BRETONS - should not be 100% magicka

Nestor

I have a Breton NB. Used to do Hybrid when that was a thing. With 1.6, I tried Stamblade. Not good, so I put him in Magic. Much better.

I like that some races are Stamina, some are Magic, some can do both. We have 8 Slots and the opportunity to change Race. No need to make all Races good at everything.

Besides, even as beat up as it is, we have decades of Elder Scrolls lore.

zaria

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

How many people are playing stamina altmers ? I guess not a lot.
I never understood why zenimax choosed to make bretons 100% magicka while they're giving stam to altmers. This passive should have been for bretons

Thing with spell recharge is its only a stam passive when you are a mag char. As soon as you have more max stam than max mag on an altmer spell recharge will recharge mag so it doesnt help a hypothetical stam altmer with anything stam.

So in a comparison between stam altmer and stam breton altmer gets a bit of mag regen and max mag (spell Damage is completely useless for a stam build) and breton gets max mag, mag cost reduction and spell resistance. So actually stam Bretons get more out of their race than a stam altmer does since you can get (some) use out of all passives while the spell Damage from altmer is completely useless for a stam build since Nothing scales with it and for a pelinal build stacking weapon Damage is much more effective.

Yes and more magic regen on an stamina character is totally useless, nice for tanks but Altmer has pretty bad racials for tanking. Better stamina regen is nice in PvP, vMA or just sprinting, its an weak stat however.

idk

Nestor wrote: »

I have a Breton NB. Used to do Hybrid when that was a thing. With 1.6, I tried Stamblade. Not good, so I put him in Magic. Much better.

I like that some races are Stamina, some are Magic, some can do both. We have 8 Slots and the opportunity to change Race. No need to make all Races good at everything.

Besides, even as beat up as it is, we have decades of Elder Scrolls lore.

I also thought it was Zos' stated intent when they did the pass on racial passives that some classes would lean towards magicka, some stamina, and some hybrids.

One thing I noticed is that many of the threads calling for changes to race passives are really just wanting to buff the race to the purposes of what that particular person wants for their own particular use of the race.

Xarc

idk wrote: »

One thing I noticed is that many of the threads calling for changes to race passives are really just wanting to buff the race to the purposes of what that particular person wants for their own particular use of the race.

this is not my case

susmitds

Xarcus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

One thing I noticed is that many of the threads calling for changes to race passives are really just wanting to buff the race to the purposes of what that particular person wants for their own particular use of the race.

this is not my case

Mate, you are asking to nerf the magicka bonuses of one of the best magicka races right now for stamina racial bonuses to fit your head canon of stamina Breton racials.

idk

Xarcus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

One thing I noticed is that many of the threads calling for changes to race passives are really just wanting to buff the race to the purposes of what that particular person wants for their own particular use of the race.

this is not my case

It very much seems to be the case as you seem to be disregarded what the Breton race has been in TES games all along because you want it to favor stamina. Your comments fit the mold perfectly and you have ignored the post where I noted what Bretons favored in multiple TES games.

barney2525

Xarcus wrote: »

Ok guys, I won't be long because english is not my native language and I don't know to explain as well as in french, but EN forum has more impact.

BRETONS SHOULD NOT BE 100% MAGICKA

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Actually, Breton is the only race 100% magicka oriented.
Even altmers can have some stamina from the 2nd passive :

• Spell Recharge: Restore 645 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is lower, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.

Lore
As we know, breton are great soldiers. They're living in castles, have guards and army. They looks strong and great fighters with swords and shields.



Bretons came from Direnni Clan (Altmers) copulating with humans slaves. The progeniture got some magicka power and after some centuries, the magic has been diluted and they physically looked like real humans.

Actual BRETON Racial passives

• Opportunist – Increases your Alliance Points gained by 1%. <---- why ???
• Gift of Magnus: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000. <--- ok why not, seems legit from their Direnni ascendance
• Spell Attunement: Gain 2310 Spell Resistance and 100 Magicka Recovery. The Spell Resistance granted by this effect is doubled if you are afflicted with Burning, Chilled, or Concussed. <--- resistance why not about fighting
• Magicka Mastery: Reduces the Magicka cost of your abilities by 7%. <-- this passive is too much regarding the previous passives;

So, we can notice that there is absolutly no offensive aspect, only based on regen, max magicka and lowcost of magicka + some spell resistance.
Actually in ESO, theses passive make them the best magicka healers.

