Bug some players received 60k-100k crowns

redgreensunset

TineaCruris wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

...to uh, ya, this.....um....punishing players because ZOS made a deposit in their bank that shouldn't have happened. ZOS messes up, then punishes the players for the ZOS mistake.

wow. just wow.

Spending crowns or gold that the game auto deposits to you is definitely not an exploit. If I find a $20 on the ground while walking into the grocery store, it becomes mine unless someone is standing right there trying to pick it up because they just dropped it. ...and $20 real money is worth $20 more than 100k crowns.

..and on that note, I better log in and check my crown supply! This kind of thing never happens to me for some reason.

False analogy. It's more like waking up finding 300k on your bank account that you know weren't there yesterday and which you aren't sure where comes from. You're the one who is going to be charged with, I believe in the US it would be fraud, even if it is a banking clerk error. Because you should have known that money weren't yours to spend.

No. Crowns have no value. They are pixels.

Out of curiosity, what do you think modern money are? What do you think modern money is, objectively, worth?

scorpius2k1

Right Zo$, right.

Punishing players for something they once again messed up. Have fun banning all these accounts that do spend them, especially since you rely on 3rd party websites as a primary way to communicate with your player base and many will just think it's a gift. The Crown Store backfiring on itself and incurring financial damage to the company, I can't help but find a bit of irony here. Wonder how long it will take them to fix this bug? 6+ years? Surely not.

markulrich1966 wrote: »

this screenshot circulates on facebook, some people there confirm they got 5000-100.000 crowns, a guy from my friendlist confirms it, too.

Gilvoth

2020 real world problems is based on what a person thinks

idk

LOL People found an unexpected windfall of crowns and they spent them thinking they could keep them? It would have been funnier if they had a windfall of money in their checking account and spent that because the bank, and the law, would not be forgiving of making such an ill-thought choice of spending it as though it was actually yours.

robwolf666

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Right Zo$, right.

Punishing players for something they once again messed up. Have fun banning all these accounts that do spend them, especially since you rely on 3rd party websites as a primary way to communicate with your player base and many will just think it's a gift. The Crown Store backfiring on itself and incurring financial damage to the company, I can't help but find a bit of irony here. Wonder how long it will take them to fix this bug? 6+ years? Surely not.

markulrich1966 wrote: »

this screenshot circulates on facebook, some people there confirm they got 5000-100.000 crowns, a guy from my friendlist confirms it, too.

Really? People would actually think it's a gift? lol
Let's work this out... I received around 62K of Crowns. If I'd paid for them on the XB1 store it would've cost me around £330!
You'd have to be pretty moronic to think a game would gift you something that expensive.

As soon as I saw them I knew to leave it alone and contact CS.

method__01

very messy situation,imo ZOS must find a way to take away the items bought with crowns without ban the accounts
but....you walk the street and find a paper bag with f.e 5000 $,can you spend them?i think not

Katheriah

ZOS, you forgot to deposit my free crowns.

Astrid

Ah who honestly cares?
We xbox players will find out one way or another what’s going to happen. You don’t have to sit and argue morality and right from wrong between yourselves. If it doesn’t affect you what’s the problem? If you’re “morally correct” and wouldn’t spend the crowns given to you, good job here’s a cookie. If you’re “morally incorrect” and would spend them like the vast majority of people i’ve encountered have.. well, that’s their problem. Not yours.
I will however say if they're permabanned for something not entirely their fault and done by the majority - I really will lose all faith in ZoS.
Should they have done it? Probably not. Did it show its entirely human nature by the fact that everyone besides the goody two shoes did it? Very much so.

ZoS needs to take into account humanity and error on their customers behalf ASWELL as their own.

Anyways, bit of a boring read this was.

scorpius2k1

robwolf666 wrote: »

Really? People would actually think it's a gift? lol
Let's work this out... I received around 62K of Crowns. If I'd paid for them on the XB1 store it would've cost me around £330!
You'd have to be pretty moronic to think a game would gift you something that expensive.

As soon as I saw them I knew to leave it alone and contact CS.

Absolutely, tell me why some wouldn't think that? We cannot think & speak for everyone. Think of how many people that aren't even going to know why or what happened (especially new players)...and then there is the absolute fact that not everyone is as honest as you or I would be about it. It's ZoS' screw up in the end so regardless, players shouldn't be punished. Maybe they should actually own up to their own mistakes for once. They obviously don't have much of a choice at this point except to threaten the playerbase with bans, which is actually pretty crappy when they created the problem in the first place. That's the point.

