SydneyGrey wrote: »Good luck doing those Psijic quests without Rapids, people.
Everybody without exception needs rapid and quite a lot of people needs vigor as well. For first glance it almost doesn't matter which one is the first skill.
But in reality you need to follow a group in Cyrodiil if you want to level your skill line and without rapid it is a very frustrating experience. You can't go to resources in time and so on.
Rapid is a fundamental skill for being able to get vigor, but vigor doesn't really help you to get rapid.
Please drop hubris and change this back.
It isn't true that "everybody without exception needs rapid". In my case, six years on with 40+ characters not one of them has ever used it.
However, and I say this as someone who has also never done PvP in ESO (as opposed to other games) - if you want a PvP skill, be prepared to do the PvP content to earn it.
wolonggong wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »[snip]
Anyone could use it, before. Not everyone did.
[snip]
I really do not see why a player would spend a point on a skill, to not use often, when it has ONLY ONE PURPOSE and ONE REASON TO GET IT...to move faster.
Seriously. Been playing on and off since beta and I rarely go more than an hour without seeing someone smash that skill the second they mount up to get to where they are going, or seeing someone using it while traveling myself. This idea that people are spending a point to unlock a speed buff and not use it is just plain ridiculous.
But no no, this skill, that just so happens to be the one that was changed, is the one skill in game people are going to spend a point on to not use, because, the change needs defending!
JoeCapricorn wrote: »JoeCapricorn wrote: »The absolute LEAST they could do is lower the requirements to get Rapids. The best they could do is also make it require Assault 2, because this is a skill a LOT of people have on their bar.
But you’re missing the point. The point of the change was to make Rapids harder to get, so you will be more likely to purchase speed upgrades from the crown store. Vigor is just a diversion.
To Oblivion with that point. I want to say stronger words but I also want to come across as respectful and courteous.
ZOS has listened to the community in the past and I hope they will listen once more in this instance.
We have been vehemently protesting this change for weeks on the test server, as well as in the open forums. I’m not sure why you feel they will listen now when they have ignored us all along.
Thechuckage wrote: »[snip]wolonggong wrote: »Outside of Cyrodiil, where Assault 5 is going to be common, I rarely see anyone using Rapid Maneuvers except for a few higher level crafting resource farmers. i would suggest that fewer people are using it for PVE, as a percentage of the total population, than the percentage of people running Stamina.
That is pure BS. Everyone that has it uses it to get to anyplace they are going FASTER.
Anyone could use it, before. Not everyone did. This isnt the first time skills have been moved around inside the trees and is likely not the last.
If this really is the straw that broke the camels back, then that sucks. Or adapt and overcome. More threads are not likely to have a positive outcome - vMA showed us that.
JoeCapricorn wrote: »It would be irresponsible of them for them to not comment on this matter directly at some point this week (probably not tonight, it is past midnight here)
An acknowledgement of the issue at hand, at the very least.
Then they need to LISTEN to us. Give our rapids back! #FREETHERAPIDS
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »this, I've been running battleground in an attempt to grind alliance war skill line to get Rapids back. 3 hours so far and probably another hour to go. Multiply that by over ten non-pvp characters. I could just buy the skill line as it's maxed on a few actual PvP characters but no. I'm not going to do that even if they drop the cost to 500 crowns.
at this rate is will take me over 50 hours in game to grind back to where i was. I don't think that's going to happen either.
I'm seriously considering quitting the game.
Ummm no way dude if you have PvP characters you know how easy it is to get rank 5 heal if you pve toons are magic just pop on a healing staff and heal zergs for 30 minutes it’s literally the super fast way to grind PvP.
um, "yeah, way dude".
I did't want to go into Cyro without Rapids as that's a pain due to traveling speeds. so I was running Battlegrounds. It's easy to check the time when you start and then when you stop. It's even easier to set a timer on your phone. This includes the que time, not just the time actually in the BG. So yeah, I'm dead certain about the time elapsed. And this would need to be done on multiple characters to get back a skill I've been using since launch.
It's just un-fun, kind of like when a serious PvPer has to run the same dungeon over and over and over to get that one piece of gear they need.
also, most of my characters are stam builds, only a few use vigor. They're all more than just "viable"
funny thing is if I had Rapids and needed to grind something out in PvP I would just go to Cyrodil and do it there. But I don't have Rapids on these characters anymore...
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »this, I've been running battleground in an attempt to grind alliance war skill line to get Rapids back. 3 hours so far and probably another hour to go. Multiply that by over ten non-pvp characters. I could just buy the skill line as it's maxed on a few actual PvP characters but no. I'm not going to do that even if they drop the cost to 500 crowns.
at this rate is will take me over 50 hours in game to grind back to where i was. I don't think that's going to happen either.
I'm seriously considering quitting the game.