We're agree that it doesnt make them bad fighters.

STAMINA BRETON
Totally underperforming. Sure we can play stamina fighters, or even stamina tanks, but well, some magicka will be useless and at least 1 passive will be useless, depending your gameplay or your build.

As the game pretends we can choose whatever role (DD/TANK/HEAL) with our character, we're still depending about the race and actually, bretons are just incoherent with lore, especially regarding altmer's racial passives !

Please ZENIMAX, Give to stamina bretons some love.

Except a complete character needs all the aspects. Since the Breton has so much emphasis on recovery and magicka, you then can select sets that pump up your offense without needing to worry about your sustain.

The Race does NOT determine the role. The Race gives you the starting point to develop that character into what you want it to be, so you know what you need to add and what you do not need to worry about.

IMHO

madarame_77

To OP, hell, no!

Aliyavana

Netheniel wrote: »

I think a history lesson is in order.



This, ladies and gentlemen, is why Bretons must not stray from the path. Heed the wisdom of our hero.

awesome

Jdray

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

The stamina for altmer is pretty new and not very liked by many. At least not from a lore point of view.

I like it. I run an altmer stam. In terms of lore not all altmer are sorceress what about the justiciars

Juhasow

For the record stamina altmer is as weak for stamina setups as breton. When You'll build for stamina as altmer then his passive will start to restore magicka.

Deathlord92

Juhasow wrote: »

For the record stamina altmer is as weak for stamina setups as breton. When You'll build for stamina as altmer then his passive will start to restore magicka.

Trust me my Breton stamblade is not weak

Vanos444

Oh! Please...
You have OP orcs and redguard passives and now you want Bretons to be OP as well? In the same faction? Lol!

hasi

Please don't. Bretons are fine the way they are. Giving them Stamina Passives, even just one, would turn them into a Mixed-Up Race, that would be only half good at everything and thus for the majority a big "Meh".

Also, I have 4 Bretons. *PANIC*

Ashfen

zvavi wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

You mentionned imperials who are the descendants of the nedics, like Bretons, who are also descendants of the Direnni (Altmers).
Logically they should be like imperials but with some magicka bonus.

Brétons foughts against orcs and redguards to defend their territory. The fight was balanced until they used their intelligence (from Nedics and Direnni) and their magicka knowledges, to finally win.

If they were only magicka based, all their culture would have been based on that. But they believe in the 8, like imperials, + some other like Magnus (magicka), Y'ffre (forest) etc. Soldiers wear heavy armors and use swords and shields.

For me, bretons are the perfect " magisfer " (i dont know the word in english but it's a warrior using sword and spell).
This is how they win battles.

Sources? Cause it looks like fan arts

Oh please, pretend at least to have read what he said, instead of just stupidly trashtalk him and reduce his whole argument to that.

Xarc

lol, people are worried about op breton now
you just said the race is not important.
you all say "bretons are fine as they are", I'd add "for magical builds" yeah sure, they are.

I just feel like magicka bretons are all saying a big "NO" because they dont want to lose a magical passive.
But there is maybe another way to satisfy everybody, as I said. It's not because I want it for me only, but beeing respectful about lore is important.

My stambreton doesnt suck, I am using his magical passives as they are actually, i'm just a stamblade with more magicka it's fine in pvp (not in pve okay). SO, if breton gets stam i will be happy and if not, i wil lcontinue to play with "hybrid" build, no problem don't worry.

Also, it seems that I'm not alone asking changes about race, according to the lore. Bosmers need love too...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/508459/super-excited-for-greymoor-but-wood-elf-decreased-detection-radius-passive-when/p1

So, maybe a solution can be found about all races. There is a nice suggestion here :
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512160/normalize-the-races-let-us-pick-our-racials-rename-them-adventurer-skills/p1

There are many possibilities to play a stam breton without destroy Your magicka breton. I am not calling the end of the world, calm down

idk

Xarcus wrote: »

But there is maybe another way to satisfy everybody, as I said. It's not because I want it for me only, but to be respectful about lore is important.

Umm, no. Your depiction is basically the same as can be said of most races in ESO yet you continue to ignore how the Breton race has been designed for pretty much every TES game Breton's have been playable.

