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Very disappointed in Murkmire event, and recent events.

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  • Varana
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    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff, there would've much less complaining, and most people would've thought this to be quite okay because mindless grinding is what you can expect from an MMO.

    This is what the guy in the video talked about in the context of loss-reward ratio: Dangle the possible reward in front of players (you can get X, Y, and Z!) and then threaten to take it away (but you might be unlucky!) to convince them to pay money (better complete the rewards with store tickets!). Two possible rewards in the boxes (pet parts, and memento parts) also make sure that the chance to get a decent amount of both, even with the abysmal RNG, is even lower, and that the probability of you getting parts from both is comparatively high. So chances are that you'll end up with two half-finished rewards, causing some players to buy tickets to complete them. It's predatory monetisation.

    And that is why players complain. Not because they don't get the rewards NOW!!!! but because they'll probably not get them at all, it's all about random chance, and obviously designed to lure them into the crown store.
  • LadyDestiny
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    CallmeFishmeal wrote: »
    With the launch of the Murkmire event, I've seen a pattern that ZOS has been leaning towards these past couple of events. To simply put it, these events are turning into cash grabs for ZOS. Before the Murkmire event started, I couldn't wait to get a voriplasm pet cause I think they look really cool! (Like Flubber or something.) On the second day of the event, I realized that it will be impossible for me to obtain the pet unless I use real money to buy crowns and pay for the individual parts from the impresario, which I refuse to do. One reason is the event is too short to even collect all the fragments. Secondly, not only do the voriplasm pet fragments drop, but also some dumb memento that I'll never use. Thirdly, the drop rate for anything good is so low that it's frustrating. I feel like ZOS is trolling us out of our time and money. Don't get me wrong, I like participating in the events and playing the game in general, but I don't want to spend 5+ hours grinding in Murkmire in hopes to get a decent drop. I just want to kill a WB, do a delve, get my tickets and a well deserved fragment, and move on with my game. Same with the previous events, grinding for hours in Imperial Sewers - Midyear Mayhem - and dungeons - Undaunted - in hopes to get a new Style Page when the drop rates were ridiculously low. I will only have enough to tickets to get the berries and feathers, but nothing else the impresario offers. Why would ZOS say "earn a voriplasm pet, and memento" when it's impossible to get them without spending crowns/real money, or literally not sleep to grind for endless hours? Doesn't seem like "earning" them in my opinion. I've played only in Murkmire since the event began, mostly dailies, catching up on overlooked quests, and farming nodes, and have only got 1 memento fragment. Maybe I'm just ranting about my awful RNG, but I feel like if we want to get the rewards possible from this event, we have to spend real money, which is rather disappointing. (And no, I'm not spending my hard earned gold to buy crowns either. ZOS just needs to be fair with their events and make them fun and rewarding.)

    I didn't even know you could buy the parts with crowns. Been away for awhile, but that's messed up.No wonder drops are so bad and Zos is being super stingy.
  • Olauron
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    jm42 wrote: »
    wait, you guys just want to get all of the event rewards guaranteed by spending 5 minutes a day and hitting a delve boss one time? am I right? I think you should just stop playing any mmorpgs to not be disappointed

    You are wrong. We just want event rewards be as accessible as they were for years of ESO events.
    The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
    One mer to rule them all,
    one mer to find them,
    One mer to bring them all
    and in the darkness bind them.
  • Sindarin
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    4th day of event and i didnt get neither fragment of memento nor pet, so good to know that 100% guaranteed gold box per day contains 100% rubbish but not guarantee fragment. since event last 12 days and u wont have all fragments, its good to know that u can only pay for event tickets to have pet or memento or both.
  • Cirantille
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    -Very low drop rate of extra boxes

    Let's say that this is okay

    -There is no guarantee even in guaranteed boxes contain fragments

    Let's say that even this is okay

    -Fragments are not tradeable

    Nothing to defend here and I don't think ZoS needs a defense at this point...
  • jm42
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    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways
    Edited by jm42 on February 23, 2020 1:23PM
  • jm42
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    Cirantille wrote: »
    -Fragments are not tradeable

    Nothing to defend here and I don't think ZoS needs a defense at this point...

    agree, this is the only thing ppl should complain about
  • Contaminate
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    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.
  • Ri_Khan
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    This is hilarious. Keep shooting yourselves in the foot, ZO$!
  • JanTanhide
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    I hear ya. I just don't do the events at all anymore. I haven't even gone to Murkmire yet. I just don't care to do all that stuff over and over and over. No thanks.
  • jm42
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    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things
    Edited by jm42 on February 23, 2020 1:51PM
  • Starlock
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    jm42 wrote: »
    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things

    So you’re okay with a company deliberately designing an event to coerce it’s customers into the cash shop? Because THAT is what the problem is here, not the grind.
  • jm42
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    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things

    So you’re okay with a company deliberately designing an event to coerce it’s customers into the cash shop? Because THAT is what the problem is here, not the grind.

