GREYMOOR DESYNCS!

BXR_Lonestar

When the patch first came out, I experienced some improvement in performance, but since the Free 2 Play and events rolled around, the performance issues have definitely degraded. This leads me to believe that part of the issue may be that it is time for Zos to simply upgrade their servers and increase bandwidth, as the increased player population and server load has seemed to be a correlating factor (I can't say for sure that it is actually causing the issues).

As for the issues themselves, lots of crashes - particularly in Cyrodil or in Trials where you have 12 or more players performing an activity in the same area, FPS drop rates and rubber-banding in those two areas of play, as well as at Anchors where there are a lot of people, and inability to use abilities or attacks at certain points of time. A friend of mine has also experienced similar issues in 4 man dungeons, although I have not personally experienced those same issues. And we get numerous time-outs where we are logged out of the game for seemingly no reason.

If these issues improve AFTER the free-to-play crowd goes away, then I definitely think Zos needs to evaluate whether increasing server capacity would help bring some short-term relief to players as they continue to dig deeper into figuring out where the real problem lies.

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Unfadingsilence

As i have said before this is an issue
https://youtu.be/JeGrltFDNic

Karmanorway

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

As i have said before this is an issue
https://youtu.be/JeGrltFDNic

Holy snip 😱 how do you make it run so well in Cyrodiil?? I have a brand new 2000$ computer and fiber internet, and my performance in cyro is worse lol 😂

Unfadingsilence

Karmanorway wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

As i have said before this is an issue
https://youtu.be/JeGrltFDNic

Holy snip 😱 how do you make it run so well in Cyrodiil?? I have a brand new 2000$ computer and fiber internet, and my performance in cyro is worse lol 😂

I live next door to the main NA server 😉

technohic

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

As i have said before this is an issue
https://youtu.be/JeGrltFDNic

Holy snip 😱 how do you make it run so well in Cyrodiil?? I have a brand new 2000$ computer and fiber internet, and my performance in cyro is worse lol 😂

I live next door to the main NA server 😉

Can you go over and jiggle the cables or something? Maybe somethings loose. Or reboot their router which seems to be a big thing for them.

danthemann5

It's still early in the evening, and we're just getting into Cyrodiil prime time, but from what I've seen so far, there seems to be some improvement. I think they actually fixed...something. There's still some skill delay at times, but in the fights I've had against enemy players, all my skills worked in a timely manner...SO FAR. The next 3 hours will tell the tale.

technohic

My buffs and heals worked so self-targeting seems to be better like some lag has fixed but maybe not. I was not in the mood to go very long as I found the below, and got into a fight and couldn't do anything melee while noticing my health bar was not moving at all. I started plunking light attacks with my bow back bar, and that worked so it seems to be positional desync.



Notice my nose right on the door but the message in the top right corner. I had to relog and when I got back in, I was through the gate.

danthemann5

THIS JUST IN!

Approximately 8 vs. 8 outside Dragonclaw just now. After a few minutes of fighting, break-free, dodge roll, skills, everything just stopped working. I tried to run away and got rubber banded back into the blob.

I'll try again after the next "fix" patch in a week or two, although I don't expect much at this point.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of other games that work (and other activities) to spend time and money on.

Unfadingsilence

technohic wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

As i have said before this is an issue
https://youtu.be/JeGrltFDNic

Holy snip 😱 how do you make it run so well in Cyrodiil?? I have a brand new 2000$ computer and fiber internet, and my performance in cyro is worse lol 😂

I live next door to the main NA server 😉

Can you go over and jiggle the cables or something? Maybe somethings loose. Or reboot their router which seems to be a big thing for them.

tried it was a no go

Reverb

technohic wrote: »

I want to quit calling the issues lag as its clearly more than that. Position and health desync is more than just late. Getting stuck in a slow state is a bug and not lag. Lag kind of infers network or hardware latency and I think that is only a small part of it.

Agreed. We know lag. We’ve lived with lag in this game, and will continue to do so. These issues introduced in U25 are wholly different, and incredibly frustrating.

WoppaBoem

Reverb wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I want to quit calling the issues lag as its clearly more than that. Position and health desync is more than just late. Getting stuck in a slow state is a bug and not lag. Lag kind of infers network or hardware latency and I think that is only a small part of it.

Agreed. We know lag. We’ve lived with lag in this game, and will continue to do so. These issues introduced in U25 are wholly different, and incredibly frustrating.

It feels completly broken, I wished it was just lag and FPS drops, we are in a whole different ball game atm, skills not firing, skills very delayed, people teleporting including yourself around the world, 10sec dizzy swing cast time and so one it is so bad.......

TineaCruris

The 4/13 patch did little to nothing to improve any performance issues. There are still major desync's in cyrodiil, especially from siege. It' common to be at full health, then keel over dead for no apparent reason, then when checking your death recap it's 100% siege that never registered on your health bar until you died.

Anomander72

I do not want to violate terms by mentioning any other company specifically, so I will just say that a prominent video conferencing company announced last week that they would halt the development of new features and enhancements, and spend the next 90 days improving the security and stability of the existing product. That is brave, and needed in the face of many issues with the product. It is time for Zenimax to do the same thing quite honestly. That is not a ding or a criticism, it is simply what is needed at this point.

TineaCruris

The health bar desyncs are horrible. NPC's can hit us, but we can't hit them apparently due to the NPC not actually being where we are trying to attack.

Why is hitting NPC's harder than hitting player characters during high ping?

Elsonso

TineaCruris wrote: »

The health bar desyncs are horrible. NPC's can hit us, but we can't hit them apparently due to the NPC not actually being where we are trying to attack.