Besides that, you are not negotiating with anyone. You really have nothing to negotiate with as Zos is the ones that make the final choice and they seem pretty intent to stick with the magicka Breton as we have pretty much have had all along.

Edit: Just FYI, that second link, Zos has already closed the door on a similar idea. The original idea Zos had for changing races was only the appearance would change and the passives would stay the same. From their first statement on being able to change race passives that clearly decided to ditch that idea and keep the passives tied to the choice of race and appearance. So that seems to be an extremely unlikely path.

Xarc

Great, I'm not here to negociate anything.
Just here to debate about lore and logical from breton's ascendance and history.

If this debate could drive zenimax to think about the next race system, maybe integrated into the next champion point system, I dont know.
Just saying "NO" or "IT IS NOT POSSIBLE" or "YOU ARE NOT HERE TO NEGOCIATE" or "YOU ARE DANGEROUS YOU WANT TO EAT CHILDREN" ok ok ok guys but it doesnt help this debate.

Please argue

idk

Xarcus wrote: »

Great, I'm not here to negociate anything.
Just here to debate about lore and logical from breton's ascendance and history.

If this debate could drive zenimax to think about the next race system, maybe integrated into the next champion point system, I dont know.
Just saying "NO" or "IT IS NOT POSSIBLE" or "YOU ARE NOT HERE TO NEGOCIATE" or "YOU ARE DANGEROUS YOU WANT TO EAT CHILDREN" ok ok ok guys but it doesnt help this debate.

Please argue

Why would you even make a comment about eating children? That is so sick and sad someone would even be thinking a thought like that.

I have merely stated the very long history of Bretton passives in TES games that Zos seems to be sticking with and how it does not fit with your "lore" and that you tend to talk around that inconvenient fact instead of confronting it.

Edit: I am not arguing. I am just posting the factual history of Breton passives. You choose to ignore that point and make comments about eating children instead.

zvavi

Ashfen wrote: »

Oh please, pretend at least to have read what he said, instead of just stupidly trashtalk him and reduce his whole argument to that.

Funny thing, i did read, want in depth answer?

You mentionned imperials who are the descendants of the nedics, like Bretons, who are also descendants of the Direnni (Altmers).
Logically they should be like imperials but with some magicka bonus.

Wrong, by the book i already gave, https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Bretons:_Mongrels_or_Paragons? "The passionate race of Bretons embodies the strengths of both Men and Mer—as well as their flaws." See, they are not like imperials.

Brétons foughts against orcs and redguards to defend their territory. The fight was balanced until they used their intelligence (from Nedics and Direnni) and their magicka knowledges, to finally win.

Thats a thing i want a source to, because from what i know, orcs were running around highrock pretty freely, until their blood was mixed in with the breton. And the redguards were repelled thanks to their magical talent(which is kinda means they were balanced. after the magic.)

If they were only magicka based, all their culture would have been based on that. But they believe in the 8, like imperials, + some other like Magnus (magicka), Y'ffre (forest) etc. Soldiers wear heavy armors and use swords and shields.

Baseless assumption. It is like saying that muslims shouldn't find Jerusalem holy cause it is Jewish's holy city, and they already have Meka. Religion doesn't work that way. (Nords worship all 9 divines too, including talos, at later times).
And about soldiers wearing heavy armor, some nords wore light armor :rolleyes:

For me, bretons are the perfect " magisfer " (i dont know the word in english but it's a warrior using sword and spell).
This is how they win battles.

That's 100% an opinion until there is a source for that. And the fan arts after that, are fan arts.

Ashfen wrote: »

Oh please, pretend at least to have read what he said, instead of just stupidly trashtalk him and reduce his whole argument to that.

so ye, i have read his "arguments", which are less of an argument, and more of an opinion, he is not using ANY reliable source. More than once i already provided valid arguments, with specific examples, and he just ignored them, shoving his opinions as arguments back. If anything, it looks like you guys are not interested in a proper conversation, since by noting that someone's argument is baseless i am trash talking, i am out of this thread. Tag me when you are ready to have proper debate.