    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game
    Edited by jm42 on February 23, 2020 2:25PM
  • Cirantille
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    Ok so I also confirm that it is possible to get 2 frags per boxes

    Today I got 2 pet frags

    Did they hear our screeching or what? :joy:
    Edited by Cirantille on February 23, 2020 2:33PM
  • Starlock
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    jm42 wrote: »
    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things

    So you’re okay with a company deliberately designing an event to coerce it’s customers into the cash shop? Because THAT is what the problem is here, not the grind.

    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game

    *facepalm*

    Someone doesn’t understand how marketing works, or how coercive marketing works...

    You’ll be easy prey.
  • Starlock
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    Cirantille wrote: »
    Ok so I also confirm that it is possible to get 2 frags per boxes

    Today I got 2 pet frags

    Did they hear our screeching or what? :joy:


    No, it’s always been random. I got 2 on day 2, and since then nothing. They designed this event to force players to pay to win the event rewards.
  • Olauron
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    jm42 wrote: »
    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game
    You are new here, right? This is not the first ESO event. It was possible all these years.
    The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
    One mer to rule them all,
    one mer to find them,
    One mer to bring them all
    and in the darkness bind them.
  • Kiralyn2000
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    Olauron wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game
    You are new here, right? This is not the first ESO event. It was possible all these years.

    Eh. As soon as they started adding more items to the ticket Vendor (for all the people who said "but I don't care about the mount!"), the I Must Collect Every Single Mount Variant folks started screeching that it wasn't possible to get everything. Nothing new, it's just that the "RNG ticket drop" aspect has made more people yell this time.
    Edited by Kiralyn2000 on February 23, 2020 4:33PM
  • jm42
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    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things

    So you’re okay with a company deliberately designing an event to coerce it’s customers into the cash shop? Because THAT is what the problem is here, not the grind.

    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game

    *facepalm*

    Someone doesn’t understand how marketing works, or how coercive marketing works...

    You’ll be easy prey.

    why? I don't spend any money on ESO except eso+, if I need crowns - I have gold for that. And still don't complain that I could not get all possible event cosmetics "guaranteed" right now, because I don't need it really.
    And really it is you, who don't understand
    Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
    the I Must Collect Every Single Mount Variant folks started screeching
    exactly. ppl just never will be satisfyed
    Edited by jm42 on February 23, 2020 4:42PM
  • Sindarin
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    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    well ESO isnt and wasnt every other mmo....i dont mind grinding during the event, i dont have to have all in first day, but i wish to have chance to have it in that particular event now at all, not waiting whole year to get pet in the next year, or paying for crowns to buy that event tickets...Average price in EU server on discord for 1 crown is 340g u need 35 tickets for pet its 8750 crowns for it (still, it's non combat pet....) so, almost 2kk for event non combat pet... u could just put it to the store, would be much more easier and clearly for all of us.
  • Khaleesi8688
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    I don't even need to be able to earn everything during an event myself. I'm happy to buy things from others in game to support the people who participated only to make some gold. But I will not pay ZoS for removing a way people make gold in the game so they can try to make some real cash instead.
  • moonsister
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    why? I don't spend any money on ESO except eso+, if I need crowns - I have gold for that. And still don't complain that I could not get all possible event cosmetics "guaranteed" right now, because I don't need it really.
    And really it is you, who don't understand

    ^this. I get why people might be disappointed because they can´ t get everything and they are collectors. But the options at the Impresario are just that- options. Noone ever promised you could get all of them. If you don´t care for the new Indrik you gotta have other options to spend the tickets. And I am glad there are options.

    As for the tickets and parts for teh pet/memento. I only got one stronbox per day and the 3 tickets - mostly from delve bosses- as a low lvl chars won´t do enough damage to get loot from a wb. I got 2 stake fragments and one pet fragment.

