characters, I mean the answer as to why 1 skill just can’t be Rank 1 or 2 and the other skill Rank 3 or 4.

Yeah their argument about stam toons needing a heal is utterly disconnected. That has literally NEVER been the case.

SydneyGrey

I only have one character that didn't have Assault 5 before this change. I've been trying to take advantage of the 100% XP boost this event to level him up, and it's PAINFUL for him to run around at speed 30 with no Rapids.

Not sure why they can't leave Vigor where it is now, but swap Rapids with Siege Shield. Seems that would be the best solution right now.
Alternately they can put Rapids in the Soul Magic line as the first unlock.
Two very simple solutions, but they don't seem to want to do it.

SilverBride

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts and feedback about this change. We’ve been reading your feedback since this change went onto the PTS, and we understand the concerns you’ve presented here. Ultimately, this swap happened so Stamina builds have access to a heal earlier in the leveling experience. While we recognize being able to have Rapids as the first skill to use on other characters is convenient, Vigor is considered a must-have for Stamina build survivability, so giving access to the heal earlier is a major quality of life improvement for those players. We are happy with how this change is performing and have no current plans to revert it.

Rapids is considered a convenience, not a necessity. Many players, myself included, do not find it useful enough to take up a valuable slot on their skill bar. ZoS is happy with the change and nothing is going to be reverted or switched around.

allhailskippy

SilverBride wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts and feedback about this change. We’ve been reading your feedback since this change went onto the PTS, and we understand the concerns you’ve presented here. Ultimately, this swap happened so Stamina builds have access to a heal earlier in the leveling experience. While we recognize being able to have Rapids as the first skill to use on other characters is convenient, Vigor is considered a must-have for Stamina build survivability, so giving access to the heal earlier is a major quality of life improvement for those players. We are happy with how this change is performing and have no current plans to revert it.

Rapids is considered a convenience, not a necessity. Many players, myself included, do not find it useful enough to take up a valuable slot on their skill bar. ZoS is happy with the change and nothing is going to be reverted or switched around.

There is still LOTS of room for improvement. We've been over and over this. Nobody is unhappy with vigor being in first slot. We're just not happy with the current state of Rapids. This can be changed without touching vigor.

Even you agree that there is compromise available to be had here.

SilverBride

"allhailskippy wrote: »

Even you agree that there is compromise available to be had here.

This is true. I do think just lowering the rank needed for Rapids down to 3 or 4 is reasonable and wouldn't affect Vigor or any of the other skills. But I have very serious doubts this is going to happen because they made it very clear how they feel.

If I was a PvPer I would offer to help people get it back, but I'm not. Because, honestly I hate seeing players still hanging on to hope for something that isn't going to happen.