Luke_Flamesword

My main and only character is stamDK Breton DD I think that current passives are ok and lore-friendly because even with only magicka bonuses you can still be a great stamina character. Great but not the best - this make sense that Breton greatest warriors will weaker than greatest orc or nord warriors. Diffrences are not so bad, personaly I don't feel weaker than other stamina players and sometimes I have even highest score in Battlegrounds (I'm not hardcore player, don't bother about perfect rotations or animation cancelling - just play for fun).

I like using my magicka for non-damage skills - additional buffs or healing. I don't have super high DPS, but it's enough and I'm not a glass canon - survavibility is really good. For me it works perfect with my vision of character - guy who should be a mage, but instead is medium-stamina character. He is not best stamina DPS, but using his magic abbilities as leverage he is doing just fine

It's so much funnier and challenging to create a good character that way. We don't want universal races for everything, because it will destroy diversity. We should have opportunity to play different characters with different combinations of weak and strong points.

It's very satysfying to choose harder path, aginst your natural born predispositions and very good for story of your character for example:
"- Hey son, what are you doing with this dagger? You should train your healing magic, because you are Breton and you know what father always tell about your racial passives...
- No, mummy! I will be an assassin and you will be my first target!
- Ghhhjhh..."

Deathlord92

idk wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

But there is maybe another way to satisfy everybody, as I said. It's not because I want it for me only, but to be respectful about lore is important.

Umm, no. Your depiction is basically the same as can be said of most races in ESO yet you continue to ignore how the Breton race has been designed for pretty much every TES game Breton's have been playable.

Besides that, you are not negotiating with anyone. You really have nothing to negotiate with as Zos is the ones that make the final choice and they seem pretty intent to stick with the magicka Breton as we have pretty much have had all along.

Edit: Just FYI, that second link, Zos has already closed the door on a similar idea. The original idea Zos had for changing races was only the appearance would change and the passives would stay the same. From their first statement on being able to change race passives that clearly decided to ditch that idea and keep the passives tied to the choice of race and appearance. So that seems to be an extremely unlikely path.

Did you forget about khajiit because I will never forget I have always known khajiit to be good thieves now they can be good mages to loool this isn’t an unreasonable ask Breton could also have Nordic blood to because of the nord invasion regardless they are part human makes sense to me they have some stamina racial passives especially since it has been stated they are good soldiers as well.

Na0cho

Vanos444 wrote: »

Oh! Please...
You have OP orcs and redguard passives and now you want Bretons to be OP as well? In the same faction? Lol!

Well the best faction should have the best races amirite? 😇

Thevampirenight

Well though they are lore wise very great at magic I can see somewhat of a hybrid mix when it comes to their Gift of Magnus passive here is why. Bretons are great at Magic but they are shown to be great spells swords and swinging swords does require some type of stamina they are not the strongest race when it comes to the heaviest armors but many bretons take up the roles of knights and also wear heavy armor and act as soldiers.
He is right about that but they are very magic focused and changing the gift of magnus might be a little bit of a nerf but they have the other passives that are great for a magic focus and they shouldn't change that because its lore that they are very great when it comes to spell casting and magic focus.
This is Gift of Magnus right now.
Gift of Magnus
Rank I - Unlocked at Breton 5
Increases Max Magicka by 600 As a Hybrid 300 Max Magicka/300 Max Stamina

Rank II - Unlocked at Breton 15
Increases Max Magicka by 1200 As a Hybrid 600 Max Magicka/600 Max Stamina

Rank III - Unlocked at Breton 30
Increases Max Magicka by 2000 As a Hybrid 1200 max Magicka/1200 Max Stamina.
So the idea I can see up to a point because then that would be great for builds and maybe give them a boost of Stamina for use which could still be beneficial.

Khajjit and Dunmer were given a more hybrid focus in the balance changes and Bretons come from heavy mixing between Elves and Men. This is why they are known as Manmer. They are very great at being mages but they still have manish blood in them. So having a mixed attribute would make sense for them. Though still stick to the lore and make them heavily magic focused and not change any of the other passives. So they still excel at being some of the best mages and being one of the best spell caster races besides Altmer which are the best of the best when it comes to Spell Casting should remain. The Bretons main focus should still remain with their spell casting because their unique lore says they are.

A little bit of stamina wouldn't hurt the race and for those that build with a spell sword focus in mind it would be a boon for sure.