    If you have trouble getting the tickets my advice is to try delve bosses. They spawn quickly and you often have one to yourself.

  • Dusk_Coven
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    Olauron wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    wait, you guys just want to get all of the event rewards guaranteed by spending 5 minutes a day and hitting a delve boss one time? am I right? I think you should just stop playing any mmorpgs to not be disappointed

    You are wrong. We just want event rewards be as accessible as they were for years of ESO events.

    This is not huge cause for complaint per se. The event is just different from others. Some heads-up about their direction shift would be nice.

    But I think there wouldn't be as much complaining if the overall impression of ZOS hadn't suffered recently: Overlapping an event with the mandatory download, nerfing Iceheart to promote the upcoming DLC set / no sense of rhyme or reason to combat adjustments, silence on many issues, customer service disasters, group finder failure, game performance in Cyrodiil, game performance for PC(EU), etcetera... Even little things such as limited warning for events, errors and typos in announcements... It all adds up.
    ZOS has lost the benefit of the doubt and community goodwill. Unless they work to reverse that, it's just going to be more complaints every time they do something.
    Edited by Dusk_Coven on February 23, 2020 5:42PM
  • Starlock
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    jm42 wrote: »
    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Starlock wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Contaminate wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    Varana wrote: »
    No.
    If people knew they could reliably get the pet, memento, and berry from 12 days of doing event stuff

    but that's the point. it even should not be reliable and guaranteed, every mmo works like that. RNG works like that. how is it even possible to mix random drop and guaranteed reward? game is meant to take your time, to make you to return to next event not to lure you spend money, ppl who like it would spend it anyways

    Just take a moment to realize you’re claiming people should expect events to be unrewarding, frustrating RNG grinds that have good odds to take multiple rounds to obtain a single event reward.

    This is about ZOS wanting more money. Nothing else to it.

    Yes, i realized that ppl want make everything casual lvl 100 and then complain that ESO is too easy and has no challenge. You probably didn't played any other MMO's if you seriously complain here that someone can buy the things you must grind with RNG chanses. and by far totally cosmetic things

    So you’re okay with a company deliberately designing an event to coerce it’s customers into the cash shop? Because THAT is what the problem is here, not the grind.

    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game

    *facepalm*

    Someone doesn’t understand how marketing works, or how coercive marketing works...

    You’ll be easy prey.

    why? I don't spend any money on ESO except eso+, if I need crowns - I have gold for that. And still don't complain that I could not get all possible event cosmetics "guaranteed" right now, because I don't need it really.
    And really it is you, who don't understand.

    No, I understand perfectly well. I understand what Zenimax is doing with this event, which you apparently don’t since you still insist this is about guarenteeing event rewards. That isn’t the issue. The issue is that event tickets were introduced Spring 2019, and this event was specifically designed to make it impossible to get the event rewards without buying event tickets. The issue is that this is blatantly predatory monetization.

    If they’d been transparent about this and just put the pet and the memento in the cash shop directly, I’d be fine with it. If event tickets could only be earned by actually playing the game I’d be okay with it. If the fragments were tradable I’d be okay with it. In short, if this didn’t reek of yet another escalation of $oS predatory monetization I’d be okay with it. Nobody should be okay with this sort of crap. If you are, you aren’t paying attention to what the real issue is or don’t care about companies unethically manipulating their customers into irrational purchasing decisions (which you damn well should because nobody is immune to that).

  • Sergykid
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    Murkmire is a beautiful zone, but nobody enjoys it, nobody enjoys the actual gameplay. Most are only here for interest, profit seekers, loot lammas, flexers, and other repugnant gameplay styles.

    what do you even like in this game? that you can manage lots of stuff? that you can be a hoarder?
    -PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    Murkmire is a horrible extension in itself. Boring, ugly and hasn't peaked my interest at all (personal opinion).
    Lately DLC's have been kinda flat...Other games are cleaning the floor with simple yet effective 'gaming'...not questing...not looting....not eventing...'gaming'.
  • friimynd
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    it all adds up to more reasons to not play
    or maybe some people like the grind, idk
    grindfest
    grind event
    now if there was a pvp zone in murkmire? that would be cool
    gg ^&*
    Oh, now i 'C', lol ( * & ^ )
    Finally realized it is supposed to be about 'friends' online, lol; i thought it was about 'enemies' online, hmm
    Well, i can (must) buy the darkwood (?) sry, lol; blackwood expansion to get the companions, right? i'm looking into it right now.
    If they gonna put companions in the game, i'm a fool to say no (and be a f2p peon grinder, lol; feel for u, i used to do to) ;#)
  • Olauron
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    Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
    Olauron wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    no one is making you buy things, it is you who wants it right here, right now and for free. it is not possible in any game
    You are new here, right? This is not the first ESO event. It was possible all these years.