On another note, we could also waste more time and debate over a few sticks while we're at it too if you want? It will probably have the same outcome as this topic.

Syldras

robwolf666 wrote: »

Technically it is real money since you have to buy them before using them in the store.

I agree. It's strange some people don't seem to realize that.

Astrid wrote: »

You don’t have to sit and argue morality and right from wrong between yourselves.

I don't care for morals, I'm just amazed how naive many people seem to be. Yes, there had been gifts by ZOS before, but crowns worth several hundreds of dollars/euro/pounds/whatever?! That actually should make you wonder what's going on and stay cautious instead of assuming everything's fine and you may spend it all.

TequilaFire

If you play GTAV Rockstar gives big sums away all the time. Last Jan I got 2 million GTA$.
So not out of the realm of reason that a new ESO player may be confused.
But giveaways are usually announced for the advertisement and incentive to play.
A mess as usual. smh

Syldras

TequilaFire wrote: »

If you play GTAV Rockstar gives big sums away all the time. Last Jan I got 2 million GTA$.

That's about 20 Euros or 23 USD (if I'm not wrong), not several hundreds.

Anfieldkris

Not sure any of the analogies are too helpful. They all start from the perspective of assuming everyone receiving the crowns should absolutely know it was an accident. I expect most players who have been around a while would have guessed something obviously wasn’t right. The amounts deposited are way out in value from any previous ‘gift’. I’m not on Xbox so the accidental crown deposit doesn’t apply to me.

However, let’s say I was a new player on Xbox who bought Greymoor and I’m not yet in a guild or on the forums. Every day when I log in a get free stuff (happy days). I got a small amount of free crowns when I created my first character. Yesterday my daily log in reward was 100k gold. I can spend it on whatever I want and there’s no issue. Then I get 60k crowns. Very generous. As a new player, how would I be supposed to know the difference? Fine, take the crowns away, but permaban for new players?

Charon_on_Vacation

either the people that spend the crowns are stupid or they knew they don't own the crowns.
in both cases there would be a punishment in common law, so i don't see any reason why there shouldn't be some form of punishment from zos.
banning them would be totally fine, because nobody really needs people with bad morals anyway, though i don't think zos wants to do that.
it will be interesting to see what they are going to do.

Syldras

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

either the people that spend the crowns are stupid or they knew they don't own the crowns. in both cases there would be a punishment in common law, so i don't see any reason why there shouldn't be some form of punishment from zos.

I would decide it depending on the amount that was spent. From what I read, not everyone got huge amounts of crowns, some had only 1k or 2k more. I think you might oversee that. At least I, personally, don't know if I've got 4k or 5k at the moment (from ESO+), so I would just not realize if there's suddenly 1k more. It's a different thing with 50k and more, of course.

HoolDog

People who didn’t receive or spend the incorrect crowns seem pretty emotionally invested in what happens to other folks. Think you all need to stop worrying about people spending imaginary currency on imaginary belongings.

ZOS will know who got what and will act accordingly... although bans would be insane seen as this is going to include a large percentage of the actual subscribed EU server.

SeaGtGruff

robwolf666 wrote: »

Yeah... I got credited with around 60K of Crowns yesterday. Given the message about today's maintenance, it's a good job that I resisted the urge to go on a spending spree. lol

Honest to a fault, I guess. I knew there was something weird going on, I even tried to contact them about it.

Good for you!

SpiderKnight

They should do this more often to weed out the rotten, untrustworthy people from the game. Give them an IP ban though.

xI_The_Owl_Ix

This thread right now:

Stop! You have violated the Law!
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentance.
Your stolen goods are now forfeit

Env_t

please add the same bug for PC! i want free crowns!

SweepsAllClowns

Lesson learned from the free necromancer class case, when some players, who didn't even pay for it, still got to keep it and continue playing. Conclusion: always keep what's given no matter how obvious it might seem it's not as intended, just like the free necromancer case.

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karekiz

Guys Guys Guys

I can't wait till someone knows the true secret. You don't spend the crowns on YOUR account. You buy gifts for MULTIPLE peoples account!

Random person? Gift them content!
Selling crowns? Eeeezeee

1 month later.