Deathlord92

Na0cho wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Oh! Please...
You have OP orcs and redguard passives and now you want Bretons to be OP as well? In the same faction? Lol!

Well the best faction should have the best races amirite? 😇

Exactly

Deathlord92

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well though they are lore wise very great at magic I can see somewhat of a hybrid mix when it comes to their Gift of Magnus passive here is why. Bretons are great at Magic but they are shown to be great spells swords and swinging swords does require some type of stamina they are not the strongest race when it comes to the heaviest armors but many bretons take up the roles of knights and also wear heavy armor and act as soldiers.
He is right about that but they are very magic focused and changing the gift of magnus might be a little bit of a nerf but they have the other passives that are great for a magic focus and they shouldn't change that because its lore that they are very great when it comes to spell casting and magic focus.
This is Gift of Magnus right now.
Gift of Magnus
Rank I - Unlocked at Breton 5
Increases Max Magicka by 600 As a Hybrid 300 Max Magicka/300 Max Stamina

Rank II - Unlocked at Breton 15
Increases Max Magicka by 1200 As a Hybrid 600 Max Magicka/600 Max Stamina

Rank III - Unlocked at Breton 30
Increases Max Magicka by 2000 As a Hybrid 1200 max Magicka/1200 Max Stamina.
So the idea I can see up to a point because then that would be great for builds and maybe give them a boost of Stamina for use which could still be beneficial.

Khajjit and Dunmer were given a more hybrid focus in the balance changes and Bretons come from heavy mixing between Elves and Men. This is why they are known as Manmer. They are very great at being mages but they still have manish blood in them. So having a mixed attribute would make sense for them. Though still stick to the lore and make them heavily magic focused and not change any of the other passives. So they still excel at being some of the best mages and being one of the best spell caster races besides Altmer which are the best of the best when it comes to Spell Casting should remain the Bretons main focus because of its unique lore says they are.

A little bit of stamina wouldn't hurt the race it would go great with their hybrid biology. For those that build with a spell sword focus in mind it would be a boon for sure.

Completely agree

Xarc

I like the way all TES games have racial passives.
I like bretons has magical main racial bonus.

But please stop comparing solo games to MMO games.

Plus, in solo games you maybe have 2 racial passive per race. Here in ESO each race has 4 bonuses. It makes the difference in a game where competition and score could be.
I know a lot of players choosing the race according to the passives and not the lore. That's sad.

As an exemple in TESV skyrim, bretons got 25% spell resistance and a special spell to absorb 50% magicka from spells attacks.
Only 1 passive bonus and 1 active special spell. That's all. And we're in a solo game you can personnalise your character with points later if you want to be the best with a sword you can.

In eso we have 1 racial bonus about something not giving a big advantage, I mean, when argonian swim faster or nords drink less, or bretons gain 1% AP, that makes no difference in combat, you can have the same build, this passive has no impact.
The 2 next passive give a bonus to the stats and the last one gives an important bonus.

There is absolutly no possible comparison between solo TES games and ESO as mmorpg.

Thevampirenight

Xarcus wrote: »

I like the way all TES games have racial passives.
I like bretons has magical main racial bonus.

But please stop comparing solo games to MMO games.

Plus, in solo games you maybe have 2 racial passive per race. Here in ESO each race has 4 bonuses. It makes the difference in a game where competition and score could be.
I know a lot of players choosing the race according to the passives and not the lore. That's sad.

As an exemple in TESV skyrim, bretons got 25% spell resistance and a special spell to absorb 50% magicka from spells attacks.
Only 1 passive bonus and 1 active special spell. That's all. And we're in a solo game you can personnalise your character with points later if you want to be the best with a sword you can.

In eso we have 1 racial bonus about something not giving a big advantage, I mean, when argonian swim faster or nords drink less, or bretons gain 1% AP, that makes no difference in combat, you can have the same build, this passive has no impact.
The 2 next passive give a bonus to the stats and the last one gives an important bonus.

There is absolutly no possible comparison between solo TES games and ESO as mmorpg.

Well I do think many will disagree because people are very passionate about the lore and to them this is more then just an mmo. I do think my suggestion for them just altering the one passive would still keep it more in line with it other then your suggestion. Because I do understand that Breton's do have a heavy culture when it comes to Knights and Soldiers. But their magic has always been a very heavy theme. People are still up in arms with the Bosmer changes they did and there is a big thread just on that was closed sometime back but people are still bitter about it. Giving them a hybrid boost in their Gift of Magnus like this would be better.