    Eh. As soon as they started adding more items to the ticket Vendor (for all the people who said "but I don't care about the mount!"), the I Must Collect Every Single Mount Variant folks started screeching that it wasn't possible to get everything. Nothing new, it's just that the "RNG ticket drop" aspect has made more people yell this time.
    Yes, because that was the start of the decline. I guess that someone at ZOS will literally die if they give enough tickets to get all event specific rewards (new berry and everything that is added like motif pages or memento parts) for those who are not blessed with RNG. Why else they are giving tickets so reluctantly? Oh, right, maybe they want to sell tickets. That is the second possible explanation.

    But at least even if it was hard or not possible to get everything personally that was not the end of the day as rewards were tradable and they were useful (as a collectible) on their own. Pet parts are useless. When I get 4 weapon styles out of 10+ at least I can use those style pages I got (or sell them if do not need them myself). If I get 4 parts of the pet till the end of the event then I got nothing at all. That is a huge difference.
    Sergykid wrote: »
    Murkmire is a beautiful zone, but nobody enjoys it, nobody enjoys the actual gameplay. Most are only here for interest, profit seekers, loot lammas, flexers, and other repugnant gameplay styles.

    what do you even like in this game? that you can manage lots of stuff? that you can be a hoarder?
    I am not a fan of lizards but I was doing Murkmire delve dailies when levelling alts. The thing is they are not fast enough comparing to Summerset. And there are only 2 delves. After a month of seeing every Murkmire delve two or more times a day I am 'a bit' tired of it. The same is with Clockwork city with its only 2 delves, the same is with Southern Elsweyr. And for zones with such a small variety when the zone is finished it is finished.
    Dusk_Coven wrote: »
    Olauron wrote: »
    jm42 wrote: »
    wait, you guys just want to get all of the event rewards guaranteed by spending 5 minutes a day and hitting a delve boss one time? am I right? I think you should just stop playing any mmorpgs to not be disappointed

    You are wrong. We just want event rewards be as accessible as they were for years of ESO events.

    This is not huge cause for complaint per se. The event is just different from others. Some heads-up about their direction shift would be nice.

    But I think there wouldn't be as much complaining if the overall impression of ZOS hadn't suffered recently: Overlapping an event with the mandatory download, nerfing Iceheart to promote the upcoming DLC set / no sense of rhyme or reason to combat adjustments, silence on many issues, customer service disasters, group finder failure, game performance in Cyrodiil, game performance for PC(EU), etcetera... Even little things such as limited warning for events, errors and typos in announcements... It all adds up.
    ZOS has lost the benefit of the doubt and community goodwill. Unless they work to reverse that, it's just going to be more complaints every time they do something.
    I will not argue with that. I thought that this will be the first patch for about a year that would be good (for me). Then Iceheart was nerfed cruelly. I thought that they would certainly not make an event during the re-downloading... and I was wrong.
    The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
    One mer to rule them all,
    one mer to find them,
    One mer to bring them all
    and in the darkness bind them.
  • Starlock
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    Olauron wrote: »
    Pet parts are useless. When I get 4 weapon styles out of 10+ at least I can use those style pages I got (or sell them if do not need them myself). If I get 4 parts of the pet till the end of the event then I got nothing at all. That is a huge difference.

    Urhg. I hadn't even thought about that part yet.

    I don't mind that fragments are in collectibles. There are some advantages to that. But if someone plays every day of the event, they should be able to get both collectibles. This shouldn't be RNG dependent. If it is RNG dependent, the fragments should be tradable like they have been for every other event in the past.

    If they wanted more options for event tickets (for the folks who want more options - that folk isn't me), they could have added in murkmire blueprints or furniture, some of which (like the green ones) are painfully rare.
  • DeathStalker_X
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    When you can BUY the same things that others WORK for, why bother at all? The Halloween event was pretty good, but that was really it for the last YEAR.

    This game has SO much potential, but honestly I don't see the Product Owner/s as having very much vision or inventiveness. And I blame ZEN for hiring people like that.
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