Ummm no way dude if you have PvP characters you know how easy it is to get rank 5 heal if you pve toons are magic just pop on a healing staff and heal zergs for 30 minutes it’s literally the super fast way to grind PvP.
Why say things that are not true? No "zerg" moves in slowmo... Without rapids you catch one or two loadscreens and you and your resto staff will arrive AFTER the point flips. I don't understand why they even allow these dumb comments like "It only takes 30 min" or "follow the zerg" It just isn't true. And I have 6 of 15 with Alliance War rank 10.
You are giving bad information and hope that who you give it to will not know better.
Because I prefer not to waste my time playing horse simulator. Just because you don’t like to rush doesn’t mean others can’t.
Sounds more like you failed to have a plan. You can look at the map and see where the zergs are, then you can either get ahead of them to defend the keep or help take it, depending on which side you are on.
I don’t PvP, so your point is moot. This may come as a shock, but there are other uses for rapids in the game.
If you want to get raids quickly you can use the zergs to gain lots of AP. So have a plan, look at the map, and either defend against them or aid them. Would you do a trial without a plan?
Thechuckage wrote: »wolonggong wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »[snip]
Anyone could use it, before. Not everyone did.
[snip]
I really do not see why a player would spend a point on a skill, to not use often, when it has ONLY ONE PURPOSE and ONE REASON TO GET IT...to move faster.
Seriously. Been playing on and off since beta and I rarely go more than an hour without seeing someone smash that skill the second they mount up to get to where they are going, or seeing someone using it while traveling myself. This idea that people are spending a point to unlock a speed buff and not use it is just plain ridiculous.
But no no, this skill, that just so happens to be the one that was changed, is the one skill in game people are going to spend a point on to not use, because, the change needs defending!
[snip]
There are more skill points in game than most builds will ever need. Fully fleshed out tank, with multiple crafting skills maxed and still have un-used skill points. Its entirely possible to put skill points to something and it rarely or even never gets used.
[snip] I'm not working for ZoS. Cant do anything to help you. I can tell you they aren't likely to change their stance, based off previous experience.
JoeCapricorn wrote: »It would be irresponsible of them for them to not comment on this matter directly at some point this week (probably not tonight, it is past midnight here)
An acknowledgement of the issue at hand, at the very least.
johnebrown wrote: »JoeCapricorn wrote: »JoeCapricorn wrote: »The absolute LEAST they could do is lower the requirements to get Rapids. The best they could do is also make it require Assault 2, because this is a skill a LOT of people have on their bar.
But you’re missing the point. The point of the change was to make Rapids harder to get, so you will be more likely to purchase speed upgrades from the crown store. Vigor is just a diversion.
To Oblivion with that point. I want to say stronger words but I also want to come across as respectful and courteous.
ZOS has listened to the community in the past and I hope they will listen once more in this instance.
We have been vehemently protesting this change for weeks on the test server, as well as in the open forums. I’m not sure why you feel they will listen now when they have ignored us all along.
I don't know, maybe they are hiding & just waiting for us to go quietly into the night?
If we do, they definitely won't change it.
JoeCapricorn wrote: »And no, I don't think they have an official policy of "silence", they have to comment on this sooner or later. I hope. Maybe tomorrow? Maybe sometime later this week? The devs have lives too and there is still the pandemic that is going on.
Everybody without exception needs rapid and quite a lot of people needs vigor as well. For first glance it almost doesn't matter which one is the first skill.
But in reality you need to follow a group in Cyrodiil if you want to level your skill line and without rapid it is a very frustrating experience. You can't go to resources in time and so on.
Rapid is a fundamental skill for being able to get vigor, but vigor doesn't really help you to get rapid.
Please drop hubris and change this back.
It isn't true that "everybody without exception needs rapid". In my case, six years on with 40+ characters not one of them has ever used it.
However, and I say this as someone who has also never done PvP in ESO (as opposed to other games) - if you want a PvP skill, be prepared to do the PvP content to earn it.
But before yesterday, there wasn't actually any PvP involved in getting Rapid Maneuvers.
The entirety of unlocking the skill was exactly this: Be lvl 10, press L, queue into any Cyrodiil campaign. Zone in, talk to the lady with an arrow over her head. She tells you to deliver something somewhere else in the base. Then that person tells you to go talk to the siege trainer... still within the safety of your own area. Talk to the siege person, boom, you get 2 skill points and are now lvl 2 in Assault and Support. Press K, buy your Rapids, and leave.
As of now, this is all you have to do to get Vigor instead. But you will have to do a lot of fighting to get up to rank 5 and buy the riding skill you have already enjoyed for years.
To everyone saying those of us considering leaving are being childish etc... it's not JUST this one thing that is making us consider leaving. It's the fact that this is just another example in a long line of changes that didn't need to be made where the community has been very vocal and very IGNORED!