As it would not only still fit in with their lore but also go great for Breton Spellswords builds. Its the only passive of the Bretons that could be changed and people might not mind it. The rest is all good and fits with their lore those shouldn't be changed. As Spell casting and magicka regen should be their thing.

Gift of Magnus
Rank I - Unlocked at Breton 5
Increases Max Magicka by 600 As a Hybrid 300 Max Magicka/300 Max Stamina

Rank II - Unlocked at Breton 15
Increases Max Magicka by 1200 As a Hybrid 600 Max Magicka/600 Max Stamina

Rank III - Unlocked at Breton 30
Increases Max Magicka by 2000 As a Hybrid 1200 max Magicka/1200 Max Stamina.

idk

Deathlord92 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

But there is maybe another way to satisfy everybody, as I said. It's not because I want it for me only, but to be respectful about lore is important.

Umm, no. Your depiction is basically the same as can be said of most races in ESO yet you continue to ignore how the Breton race has been designed for pretty much every TES game Breton's have been playable.

Besides that, you are not negotiating with anyone. You really have nothing to negotiate with as Zos is the ones that make the final choice and they seem pretty intent to stick with the magicka Breton as we have pretty much have had all along.

Edit: Just FYI, that second link, Zos has already closed the door on a similar idea. The original idea Zos had for changing races was only the appearance would change and the passives would stay the same. From their first statement on being able to change race passives that clearly decided to ditch that idea and keep the passives tied to the choice of race and appearance. So that seems to be an extremely unlikely path.

Did you forget about khajiit because I will never forget I have always known khajiit to be good thieves now they can be good mages to loool this isn’t an unreasonable ask Breton could also have Nordic blood to because of the nord invasion regardless they are part human makes sense to me they have some stamina racial passives especially since it has been stated they are good soldiers as well.

You do bring up a good point. OP was conveniently ignoring the historic aspects of the race while trying to tout lore which is so ironic.

However, it is clear that Zos attempted to provide multiple choices for each type of build, stamina focus, magicka focus, and even hybrids. It is equally clear they did not intend for all classes to be equally favored for hybrids or good for both stam and magika. Yet that is exactly what OP is asking for but only focuses on the Breton because that is all they really care about. So my earlier statement, that these threads asking for changes to the passives for a specific race are not for lore or even balance, but for someone just wanting a race buffed for their own personal interests.

At that, Zos has said they will not be considering changes to the race passives while implementing and balancing the new combat design. They have made it clear they will be looking for any needs to do minor tweaking after that is completed, whenever that will come to pass.

Kombinator

In every other Elder Scrolls game the Breton was a magic/anti-magic race. Both increased magicka, and resistance to it.

I'm more surprised why Altmer has anything related to Stamina. Altmer was the pure magicka race in the other games as well. In Oblivion they have both extra magicka, and weakness to it. In Skyrim they have a greater power, that increase magicka regen 10 times for a short time. Basically providing infinite magicka.

However in other Elder Scrolls game there are no classes since Morrowind at least. Haven't played the games before that, but i saw somewhere, that Arena had classes.

Which means, that even as a warrior you had ways to use magicka effectively. One easiest example is the paladin style. Use conventional means, and heavy armor to kill your enemies, and use restoration for healing. In Oblivion you were also able to turn magicka into stamina.

In ESO that's not entirely the case. I don't pretend to know all classes, but for two examples. The Templar can put that one restoration skill to quickly recover health. So despite being a Stamina character your magicka is not a full waste. For Nightblade however that's not the case. Unless you equip Resto staff. Efficient self heal requies to sacrifice your invisibility. Even worse, that it's a % health regen. So as stamina NB it is not nearly as efficient as a Templar's heal.

For dungeons/trials however. Yeah those are a bit of a problem. I think, that the easiest solution would be giving worldwide magicka abilities, that helps stam characters in doing damage.

In Oblivion there are spells, that let you convert magicka into stamina. The same spell in ESO as a world spell could greatly reduce this issue. Especially if it works like an over time effect. Like for 10 seconds you convert 500 magicka into 500 stamina each second.