That guy now no longer has access to his content or is auto banned because software "it just works".

Ohhh boy CS issues all day.

kargen27

TineaCruris wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

...to uh, ya, this.....um....punishing players because ZOS made a deposit in their bank that shouldn't have happened. ZOS messes up, then punishes the players for the ZOS mistake.

wow. just wow.

Spending crowns or gold that the game auto deposits to you is definitely not an exploit. If I find a $20 on the ground while walking into the grocery store, it becomes mine unless someone is standing right there trying to pick it up because they just dropped it. ...and $20 real money is worth $20 more than 100k crowns.

..and on that note, I better log in and check my crown supply! This kind of thing never happens to me for some reason.

If a bank deposits money in your account by mistake you are not legally entitled to that money. If you withdraw it or otherwise spend it you can be charged with a crime. Even if you are not charged with a crime you will have to pay the money back. If you only transfer it to another account so you can collect interest on the money until they find the mistake that is also a crime.

Crowns are not real money. Crowns have no real life value.

And how does a person go about getting the crowns from ZoS? They purchase them. They purchase them with real money. The real life value of crowns after the purchase is entertainment. Like books, songs, movies and other similar things there is a value. People try to argue downloading songs isn't stealing because it is just a digital copy and that makes it okay. That attitude is wrong and so is thinking it is okay to take crowns because they are only digital.

Jayman1000

Just don't use any of those crowns if you got more than you should. Then, if in a year or something the crowns against expectations are still on your account you can contact customer support and tell them the crowns are still there and that you are perplexed that they haven't yet taken them back.

Cadbury

Oh, Clavicus Vile you scoundrel!

SydneyGrey

The sad thing is that some people won't notice the number of crowns they have, and buy something in the crown store without knowing there are more crowns there than there was last week. Then they'll get banned unjustly over something that wasn't their fault.
Most people who play ESO don't hang around on these forums, and don't check their crown numbers daily. People like me buy a couple of big packs of crowns when they're on sale, then sit on them for months without checking them again.

idk

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

robwolf666 wrote: »

Really? People would actually think it's a gift? lol
Let's work this out... I received around 62K of Crowns. If I'd paid for them on the XB1 store it would've cost me around £330!
You'd have to be pretty moronic to think a game would gift you something that expensive.

As soon as I saw them I knew to leave it alone and contact CS.

Absolutely, tell me why some wouldn't think that? We cannot think & speak for everyone. Think of how many people that aren't even going to know why or what happened (especially new players)...and then there is the absolute fact that not everyone is as honest as you or I would be about it. It's ZoS' screw up in the end so regardless, players shouldn't be punished. Maybe they should actually own up to their own mistakes for once. They obviously don't have much of a choice at this point except to threaten the playerbase with bans, which is actually pretty crappy when they created the problem in the first place. That's the point.

The same common sense that tells them the several hundred thousand euro or dollars that was mysteriously deposited into their bank account is not really their money and the bank will take it back. If they try to spend it first the bank will still get their money from them.

What Zos does about those who were not bright enough to realize it was not really their crowns is up to Zos but I do not think I would miss such people if Zos did decide to ban them.

SweepsAllClowns

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

They obviously don't have much of a choice at this point except to threaten the playerbase with bans, which is actually pretty crappy when they created the problem in the first place.

They obviously have exactly the same choice with these crowns as they had with the free necromancer characters, in both cases zenimax created the whole situation as they quite often do. The difference is the free crown people are threatened with bans and the free necromancer people were rewarded by letting them keep their unpaid class and keep on playing with them. In some free necromancer thread I mentioned the similar case wouldn't be the last one and it will be very interesting to see how the similar inevitable cases will be handled. Punishment is the primary solution in 2020!

pod88kk

Let's be real about this.

Yes Zos may have lost revenue but seeing as this appears to have happened to a large portion of ESO+ subscribers don't you think this will lead to a further loss in revenue if they ban all those peoples monthly payments will be gone too. I'm guessing the majority of players wont subscribe to a game they are banned from.

If I was calling the shots I'd leave those players crown balances negative and any future crown purchases/ESO+ crowns should be put to returning that balance to 0.

I think that allocating that kind of manpower(person power) could be better put to use in other parts of the company rather to figuring out what items are linked to this mix up.

Stay safe folks