That is not really a health bar desync. Health bar desync is usually when damage has been done but the health bar does not show it. For example, they are at full health (because of healing) or dead (because of lack of healing) and the bar is still in the middle, somewhere.

Both can make it look like you are doing no damage, or the bar not updating, but in your case, it is because you are not actually facing where your opponent is and you are not doing damage, not because your damage has not appeared on the health bar.

TineaCruris

Elsonso wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

The health bar desyncs are horrible. NPC's can hit us, but we can't hit them apparently due to the NPC not actually being where we are trying to attack.

That is not really a health bar desync. Health bar desync is usually when damage has been done but the health bar does not show it. For example, they are at full health (because of healing) or dead (because of lack of healing) and the bar is still in the middle, somewhere.

Both can make it look like you are doing no damage, or the bar not updating, but in your case, it is because you are not actually facing where your opponent is and you are not doing damage, not because your damage has not appeared on the health bar.

It's desync's. I was talking about two different examples and muddling them together. The health bar desync is most often from siege, but sometimes from players directly too. You don't see your health bar go down. Then you check your death recap and it's all siege or low instances of damage that took you from 100% to 0% instantly. The not being able to attack NPC's is another example. The game sees the player and the npc as being in different locations that the player sees them apparently, so you attack away and nothing happens except the animation of your attacks. I'm also getting hit by siege when I'm WELL out of the aoe displayed. That is yet another desync. The game thinks the player is somewhere different than where the player sees themselves to be.

So ya, it's pretty damn bad in cyro. How long has it been like this?

precambria

Posting to bump this thread because I can't even do 4 man content properly, the game is functionally broken as far as I am concerned. Almost all of my actions are getting cancelled because of animations being busted now, I cannot even cast self buffs properly in combat this is not just lag I have 100 ping and 90+ FPS.

TineaCruris

I've been trying some larger group PvE since the PvP zones are in such bad shape. And yep, it seems there are some issues in PvE as well if the group is larger. How can there be so radical of performance difference for each type of play?

TineaCruris

Today was the worst I've seen it in Cyro since I started. This is really insane. How can there not be a patch on Monday with this kind of performance?

NinchiTV

revert the block changes, let us ani cancel and take cast time off ults.

Unfadingsilence

Was trying to have fun in some pvp this morning in blackreach and well yah dead campaign no bars on but still this
https://youtu.be/x4DS1poBxD0

coletas

TineaCruris wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

The health bar desyncs are horrible. NPC's can hit us, but we can't hit them apparently due to the NPC not actually being where we are trying to attack.

That is not really a health bar desync. Health bar desync is usually when damage has been done but the health bar does not show it. For example, they are at full health (because of healing) or dead (because of lack of healing) and the bar is still in the middle, somewhere.

Both can make it look like you are doing no damage, or the bar not updating, but in your case, it is because you are not actually facing where your opponent is and you are not doing damage, not because your damage has not appeared on the health bar.

It's desync's. I was talking about two different examples and muddling them together. The health bar desync is most often from siege, but sometimes from players directly too. You don't see your health bar go down. Then you check your death recap and it's all siege or low instances of damage that took you from 100% to 0% instantly. The not being able to attack NPC's is another example. The game sees the player and the npc as being in different locations that the player sees them apparently, so you attack away and nothing happens except the animation of your attacks. I'm also getting hit by siege when I'm WELL out of the aoe displayed. That is yet another desync. The game thinks the player is somewhere different than where the player sees themselves to be.

So ya, it's pretty damn bad in cyro. How long has it been like this?

Snipe health desynch, since day 1. Just ask snipers. The problem with last patch is that the desynchs are HUGE like i never seen. Lots of seconds of desynch, so you can be behind a guy during 20 seconds without hitting even 1 time and suddendly you are 20 seconds ago. Is random, you can be making a 2vs2 and your partner asking for help on discord while you are there "helping" and suddendly you are behind a rock 40 meters ago XD usually these desynchs were small, usually even funny, but with this "perfomance patch" is enough reason to stop playing because they are now really long and really frequent

Aektann

Problem is still here! Any ETA? Or you think we forget about this? This is just naive.

ZarkingFrued

I've seen no improvement

newtinmpls

Still a lagfest.

Just got booted trying to go through a gate in one of the Sai Sahan getting back the amulet bits.

redgreensunset

Aektann wrote: »

Problem is still here! Any ETA? Or you think we forget about this? This is just naive.

No, but they're occupied getting Greymoor ready. So no major fixes will be deployed until U26 and we'll have to fight with this for another what, six weeks?

technohic

I'm suspecting they're hoping the planned performance improvements they had for this next update will just work it out. I really doubt it does as they constantly have other issues. Just this week alone, it was people suddenly losing access to Elswyr, mass connectivity issues which they blame on ISPs and maybe rightfully so. But last week or the week before, poison just randomly showing up in Belkarth.

Just to many things point to incompetence more than poor optimization

Kuratius

BuT wE iNtRoDucEd sErVer sIdE dAmAgE cAlCuLaTiOnS tO FiX cHeAtInG!

No, all you did was give us lag. You should verify a random sample of the calculations, but leave the rest for clients to handle.

Tigertron

With the free plus week I came back to stock up the bag while I am boycotting. Thought I'd kill a few WB while I ran around and it's obvious nothing has changed. My main spamable seems to fire ok but the worst is leaching strikes. Nothing happens other than consume stamina. Relentless focus is another useless ability.
Out of combat they seem to fire just fine but as soon as I'm doing the exact same rotation and moving. It takes 3-4 key presses before it fires.

Just the new normal I guess until they can nerf combat to the one button rotation that is their end goal.